i like it
All of these tourneys people reference with this format or that format and papa should try this or that bcuz "X" show does it makes no sense. Papa and pinburgh pay out more than any tournament. They also get more players than any other tournament. They set the bar, thet introduce things like giant tvs next to machines showing playfields, live papa tv, and many other tourney inovations. If they modeled after smaller events with way smaller payouts, you realize attendance would drop heavily and few if any foreign players would attend. Big payouts draw the most players. Players cant expect big payouts if players arent paying into the pot. Tell wpt to let players pay 5 bucks to enter and see what happens to the event and the payouts lol. And the deep pockets thing? What the heck is the difference between old format and new. Both fornats you can play as much as you want. Both formats you will have some sort of lines so u cant just play over and over till your pockets are empty. The only difference between old papa format and new format, is when I play 5 games, ibcan choose to play the same game more than once within that 5 game time. It will still take the same amount of time to play, same people in line to wait to play.
i was referring to they have vertical large lcds mounted 2 stacked high on mounting apparatus next to each game in the A bank.
also side cameras and other cameras with multiple views and software showing online and a live pro broadcast.
ive seen projectors projecting an image long ago as well. mpe did it the 2nd year of their show showing the entire pf. the screen was like a story tall. lol
papa is also not a show, its just an event. many forget that. at a SHOW that has a pinball tourney within, you will already have many patrons their frequenting the show, so tourneys at shows can be more lenient as far as payouts and other details.
Papa is a tournament only, in order to draw large number of players from all over, you need high payouts. if they let u play only twice and it was free or 10 bucks a person total or any other format that limited the pot growth, the event would cease to exist to anyone outside of the local area because people would not travel that far and stay that long to play for peanuts when you can do that right in your own backyard.
people need to decide. if you want to play for high stakes, players need build the pot.
if you want to play in charity events, or for free leagues or events with no payouts, etc, that is fine to.
that can be done on a local basis, or at shows that have an event within so players are already there anyways so no added travel expenses for the tourney.
Those people only in it for free or to play with their local pals don't travel to papa as it is.
Papas C division pays out more than most MAIN divisions at any given tourney anywhere else.
any current show that has little or no payouts, but still has nice tourney attendance, if you took the show out of the equation and just had the tourneys as they are, the number of players would drop greatly.
Quoted from goatdan:
Actually, I believe we were the first to do the TV thing at one of our Midwest Gaming Classic
PAPA does what any good organization does - they look around and incorporate and improve on what others did. We projected on a projector a couple of the finals games, but it was crazy last minute and didn't work so well for us. The format moved to other places where it works much better. We looked at improving ours, but we don't have 1 / 10th the funding that a place like PAPA does, so we had to drop the idea.
It's completely conceivable that they didn't see the screen thing because of us too. But it isn't like they have a monopoly on all tournament innovations. I still think the biggest of those was the return of the IFPA, which wasn't their thing at all.
Goat dan im saying just the opposite. What im saying is, your show has many people that go regardless of your tournament. So having a tourney is icing on the cake and you will get people playing in tourney regardless if no payouts. Im also saying papa is just a tourney, not a show. If papa had a free tourney no payouts or very small payouts the attendance would be minimal. Its not a show, so people would not be there for a show and trickle to a tourney bcuz they are already there. Hope I made sense this time. Some people were suggesting to have papa like other rvents that have little pay in etc etc etc. What im stating, is that only works AT A SHOW or local event because people go regardless of tourney format, payouts, prizes, etc. Papa isnt a show, so payouts matter. It has to be on a big scale.
well it certainly changes the game now that games are all on free play (and awesome vids too) and its only $20 to enter a day with long open to close hours.
with all of those games there, that's more than most shows so i guess its a super show and super tourney?
best of both worlds!
Quoted from ninjadoug:
We will have over 400 non-tournament games available and set to free play this year for any attendees. While not a 'show' in the sense that we have vendors and games for sale, our attendance from non-competitive players way outnumbers the total of serious competitive players.
There aren't too many shows where you pay $20 to get in and have access to 400 pins on free play
Quoted from InfiniteLives:
People keep missing the big difference with the 5 ticket system which created a sense of urgency to do well on 5 games on a single ticket.
its not a sense of urgency for me, its getting exhausted and out of rhythm having to play a game, sit down in line, play another game, sit down in line, all to complete 1 TICKET across 5 games.
us older guys have issues with that...lol.
you also didn't have to do well on 5 games, that is a misconception. I did superb on 2 games (#1 score, #2 score), medium on 1 game, and horrible on the last 2 (both got zeros).
still qualified in top 10.
also, with herb style, you can play an hour before qualifying is done and know you don't have to play all 5 games again and be in rush mode in an hour like before. maybe you just need 1 game.
that style to me was nothing but nerve racking. glad they changed it.
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