Is someone able to clarify pls on the EM gun games how technically does the gun trigger press convert to target hit & scoring. Just interested to know-thks. This is a great & interesting thread which makes you want to have one!!
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Quoted from DallasPinball:Wayner, here is a basic description on how EM gun games work.
The way EM gun games know where you are aiming is actually pretty simple. When you move the rifle or gun the post it is mounted on swivels and translates the motion to a stylus that makes contact with a circuit board that has pads that are wired to the corresponding target. Each moving target has a wiper that moves across a circuit board that divides the horizontal area into about a dozen or so target zones. Pop up targets have a switch that opens and closes depending on if it is in position to be hit. When you pull the trigger you are basically trying to complete the circuit through all of the corresponding switches and wiper pads to register as a hit.
Here are photos of the stylus board and the game opened up for service so you can get an idea on how it all fits together.-- Shawn
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Quoted from Heatherly:Just added this one to my collection;
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That looks like a great Grandma fortune teller machine you have there also-congrats.
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Now this is a machine I would like to own! My grandson is into excavators, graders, rollers and cranes and he would be mesmerised by this one as I would be.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281482336259?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Quoted from AlexF:That exact machine was listed fairly locally on Craigslist not long ago for $1000. I was thinking about it.
That would have been a great buy AlexF. Any idea the weight of this machine-shipping??? (I could not find a ref) 
Quoted from AlexF:Not sure on that. Sometimes they list the weight on the flyer but I don't see anything on this one.
Edit: This says approximately 200 lbs.
http://www.uship.com/shipment/1956-williams-crane-game/509101839/
I'm not sure how accurate that estimate is but seems about right.
Thks AlexF that's great info. I note Chicago Coin also produced an almost identical game called Steam Crane but it had 2 control levers rather than 4 buttons and it also had graduated skill accomplishment levels for the weight of the lentil beans deposited in the hopper. The machine in your link looks in pristine condition.
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Quoted from Heatherly:» YouTube video
Just finished this one a couple of months ago.
Just a beautiful restoration Heatherly 
Quoted from peclark:I've loved these ever since I played them as a kid at the skating rink, and have missed them when the video games started to replace them.
I just finished this Flying Saucer last fall.Speedway driving game.
And Sea Raider.
Your games look absolutely superb peclark-congrats.
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Quoted from EM-PINMAN:Just bought this bad boy.
As they say "Loose lips sink ships".
The arcade collection is shaping up. Just need a Ball Bowler down the road and I am set.
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Looks great Ken. Is the machine operational?
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I recently acquired from Ed Smith a new with original parts ABT 1940 Challenger shooter game. Not an EM but certainly an M!!
I was provided with a pic of an original stand made by Johnny Frantz in 1940 (only 100 made) and was anxious to fabricate a replica.
Firstly I fabricated a bender from scrap metal & a car jack to form the lower legs then fabricated the stand as close as possible to the original with the addition of removable castors.
The result provides quite a functional stand with a sense of history.
Quoted from DirtFlipper:Very nice! Ed's a great help for this type of stuff too.
Yes DF I am amazed at the involvement in & sense of history Ed has in the coin-op area having purchased the Johnny Frantz assets following his murder. Ed goes to great lengths in his correspondence to convey this history which I find tremendously fascinating.
Sorry Alex for some reason I cannot locate the email Ed sent me explaining the background & aftermath of the murder. I will try & get a copy from Ed.
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Quoted from jodini:Finally got this video of my Chicago Coin Champion Rifle Range on youtube!
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Wow what a fascinating machine Joe. Thks for great vid.
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Ed Smith is your man. He is part of the Village Ville website under Penny Arcade http://www.esnarf.com/pa.htm (click on the relevant aisle) & email [email protected] These guns can be quite complex to get working 100% but Ed is an expert and has the parts or complete guns.
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Finally got around to installing a periscope sighting rod on my Midway Sea Raider (seems missing/broken on many machines) which I obtained from John Robertson of flippers.com (the only known source of supply of this part). The rod comes blank so the sighting notches (which are illuminated from the upper light source) need to be made. I found using the finest wheel on a Dremel was most effective. Overall this is a tedious task getting access by removal of the wide mirror and removing and installing the rod to the light source bracket.
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Quoted from gliebig:I'm looking at getting my first ball bowler. Are the em ones easier to work on than the solid state ones? Any pros/cons on either?
What would be a fair price on this?[quoted image]
I have not had experience with the solid state bowlers but last year I completed a full resto of a United 1962 Tropics 16ft ball bowler.
