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PAPA 17 >> what a blast

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9 years ago


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    #304 9 years ago

    I have a question/statement issue with the IFPA points awarded to only the A division. I tried to pose this issue to some of the PAPA people I spoke with and I believe some thought I was having a sour grapes issue. (I got caught in the "you can't switch after noon on Saturday" rule) Not knowing the rule was on me and I don't have a problem with it and understand why the rule was implimented (someone did take the time to explain the craziness in the past of people switching at the last minute). I think the problem occurs with the IFPA points being awarded to only the A division because it is an open tournament. B and C don't get points due to the restrictions of competitors that can play in those divisions making them closed tournaments. However, once noon on Saturday rolls around the A division becomes a closed tournament excluding some of the best competitive players. A person who hasn't competed yet could still walk in the door and compete but player #999 who just played in B div can not. Does this not cause an conundrum?

    No I'm not saying points should be taken away from A div players or given to B and C div players from this year. I just thought it was worth a discussion for future reference of both PAPA and IFPA. If I'm way off base here tell me where my flaw in reasoning is. It is just something that made me go "hmmm?" when I realized it.

    #318 9 years ago
    Quoted from ifpapinball:

    Like most have said, anyone that was at PAPA playing for 2 days had plenty of time to compete in the A division if they wanted to make the move. There was no restriction for your inability to move to A based on skill, age, gender . . . you simply didn't follow the written rules of the tournament that included the time availability to change divisions.
    Many of the 'open' rules of a tournament can be nitpicked to death.
    Pinburgh isn't really an open tournament if it's capped at 700 players. If the 701st player wants to play and aren't allowed to . . . is it really an event open to anyone that wants to play?
    In the future if you want to join those that migrate to PAPA A as late as possible for the WPPR grab, just make sure you follow the rules of the tournament as to when that option is still available. The fact the PAPA staff allows people to make that switch at all after declaring a division is an extremely nice opportunity for those that really think they chose an inappropriate division. There's nothing that the time cutoff does that would make the IFPA not endorse this tournament.

    Thanks Josh,

    I see that it is open. When I realized at the event that it had been closed off to all who where there at a certain point in time it seemed closed to me which I thought caused an issue I wanted to address with you. It had nothing to do with me wanting points like a few people alluded to. I was just worried about the integrity of the system going forward if it was deemed that the rules made it a closed tournament. I probably shouldn't have even put the fact that I got caught in the time rule as it really had no impact on the question i was possing but I like to explain things too much. I was newbie to PAPA this year and have never seen or played in a tournament like it. It is so unique and quite challenging and I loved every minute of it. Thanks again for addressing my concern.

    #323 9 years ago
    Quoted from Snailman:

    More importantly than "play in the division you should be playing in," the non-issue here is: each player has a choice to play in the highest division. Every single player that CHOSE to play in B or C had the option to play in A when they CHOSE their division. PAPA is nice enough, and has sophisticated systems that even allow a player to change their mind 2+ days into a 3-day qualifying period to play in a higher division.
    Your statement that A becomes a closed tournament excluding some of the best competitive players is a complete fallacy. Each and every hypothetical player #999 that played in B had an equal opportunity/choice to play in the top division.

    Thanks Collin. It makes perfect sense now. I was just preoccupied with the closing part and not looking at the whole thing. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't an issue that needed to be addressed.

    Quoted from TaylorVA:

    Just play in the division you should be playing in. If you want A points than play in A. Good god people.

    That's constructive and helpful how?

    #330 9 years ago
    Quoted from TaylorVA:

    Can you go from A to b or c?

    No. Moving downward with out a ruling from PAPA is not allowed.

    #331 9 years ago
    Quoted from TaylorVA:

    If I helped one person by pointing out the obvious I feel like I did my part.

    Well your statement in general is kind of true and I agree with it for the most part. I just didn't see the relevance to my post at all. When followed by the exclamation at the end of it it seemed as if you were implying that I was "less than smart".

    FWIW I would have no problem with PAPA making it where no one can switch once the decission is made to play a division. It would really make people choose more carefully and eliminate a lot of problems.

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