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Owned my first modern Stern for a week, questions and observations...


By DakotaMike

17 days ago



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#1 17 days ago

I've only owned System 7, 11, and WPC games until last week, when I purchased a barely used Star Wars Comic Edition Pro. For background, it has a Sept 2019 manufacture date, but wasn't unboxed until Mar 2020. Had less than 350 plays on it when I bought it.

So first the questions:

1) What sort of interior cabinet corners do the current Sterns have? Mine has these heavily reinforced leg-bolt holders. Are these standard, or were they added after the fact?

2) Why do the leg bolts have washers on them? None of my other pins have had washers on the leg bolts. Are they necessary?

3) I moved the inlane posts to their narrowest position (None of us are great players yet). For the right-hand post, after unscrewing the nylon nut from the bottom, I had to manually loosen the post by hand to remove it. The post was so tight that I had to use a pliers and loosen it, and it tooks ages to loosen and re-tighten in it's new position. It went even slower because I had to be really careful not to bump the plastics or playfield, so it was quarter-turn by quarter-turn. Is there a better way to loosen/remove these types of pf posts? Is there a special tool? Or is a pliers and patience all we've got.

Next, the observations:

1) This pin is A LOT lighter than my other games. I actually consider this a good thing because it's much easier to transport and move around within my house.

2) The cabinet and head seem much more fragile than my old Williams games. It seems like it takes almost nothing at all to chip away at the edges of either. It seems like it would be a lot easier to damage this cab than the old Williams cabs.

3) The pf mounting system seems cheaper and more clunky than my WPC games. Once I've fully raised the PF vertically, it's a bit of a pain to get it to slide all the way back after I've lowered it back down.

4) The flippers feel really good, and I like that Stern is still using leaf-switches. Makes it much easier to fine-tune and adjust the flipper buttons to my liking than with opto-flippers.

5) Are the power-supply fans really this loud on all current Sterns? It's ridiculous. I've ordered Pinball Monk's quiet fan and will be installing soon.

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#2 17 days ago

You can get a deep 1/4" nut driver to remove those posts easily

Never seen washers like that on the leg bolts before

#3 17 days ago

Some guys put nylon washers on to protect the leg from the bolt. Hilarious.

#4 17 days ago

My tmnt came with washers, assume they’re intended to prevent chipping the leg paint

#5 17 days ago

My Stranger things and Jurassic park have washers on the leg bolts.

#6 17 days ago

Elvira came with the washers too

#7 17 days ago
Quoted from DakotaMike:

5) Are the power-supply fans really this loud on all current Sterns? It's ridiculous. I've ordered Pinball Monk's quiet fan and will be installing soon.

Yes, they are crazy loud. Vireland makes a silent fan mod that is pretty easy to install.

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/shops/1170-pin-monk/02140-500w-spike-quiet-fan-plug-n-play-kit

#8 17 days ago
Quoted from DakotaMike:

Why do the leg bolts have washers on them? None of my other pins have had washers on the leg bolts. Are they necessary?

To prevent the bolts from chipping off the paint on the legs. I've seen that damage first-hand and would prefer to avoid it if possible. As mentioned above, there are nylon washers available. I use those.

Quoted from DakotaMike:

1) This pin is A LOT lighter than my other games. I actually consider this a good thing because it's much easier to transport and move around within my house.

Yep, be careful about setting it down too quickly from a hand truck...I set one down too quickly and the momentum almost tipped it over before I caught it.

Quoted from DakotaMike:

Is there a special tool?

A deep socket set. Those will fit over the post and reach the nut at the base.

Pliers are not the right way to handle those posts. You will just end up scratching and chewing them up. Not to mention, a slip could damage the playfield.

Quoted from DakotaMike:

The pf mounting system seems cheaper and more clunky than my WPC games. Once I've fully raised the PF vertically, it's a bit of a pain to get it to slide all the way back after I've lowered it back down.

Yup, common complaint.

#9 17 days ago

So first the questions:
1) What sort of interior cabinet corners do the current Sterns have? Mine has these heavily reinforced leg-bolt holders. Are these standard, or were they added after the fact?

Yes I think this is now the standard. A few games ago they were having issues with splitting cabinets so I'm glad they are back to this practice.

2) Why do the leg bolts have washers on them? None of my other pins have had washers on the leg bolts. Are they necessary?

It is obviously your preference if you want to use them. I thought it was odd that Stranger Things had them so it must be standard to avoid scratching/chipping.

