Turns out tiltforums is about more than just bitching about pinside!

Pretty sweet shitstorm going down about the new PAPA 20 rules. No longer about a 5 game ticket, now it's best game pump n dump. A lot of the old schoolers are melting down over it.

I thought it was cool before but I'm sure this new system will be fun too. Certainly less stressful. Seems "easier." In the end I bet it will have a bit of an effect on who gets in.

I'm guessing because of the already insane lines at Classic, coupled with the pump n dump format, adding more games was prudent.

MGC doesn't have almost all of the best players in the world vying for the world championships, and it doesn't have near the prize or WPPR pool.

I'm sure it's a nice event but folks shouldn't pretend there's a chance people will defect from PAPA to attend it.

You wouldn't have qualified before, you won't qualify now.

The real question is, why do you care, and why do you think this is some kind of paradigm shift when in your case, you admit it won't likely change the results?

In the end, not much will change. The same players with deep pockets will STILL have deep pockets and spend as much as they can to try to get in (just like PAPA 19), and many will still fail in finals in "spectacular fashion" (just like every tournament).

The whole "deep wallets" thing....between A entries at $25 a pop, and classics at $15 a pop (unless that goes up?) I was prepared to spend $300-400 on qualifying this PAPA. I don't see how that is going to change, at all.

The only people who are likely gonna end up spending more money are the very top echelon of players, guys who used to get in and high seed on one ticket. And I think they can probably spare the cabbage, what with their sack full of pinball winnings!

The top guys got in on just a handful of tickets last year.

You really think they'll suddenly have to dump $500 just to scrape by the same people they beat every year?

Maybe they'll have to spend a little more to assure their high seeding. And you know what, that's absolutely fine. The "deep pocket" borderline players you keep talking about have ALWAYS subsidized the prize pool for the guys who get in on one ticket. I don't see why it's a bad thing that even the top players will have incentive to contribute more into the pool of money they are going to be favored to win anyway.

And if you really think that some of the top guys can't afford to spend $100-200 instead of $25-50....well, let's face it, if money is that tight they should probably reorder their priorities beyond competitive pinball.

D division?

Come on dude. If you have a pulse you should be able to qualify and it's not gonna cost you a car payment.

But hey, by all means just don't show up. That'll probably increase your chances of qualifying, while saving you money!