E...A...G...L...E...S.....Eagles!!!!! Suck it Brady. That's what happens when before the game you're interviewed, and you say "Well they can try to win."

And then Brady leaves the field without shaking the hand of Foles. What a pompous ass.

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Thanks.

Without Gronk, who cleared the concussion protocol faster than any player I've ever seen, Brady would have had 150 less passing yards, and the Eagles would have won by a greater score. But I'm glad Gronk was in...makes the victory that much sweeter.

Foles said in his post game interview that Brady left the field without shaking his hand. But being a good guy, Foles said it "was probably because there was so much going on." Ummm, no. Brady is a great QB who gets great protection from his O-line, but he is still conceded, cocky, arrogant and doesn't exhibit great sportsmanship, which are undesirable characteristics in any human being.

Here's what I was going by before the game started.

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Here's what I watched 20 times before the game yesterday. It's enough to start watching it at the 3:00 mark.

Collinsworth is a huge D bag. Why they would have a guy with a known (and publicly admitted) disdain for the Eagles commentate on the Superbowl when the Eagles are in it is beyond me. He has nothing good to say about the Birds no matter how good or hard they play. He makes excuses for every other team, and his narration / commentary is extraordinarily one-sided. I must have yelled "oh, shut the hell up" at the TV 45 times yesterday while he was talking. I would have rather had Romo do the game. Even as a former Cowboy...he's at least objective.

They just posted a pic of Brady after the Super Bowl yesterday.

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Either way, that's why hockey is great. Everybody shakes everybody's hand at the end to congratulate them on the victory.

It's a big deal because it's respect…and Brady thinks he is the best and above that. Foles deserved it. The fact that he makes a habit of it speaks volumes. He is a sore loser period. How many of the greats, Marino, Favre, Elway, other than Manning once, had a reputation for disrespecting their fellow player? Even the Pats fans in here are saying it was wrong he didn't.

I actually think he's a great quarterback, and yes, I would LIKE him better if he reciprocated respect amongst his fellow players. His lack of sportsmanship is something that will be remembered. Will it make any difference for him getting into the HOF? Probably not.

If I were him, I would want to go down in history as the respectful and liked GOAT, not the GAOAT (Greatest Ass Of All Time). So you'll be the best that nobody in the league other than your fans liked? Makes the accomplishment less in my book, but who really cares about what I think.

You and I had some words in the past....then we met at Pinfest, SHOOK HANDS, and did some shots. Respect.

That I don't doubt a bit.

The difference too is back when Montana played, quarterbacks actually got hit repetitively....hell, you were able to hit a player hard in general. Brady has great protection from his O line, and you can't deny that is a big part of his success.

I am curious how he would've held up over the years if he was taking some of the big hits quarterbacks of the past used to take, or at least as many. In his new Atkins shape, I'm not sure he would hold up well.

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Watched some of that game last night. This “not lowering your helmet” rule is going to be a big pain in the ass this year. You can tell there will be a bunch of calls on various hits already.

Do they realize that somebody has to lower their head to lead with their shoulder? Here comes flag football.

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Wentz will be back by the second game. Foles can play, but I think the preseason issue was all around. If you look at the scores, and the fact that the players’ union has already been saying for two years that they want to get rid of the preseason. I think players on every team tanked in the last few weeks this year on purpose to make it look like preseason games are pointless.

It’s a fine idea, and those who gamble would probably agree. Besides, these guys make more than enough money to play two more games. I don’t want to hear about the wear on their bodies. They can play five years and retire. In what other profession can you do that?

Plus they don’t play during the preseason anymore, and they practice through OTA’s and training camps with nothing but shorts on. No pads. They are a bunch of divas.

At one time, guys played for a lot less money and played much harder, and they wore leather friggin helmets.

Yes, the American dream. Argue that you want $20 million more a year in salary to do less work.

Each can speak to their own. But I’ll tell you what… I would take the possibility of a career ending injury for $20 million a year and play 20 regular season games for five years, and be able to retire by the time I’m 35. Even though I’m already 41. Shit, I would take that risk for $3 million a year, and I would do so without all the attitude and drama.

