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Para-Gone Tear-Down


By pinster68

6 years ago



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#1 6 years ago

I had this Paragon project up for sale cheap, but got tired of the cretins calling me to nickel and dime me to death. So f-it ... I'm diggin' in ... putting all my other projects aside. Just going for the tear-down and assessment for now. Might not bother putting the pf back in, but might give the pf restoration a try, then wall mount it. Everything else will go into storage until some day when CPR releases a pf, or somebody sells me an NoS.

So here's a few pics. Fun fun fun.

Starting point:
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Top-side begins:
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#2 6 years ago

How much were you selling it for, must have missed the ad.

That would have looked cool next to my lost world!

#3 6 years ago

Rotisserie Schmisserie... once the top is clear and lower lugs removed there's little reason to flip it over constantly. On to a nice set of horses it goes:
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Harness removed:
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More stuff removed:
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#4 6 years ago
Quoted from Prmailers:

How much were you selling it for, must have missed the ad.
That would have looked cool next to my lost world!

$300.

#5 6 years ago

Yeah, I'm on the lookout for a NOS Paragon playfield also. I hear rumors from CPR that they are several years out on the reproduction, if it gets done at all.

#6 6 years ago

All the mechs, switches and do-dads are out. Now on to the light sockets and common ground wire removal. Hakko 808 is on the job!
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The wiring harness awaits a sexy bath in Scrubbing Bubbles then Bleche White.
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Total time in so far ... maybe 2 hours.

#7 6 years ago

All done topside...
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And down under...
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#8 6 years ago

Nice, I gotta paint my CPR Centaur on the back.
What color of grey did you use?

#9 6 years ago

And by the way, join the Paragon club meng.

#10 6 years ago
Quoted from schwarz:

And by the way, join the Paragon club meng.

Didn't know there was one... Will do.

#11 6 years ago

Damn, would have ya know. 300 plus shipping....might have been worth it. Oh well, best on this.

#12 6 years ago

Too late with the Paragon club I guess.

#13 6 years ago

Yeah, that was cheap. I sent you a email just as you must have been taking it down. I wasn't even thinking of haggling. That would have been a gift, and I was going to be two towns over next week.

#14 6 years ago

And it's so much nicer than your description.

#15 6 years ago
Quoted from albummydavis:

And it's so much nicer than your description.

Trust me, the restoration will add up. Still a good deal, but it needed an MPU (repair or replace), 3 displays, a backglass (that one in the pic is, upon close inspection, toast), playfield and cabinet restoration. I had already purchased a CPR backglass, and a stencil kit ($350 for those alone). If I can nail the playfield restoration myself maybe I'll clearcoat and reassemble. I really like original playfields. Eh, we'll see. Time to read Vid's Ultimate Playfield Restoration Guide again.

#16 6 years ago

And there you have it, stripped to the bone. Ready for resto.

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#17 6 years ago
Quoted from pinster68:

Now on to the light sockets and common ground wire removal.

I've always wanted to say something when I've read this kind of description - as I have seen it all the time, for many many years. So not singling you out...

The bare wire on the backside of the playfield isn't a "ground wire" (???) Am I wrong? It's the positive voltage line (hot) isn't it ? The driver board pulls the bulbs to ground. Maybe I've worked on too many Gottliebs...

The big bare wire in the CABINET is ground ("ground braid") which I think is what confuses people. I'd just hate to think of the damage or errors if people start thinking the bare wire on the playfield is ground, if they start modding or "bulletproofing" the wiring. They're gonna cook something if this becomes standard nomenclature. It's like 99% of the time, people call that wire going to all the bulbs the "ground braid". Maybe it's ME that's going to cook something.

KEVIN

#18 6 years ago

Nah, probably right. I've heard it referred to as the ground and just stated the same. Either way I gave up using the Hakko and just pulled it all out. There'll be new sockets and wire run when the time comes.

Hmm ... so any long term thought on when the repro pf will come out Kevin? I'm in for two when that time comes.

#19 6 years ago

Without getting too complicated, Paragon involves a few steps. First of all, our plan is to do it via partnership with IPB as the licensor (not PPS). Not because we're ever leaving the PPS family, but because we work with everybody. We're neutral, like Switzerland That said, the reasoning behind this is because Gene Cunningham has offered up the future usage of the original Bally films for Paragon. This means 500+ hours of redrawing can be avoided, because that playfield is a BEAR.