I have to say it was my most enjoyable EM resto. Lots of work and time consuming but so satisfying to see these EM design and engineering masterpieces spring into life. Importantly Chris of St Louis Ball Bowlers is able to provide masterful advice and parts and Mopar on Pinside offers incredible advice on bowlers. If you go the EM route you will ,not be disappointed and nor will your visitors.
Quoted from gliebig:What do you think of the one in the pic I posted?
That seems to be a 1957 Chicago Coin ball bowler and looks in nice condition. I am not sure the dimension of game functions on that machine. Suggest you give Chris a call or post a pm to Mopar for more definitive advice. What price is on the machine.
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Purchased a CC Coney Island shooting machine last September but lots of delays pick up, delivery to Long Beach and then caught up in shipping delays out of Long Beach but happy to have finally collected from Port of Sydney.
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Purchased as working but need to explore some hacks and replace power cord prior to initial test. Gun was removed for shipping. Cabinet has lots of gouges and chips not all that noticeable in pics so will repaint cab as part of an overall resto. Backglass has a bit of flaking but is good enough. First task was to put castors on this beast.
In the process of restoring a Chicago Coin Coney Island gun machine. I am having difficulty getting a consistent relationship between the aim,trigger shot and target hit. It seems not a question of shoot accuracy but just that something is not syncing between the shot and the target hit. This makes it very difficult to tune the accuracy through adjustment of the rifle stylus to wiper board. I have the schematics - has anyone experienced this issue? Thanks Wayne
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:Hey Wayne,
I thought CC gun games had a special alignment tool for sighting the targets that came with each game? Did they ever make a manual for that game? If so they will tell you how to sight in the targets, my William's Phantom Gun did. PBR has some gun game manuals, but John Robertson of flippers.com has a lot of them. I never had a CC gun game so my knowledge is limited, sorry.
Nice to hear from you Ken thks. I have a copy of the manual which is referred to as a Parts Catalogue.
No mention of any special tool other than eyes and hands. I understand that advice is ideally a two person task. One person aims the gun at a predetermined target the other adjusts the stylus adjustment arm by loosening x2 allen bolts until the target is 'hit' then retighten bolts. I have managed to get two targets ok but the rest problematic. I guess there is some 'hit and miss' (excuse the pun) on this adjustment but I will continue to persevere. There does not appear to be much repair info on gun games.
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I am in the process of restoring a Chicago Coin 1976 Coney Island Rifle machine. I am conscious that some manufacturers provided a tool to assist in aligning the rifle aim to the stylus to rivet adjustment for gaining hit accuracy. These were not provided for Coney Island.
I am conscious that some have simply used various blocks/wedges to secure the aim but I wanted something more secure and accurate.
So from timber and metal scraps I decided to fabricate such a tool. It is secured to the cabinet behind the backglass by x2 screws and provides horizontal and vertical rifle adjustment. The tool is secured to the rifle by a modified electrical saddle dipped in plasti-dip to prevent any scratching. The adjustment is through 1in x 1/4in bolts and wing nuts. Tool seems to work fairly well.
I have also ordered a rear sight to assist aim consistency.
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Quoted from Swanee:Cheers. I added a few extras to this game. Of course all reversible if one wants to restore to factory. Background sound track, vibrating control stick when firing, head-up-display and a few other things. Thinking about adapting a sky scrolling unit out of a Sonic Fighter to give the effect of flying through the clouds. Optics are a challenge. This game has a serious bit of hardware in it. The airplanes carriage unit is awesome. Their is a two way mirror that combines the planes images together and reflects this up to another two way mirror that permits the red flash produce by a huge spot lamp to flood the screen when you strike a hit. And I've replaced the band aid (not factory ) with a better more appropriate tape. Link to my youtube Flying Tiger. [quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]
Great vid thks. Do you have a pic of the mech which controls the red/enemy plane pls? Thks Wayne
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Quoted from Mopar:That may be true for certain machines, but as long as the mechanics, mirrors, ect.
are stable, the Long Range can be set on it's back.
I'm in a small town between Syracuse and Rochester. If you do happen to come
up this way, I sometime like making trades if you happen to have any trading pieces.
I went through the machine, and when I stored it, it was playing fine..
Although it's thinner than some of the larger gun games, it's double mirrored which
make the targets seem much further away.
Here's a Long Range Bulls Eye I found on utube which plays exactly the same..
The animations of the guys coming down with the hammers is really neat!
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Quoted from izzy:Need a part for a CC Coney Island gun game. Looking for a cam for the Pogo jump motor. Part #463-2511. Or a good photo. Not sure if this made of metal or plastic.
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