Back to actual football teams, the Rams are going nowhere this year. Goff and Gurley are absolute animals, but unfortunately the Rams will have enough drama in their locker room to keep them busy for the season.

I do know how NFL salary structures and rookie contracts work, but I’m not sure you do.

Pursuant to the 2018 NFL Compensation, Salary & Incentives Update, “the four-year minimum base salaries for players in this year's draft are as follows: $480,000 (Year 1), $555,000 (Year 2), $630,000 (Year 3) and $705,000 (Year 4). If eventually signed to a contract, each rookie drafted will get a four-year deal, whereas undrafted rookies are only eligible for three-year contracts.” So I’m not sure where you came up with 365K plus and 10K more per year. (My firm also does sports and entertainment law, and I just got done reviewing a contract of one of the Giants players a month or so ago).

And that is only base salary. Beginning in 2012, rookies also became eligible for certain performance-based incentives.

The reality is only 38% of rookies are on the field for every game of their first season in the NFL. In their second year, that only goes up to 72% (obviously unless you are one of the top 10 draft picks, a quarterback, or star receiver).

Beside the fact, my hypothetical was based upon a player who most likely proved themself, and was now making a decent payday. Either way, I would still assume whatever risks they have to make their paycheck and be able to retire 30 years early. If anybody wants to argue that today’s NFL players are not divas, they must not be watching the same NFL that I watch. That’s just my opinion, and everybody is entitled to their own.

Ok. I’m wrong, as is every resource. And the majority of players that would be at the highest risk for injury are those that make the big money, as they play the most and are usually the players that are getting hit more often. I was not talking about practice squad guys or fourth stringers. Their risk of significant injury is substantially lower.
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I made a few comments, I wasn’t looking to get into a pissing contest about how much money athletes make. We all know they are well paid for what they actually do. I mean come on, they don’t work for five months out of the year other than working out and watching what they eat. And you are not figuring in other bonuses, appearance fees, and all the kickbacks they get that I read in contracts.

The fellas that built the Empire State Building made $2.50 an hour, and they had a much higher risk of injury. Several of them died.

Let’s be clear because you are now throwing a racial connotation into this thread. I said NOTHING about owners deserving any money and Levi’s quote was nowhere in any of my posts.

I was merely saying that they are divas compared to the players of the past, and make enough money to play two more games a year, especially if their intention is to do away with the preseason games. And if you implore that intention, the reality is they would actually be playing 2 less games per year.

Just wanted to clear that up, and certainly don’t want people twisting my words around. I wouldn’t appreciate somebody that doesn’t know me in any way insinuating that I exhibit any level of racism whatsoever. And I made no such comments.

This thread is about football, and a friendly discussion. Let’s not turn it into some trainwreck.

That is not what I said at all. I said for the amount of money they make, I believe they can play two more games per year. That simple.

Real nice. As if saying “no offense” somehow negates you calling me an idiot. It’s called a discussion, but I guess no one’s opinion matters other than yours.

And whether a game is meaningful or not, injuries still happen during preseason. The potential for injury is there regardless. Plenty of former players have indicated that they believe injuries are more prominent now because players don’t bother to practice the way they used to, and don’t play in preseason the way they used to in order to condition their bodies. But what do they know? They are just former NFL players themselves.

I can appreciate that.

Surprise. I disagree. As a premise, everybody may realize that someone is “different.” Whether it be color, language spoken, or any other factor. A claim that everybody is “racist” on some level is utterly ridiculous. Do I realize that one of my coworkers is a different color? Sure. Do I treat them any differently? No. I judge every human based on their behavior and the way they conduct themselves. Nothing else matters.

I do appreciate you clarifying your position. But let’s not turn this into any type of political or society discussion unless we want the mods to step in.

Back on point of the thread, does anybody think the Patriots will go the distance this year? Or is their run spent? My feeling is that their dynasty has run its course. Reality is you never know with Brady at the helm though.