But *before* we can move onto Paragon, we must "pass the test" with Gene, on TOTAN. TOTAN will be our first playfield partnered/licensed thru IPB since our debut Fathoms and Centaurs in 2004/2005. This comes from a deal where IPB/Gene "rescued" the TOTAN project because those (6) extinct inserts that were holding off the project for years - Gene owned and (unknowingly) had the one-of-a-kind tooling stored at an injection molding company in Chicago. Gene had all the inserts molded for us, and had them shipped up here - on the contingency that we license the TOTAN playfields thru IPB. WITH the open-ended offer that if we "pass the test" on TOTAN, Gene is willing to offer up free artwork loans from ANY of his archives, as long as we license the project thru IPB. So it's not just about the future of Paragon. We're also interested in other film sets we know he has.

On top of ALL of this, we need widebody gameboard blanks made. We need new equipment and tooling that can accomodate the width (Flight 2000 was at our max (24" wide)) of everything we own. Right down to our rolling racks that hold playfields.

So to summate: TOTAN finished, shipped, IPB paid... only then can Paragon be explored, and totally rests on IPB providing those films. So to anybody - if you see Gene at shows, etc... please encourage Kim/Gene to make sure they provide CPR those films after we settle up on TOTAN.

So when is TOTAN done? We wanted it done by the end of the year. But it looks like, with the huge numbers required, it will be more like April/May 2014 before the batch is done. So we shall see. It's the biggest number of preorders in our history...more than we get on (3) typical preorders on any typical classic playfield title we have done before.

KEVIN

#20 6 years ago

Thanks for the education Kevin. I'm patient. Paragon is certainly a game worth the effort.

#21 6 years ago

Thanks for the update Kevin. Makes my decision on whether or not to restore my playfield a little harder. Sounds like if and when it happens it would likely be 2-3 years from now before delivery, optimistically. I wish the Bally factory didn't misalign the inserts on mine so badly. I guess I'm going to just have to get both - resto and repro!

#22 6 years ago
Quoted from KevinCPR:

So to summate: TOTAN finished, shipped, IPB paid... only then can Paragon be explored, and totally rests on IPB providing those films. So to anybody - if you see Gene at shows, etc... please encourage Kim/Gene to make sure they provide CPR those films after we settle up on TOTAN.

I don't suppose there's any chance he's got the Future Spa films.......

#23 6 years ago
Quoted from KevinCPR:

Without getting too complicated,...

THANKS for the update. I'll be preordering one for sure once they're announced.

#24 6 years ago
Quoted from Frax:

I don't suppose there's any chance he's got the Future Spa films.......

That's another pin on my want list and would certainly have CPR repro interest. It's such a great playing pin, albeit with a cheesy 80's theme ... But perhaps that's what makes it so great.

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#25 6 years ago

Bingo ... NoS playfield purchased. New life breathed into this project. Granted I'll probably send it out for a proper resto/clearcoat.

1 year later
#26 5 years ago

I have a Paragon playfield that I purchased NOS POPULATED from CA Robinson probably about 30 years ago. Well, I foolishly dropped it into my Paragon 6 months after that, and played it for ~6 months unprotected. OK, ok, I know...fast forward 30 years. I picked the game up from my dad's garage where it had been safe from the worst of the elements-but the sun had its way with the paint job. Long story short, I finally got time this past summer and I shopped out the playfield (really, the old rubbers didn't look DIRTY, just shot from sitting for far too long...)

The inserts are indeed cupped just as everybody has said. Obviously I won't be playing it until the PF can be protected. Anyway, I just pulled the trigger and bought a PF overlay from bestofpinball.de - it worked out to $177 and change with shipping included. So now I will wait. Here's the PF as it sits now:
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Yes, I know I am going to have to strip everything off to put down the overlay. But I couldn't stand looking at the beautiful playfield with all the old ugly rotted rubbers on there.

BTW: Yes, I still have the original (semi-trashed) playfield. I also picked up 25 or so years ago a second Paragon for parts-paid a whopping 50 or 75 bucks-can't remember which-but the machine was complete-just goofed up from the worst rewiring hack job you have ever seen in your life. Pictures of that to come soon!

Just thought I'd chime in on this old thread only because of the talk of the makrolon overlay. I am quite anxious to see how it measures up-literally and figuratively.

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