3) I moved the inlane posts to their narrowest position (None of us are great players yet). For the right-hand post, after unscrewing the nylon nut from the bottom, I had to manually loosen the post by hand to remove it. The post was so tight that I had to use a pliers and loosen it, and it tooks ages to loosen and re-tighten in it's new position. It went even slower because I had to be really careful not to bump the plastics or playfield, so it was quarter-turn by quarter-turn. Is there a better way to loosen/remove these types of pf posts? Is there a special tool? Or is a pliers and patience all we've got.

Yeah a deep socket is your friend here. I moved the posts on Stranger Things and had the same battle until I moved the ramp and used a socket. The hole in the wood is tight and you will have to tread them in and out.

Next, the observations:
1) This pin is A LOT lighter than my other games. I actually consider this a good thing because it's much easier to transport and move around within my house.

Yup. The older games were built like tanks. You can definitely notice when you nudge them.

2) The cabinet and head seem much more fragile than my old Williams games. It seems like it takes almost nothing at all to chip away at the edges of either. It seems like it would be a lot easier to damage this cab than the old Williams cabs.

Sad but true.

3) The pf mounting system seems cheaper and more clunky than my WPC games. Once I've fully raised the PF vertically, it's a bit of a pain to get it to slide all the way back after I've lowered it back down.

Sad but true. The locking system the older games had that keep you from sliding the games off the rail is missed.

4) The flippers feel really good, and I like that Stern is still using leaf-switches. Makes it much easier to fine-tune and adjust the flipper buttons to my liking than with opto-flippers.

Agreed!

5) Are the power-supply fans really this loud on all current Sterns? It's ridiculous. I've ordered Pinball Monk's quiet fan and will be installing soon.

Sad but true. I did one of Monk's replacement fans in my TNA and it made a huge difference. I will be buying one for TMNT.

#10 17 days ago

Congrats on your first Stern. Star Wars is a fantastic game. It's strength is in it's rules.

The fan is very loud in my GOT and almost as loud in my JJPOTC but it has never really bothered me.

#11 17 days ago

If you put 25-40 pnds inside the cab, it will feel more like a normal pin. Otherwise, you get wobbling nudges. Did this on my IMDN and it was a great improvement.

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#12 17 days ago
Quoted from Tranquilize:

If you put 25-40 pnds inside the cab, it will feel more like a normal pin. Otherwise, you get wobbling nudges. Did this on my IMDN and it was a great improvement.
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Haha that's great!!
Did that with an old camaro I drove
in high school when it snowed!
Never seen that trick on here.
Well done.

#13 17 days ago

Appreciate all the answers and advice! I learn a lot with every new pin that I own.

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#14 17 days ago

Welcome to the cheap ass stern pinball machines !

#15 17 days ago
Quoted from joelbob:

Yeah a deep socket is your friend here. I moved the posts on Stranger Things and had the same battle until I moved the ramp and used a socket. The hole in the wood is tight and you will have to tread them in and out.

Quoted from ForceFlow:

A deep socket set. Those will fit over the post and reach the nut at the base.

Any recommendations for a deep socket set? I keep finding my nut drivers sometimes don't do the trick entirely.

#16 17 days ago
Quoted from wesman:

Any recommendations for a deep socket set? I keep finding my nut drivers sometimes don't do the trick entirely.

I have a deep socket set but can't think of any recent experience where my hollow shaft nut drivers didn't do the job. What kind of nut drivers do you have?
The Klein and Hilmore seem to be the most popular.

#17 17 days ago
Quoted from wesman:

Any recommendations for a deep socket set? I keep finding my nut drivers sometimes don't do the trick entirely.

Gear wrench makes a socket set and ratchet that has a hole all the way through it . The extensions are even hallow . The whole set is around $70 . Comes with ratchet some standard and metric sockets and two extensions

#18 17 days ago

Here’s the set for $53.89 . Comes with an adapter to make the ratchet into a normal 1/4 drive ratchet also.

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#20 17 days ago
Quoted from DakotaMike:

1) What sort of interior cabinet corners do the current Sterns have? Mine has these heavily reinforced leg-bolt holders. Are these standard, or were they added after the fact?

After the cabinet splitting gate, I think most sterns have these leg brackets or some other type of reinforcements.

Quoted from DakotaMike:

2) Why do the leg bolts have washers on them? None of my other pins have had washers on the leg bolts. Are they necessary?

To protect the powder coat. Not necessary if you only plan to take the legs on and off a couple times. But if you plan to do it a lot, they protect the powder coat from chipping under the bolts.

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