Just a few flags in that game last night....

That was utterly ridiculous. And then some missed calls where they should’ve been and were clearly penalties, and others called when they shouldn’t have been at all.

Sad to see that the refs left off exactly where they were last year. Killing the pace of the game unnecessarily and repetitiously.

Yeah, given their struggles last year and now obviously continuing into this season, Sarkisian should go. Falcons stats in the red zone are horrendous. They have no problem getting down there though.

Because they have Julio Jones (well, that’s all they really have) they try way too many pass plays within the 5 yard line. They need to learn how to run the ball in. Especially with the new rule that the defender can force the jumper out of bounds.

And Ajayi is bad ass. Dan Marino even said so on a WIP interview yesterday, but he wouldn’t offer why Miami dumped him now that Marino is in their front office.

AP’s knees are spent. I’m sure they feel better with Smith at the helm, but some actually prefer Cousins. Skins are gonna go 8-8.

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Ajayi & Clement, or interchange Sproles into the mix. Freeman and Coleman definitely have the talent, but they're not utilized correctly.

They didn’t look like an 8-8 team last night. I’ll give you that. I think they are definitely more stacked this year.

As to the Birds, are you related to Collinsworth? My team can’t even get due credit when they win a friggin Super Bowl, let alone with a back up quarterback (who did nothing with KC or the Rams before coming back here) and against the damn Patriots.

I never said they were “some unbeatable dynasty”, but Foles is so up-and-down that once Wentz comes back it will be a completely different story, assuming he stays healthy. He was slated to be the MVP last year, and would’ve had a ridiculous record-setting season had he finished it out.

We are all aware of that.

Watching the games tonight, looks like Matt Patricia shouldn’t have left New England, and the Jets are going to end up with a better record than the Giants.

Yeah, I think Stafford threw 4 picks. Not a good night for him. His only thought tonight “I miss Megatron.”

Yeah, and the Eagles did. We’ll see what happens by the end of the season. Good luck.

Yeah, I’ll never forget Miracle at the Meadowlands II. Miss him on the Birds too. He tries to average a big play once every game, maybe two if he’s lucky. Not frequently used, but his speed and ball awareness are uncanny. Shoved it in my ass on the first play.

Damn right....but a shame he has absolutely nobody to catch the ball right now other than Agholor. WR core is just a little light.

I thought that was the blond-haired narcissistic obnoxious guy...ehhh, I mean Beckham Jr.

Baker friggin Mayfield. Holy shit. Looks like Taylor is out of a job.

Not sure who your back up is, but if I were you I would start looking at the waiver wire.

If they try putting Taylor back in, even if he’s not injured and healthy, I don’t think the fans will have it at this point. The crowd went nuts when they put Mayfield in the game. After watching the rest myself, I could see why. That guy has a damn cannon and is accurate as hell.

Haha. He severely overslept on draft day.

Wentz baby! And the D stepped up early.

Yeah, I’m not understanding what’s going on in that game. Freakin weird.

Yeah, and they also said that they weren’t going to make calls that decided a game at the end. I guess the Eagles werent part of that consideration.

I hear ya Spencer. The Eagles game was a similar shitshow with questionable calls by Pederson at various stages of the game. Including challenging Diggs’ catch on the sideline where he clearly took 3 steps before going out. No idea who called down or what the hell he was thinking there.

Eagles defense this year is atrocious.

That’s definitely the rationale the way I see it. Maybe they were trying to ice the punter?

Can I attend your next sermon? Amen.

Man, I am really trying to stick it out this year, but the Eagles look like absolute shit. No idea what they are thinking on some of these plays. Wentz is getting zero protection, and the O line looks disgusting. They need to get a grip.

Luckily the D is holding them in this one.

Yeah, I’m about sick of hearing that theory. Hangovers last a day or two, not a few months. And I also don’t like hearing that “they only had two months off”. Even if you do physical labor for a living, if you had two months off, you should feel very friggin refreshed coming back to work.

I’m starting to think it’s more once some teams go all the way and got the ultimate trophy, they feel like they accomplished all they have to do. Unlike the Patriots, who don’t hang any of that crap from the prior year at their practice facility, and want to win it EVERY single year...and play like it.

LMAO. I’m feeling better in the second half. It looks like much more effort is there. And I think Mills has been hurting the team, so I’m not upset at all that he’s taking a break.

He’s too handsy...like a ton of guys in the league.

That was beyond painful. They could have stopped after the 3rd quarter...the Raiders had already. On a more positive note, Eagles should look golden next week.

What a surprise...you offering positivity on the Birds.

A sensical post. I’ll admit I’m not the most optimistic today, but if they do beat the Cowgirls there will be hope that the run continues. Eagles could easily end up with 9 wins.

Vikings can always lose a game at the last minute…they did it last year but I can’t remember which team did it in the playoffs. Oh wait...

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Certainly:

Dallas - win
Rams- loss
Texans - win
Redskins - win

Worst case scenario...9-7. Which is better than 8-8.

Cake walk.

I know...I just walked away from the tube. What a mess.

Come on Dee! Where’s the brotherly love?

And you thought that game was bad. The Eagles look disgusting right now, and this game is equally not entertaining.

What a sad display. Birds deserved to lose that one, but that bullshit call on Goedert cost them the game.

Totally incidental contact. No way that was friggin offensive pass interference. And I like how the refs try to make up for their bullshit call by giving the Eagles some arbitrary crappy roughing the passer penalty yardage. Like that makes up for costing them 7 points.

You’ll be seeing a lot of green jerseys out there tonight! Up on the the rooftop click click click...

Here we go with the “Eagles fans are obnoxious” and might as well rehash the throwing snowballs at Santa Claus bullshit for the 20th time, even though it happened 40 years ago.

Eagles fans are no more obnoxious than any other team’s, well maybe LA Rams are an exception. Nobody out there likes football, and they go just because it’s an activity to do. The Raiders wouldn’t even have so many fans if NWA didn’t support their gear and they didn’t sell 45 million Starter jackets back in the 90s.

There are fights and idiot fans in every stadium. People have been shot at a Raiders game (that never happened at the Linc), and at the Jets game a year or two ago some guy punched some girl in the face for taunting him. Knocked her out cold.

As evidenced in this thread, every team has Fairweather fans. We all think our teams suck when they’re doing bad, and we all think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread when they are on a run.

I’d like to see what games would be like if they removed alcohol from the equation.

At least we all hate Dallas right?

That is total BS. Somebody threatening to slash your tires and a cop saying Fuck the Redskins? Coming from someone that lives in NYC...safest city in the world. That’s why every Law & Order show is based there.

I’ve also read Aesop’s Fables. Fairy tales are awesome.

Your story is funny, and I don’t discount that some part of it happened. I don’t think they are more tame, I just think they are no different than fans at most stadiums. Maybe slightly worse. Back at the Vet...a little more unruly.

My take is that when it happens here, it is more publicized. And I think other people around the country mistake obnoxiousness for passion. Unlike some other places around the country, we are not shy in voicing our opinions, and sometimes in a vulgar manner.

Not at all. Saying that’s all it is, voicing opinions. Some people are offended when others do that, or consider it “obnoxious”. I call it being a fan. Nothing more, nothing less. I do often forget that fans in other stadiums don’t curse at all.

Like I said before, are some fans here idiots? Sure. But there are some in every stadium.

And the posts above actually prove my point. I cite fans actually getting shot at another team’s stadium in a “debate”, and another one getting knocked out cold. Not one comment about that.

They gloss right over all the other shit, which is much more serious, unacceptable violent behavior. But Eagles fans...no no no.

Levi can have his cheerleaders and upvotes. I’ll sit here with my ring. At least the Birds saved it from being on the hands of the Pats again.

Driskel’s 14 for 33 for 130 yards? I wonder what would have happened without Mixon. It’s still a W...so I guess it counts!

Yeah, admittedly he doesn’t have many people to throw to. At least good targets.

And that’s funny. I remember someone had posted a screenshot of Vamp in American Grafitti in my restoration thread. Great flick.

Cam really screwed the pooch on that throw.

Dude...you can’t change your avatar.

Yeah, I don’t really see Philly fans hitting it LA style....early a.m. trip to Disney, then cruising up the 5 to the Odyssey for shrimp tartare, up the 405 to an oxygen bar, getting some Starbucks then heading to the game.

Actually, traffic out there would prevent any chronology of those lovely events from happening. So tailgating and booze it is! (equaling bad or less than desirable behavior, or misplacing trash under the wrong seat)

Let’s go Birds! If 243 things play out exactly the way they have to, I can still make the playoffs.

What complete bullshit that facemask wasn’t called on that scumbag Clowney throwing Foles down by his mask. Protecting players...right. The NFL is a fucking joke with no flag on that at all. Clowney should be ejected from the game.

Yeah, I love a good nailbiter, but having every game be like that is beyond stressful.

Stockibg’s must be a Texas thing. “America’s Team”...I like how they try to keep that alive. I live in America, and they aren’t my team.

That title would actually be more appropriately bestowed upon upon the Eagles, given that the United States actually started here and it served as the capital from 1790 - 1800.

Haha...smart ass. Langhorne is a whopping 22 miles outside of Philadelphia. In my life, I have lived in the city and worked there. Down there frequently for dinner, games and events (and parades).

So saying I’m “from Philly” is nowhere near a stretch. Besides, you need a house in the suburbs if you want to collect pins.

Back to the playoffs baby!!!

Signed,
A Guy from the Philly suburbs

Boooooo. I’m feeling 28-21 Birds victory...even if Sudfeld is playing.

I’d almost agree with that, but Russell hasn’t had the same surprise come back power that he’s had in previous years.

That is sad. Mackadoo is available.

I don’t think they will waltz right in, it may be more of a salsa dance?

He will, after he has another ring on his finger.

I say home teams win 3/4.

Yeah, that was nasty. Garrett really does never talk into his headset. It’s odd.

Early next August...1:00pm

Don’t even. Haha. The whole first half of that game was a snoozefest. If that’s all Dallas has, they are definitely not advancing past the next round.

The only game plan you need against them: Stop Elliot. It’s one friggin guy that accounts for 70% of their total offensive yards.

Yeah, but the D on the Hawks held the Cowgirls to barely any points the whole first half. Their offense should’ve stepped up and helped out, and put some points up then.

I’ll just wait for the wager to even out once the Birds take out the Bears. One hour till game time!!

Damn...Maddox would have had a pick 6 if he came back a 1/2 second earlier

Good call on the interference. He was more handsy than a...well, it looked like he was actually trying to hold his hand.

TD! Eagles were shooting themselves in the foot in the first half, it’s time for the Bears to.

I think I’m gonna have a fucking heart attack.

Holy Fuck!!!!!

Is it ironic or cliché that you got him from us?

This game just proved that in the NFL anything can happen. Foles is gonna repeat.

I predict 31-24. Birds.

I’m not cracking that open just yet. Eager for the game. We’ll have to wait and see. I think I’m going to put together a small pin tournament before next game.

Interesting stat. It will be cool for me to add to the 20%.

I couldn’t agree more. I don’t want to hear anything about player safety next season. Refs blow calls right in front of their face. Like Foles getting ripped down by his face mask last game. Ref was 20 feet away and no call. I saw it from 900 miles away on my TV screen.

Same thing happened Saturday when one of the Cowboys ripped down Russell Wilson by his helmet. No call. Ridiculous.

Here’s a precursor for you Daditude! Come on...you know the words

You two going to get a room anytime soon?

I’ll admit I was wrong...if you admit that you watched the Fly Eagles Fly video I posted above and sang along with it as it played.

^^^^ LMAO