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#8247 3 years ago
Quoted from chuckwurt:

The Brocklobster!

I think that's a B-52 song.

#8256 3 years ago
Quoted from Deaconblooze:

Alright, I'm 0-2, and those games sucked. I hope Pete Carroll stubs his toe real bad.

I'm 1-1. I wasn't really expecting Sea to lose but I was hoping.

#8267 3 years ago

I'm excited for some Eli madness.

Have the Steelers and Pats ever met in the playoffs in the new millenium?

#8269 3 years ago

The emphasis has always been on Brady and Manning in the AFC. Probably because the Steelers have been up and down. When they're good, they're really good but then they'll throw in a couple of .500 seasons and you'll forget about them. It'll be interesting to see how Belichek gameplans for Bell and Brown. I hope both teams stay healthy so we can see how that will play out.

#8271 3 years ago
Quoted from yuriijos:

In the AFC, screw the Patriots, screw the Steelers, go KC!! In the NFC, go Cowboys.

I admire your desire for something different but I still believe the champ is gonna be someone who was there before.

Cowboys are gonna screw up like hey always do. I don't believe they'll even make the SB.

#8273 3 years ago
Quoted from dirkdiggler:

2001 and 2004 AFC Championship games. Pats won both.
Hopefully KC will kick the Steelers ass next week so we don't have to see NE/PIT 3.

I think I remember '04. Wasn't that Roethlisburger's rookie season? And didn't the Steelers have the best record in the NFL?

If I'm correct, I think the Steelers had the best record, lost in their first game coming off bye. Next year they were a wild card and the Colts had the best record and lost in their first game coming off bye. Steelers win SB. Next year Colts were wild card and win SB. I remember thinking it was interesting pattern.

#8290 3 years ago

Atl is really good. The defense may be mediocre but that offense is legit. They were lighting up some top defenses.

#8309 3 years ago

My picks


I was 2-2 last week.

#8334 3 years ago
Quoted from SteveO:

I can't remember the last time I heard a commentator talk about Roethlisberger's past such as the rape allegations and personal conduct suspension. They made a bigger stink about ODB3 going to Miami.

There's a new cover story about it in SI this past week. I thought it was kind of odd to do a story bringing up his past transgressions when nothing new was neing said.

The suspension seemed to be a turning point for him and he's grown up since then.

I'm not a fan of the Steelers but I am a fan of how they are run. They have some quality people in ownership and the front office. They stick with coaches and players for the most part.

I have similar feeling towards GB and NE. I guess it comes from Indy being so solid and stable for around a decade and now things are so incertain.

#8335 3 years ago
Quoted from dmbjunky:

There's a new cover story about it in SI this past week. I thought it was kind of odd to do a story bringing up his past transgressions when nothing new was neing said.
The suspension seemed to be a turning point for him and he's grown up since then.
I'm not a fan of the Steelers but I am a fan of how they are run. They have some quality people in ownership and the front office. They stick with coaches and players for the most part.
I have similar feeling towards GB and NE. I guess it comes from Indy being so solid and stable for around a decade and now things are so incertain.

On the flip side you've got the Browns who just blaze through coaches. It's no wonder their draft picks are never worth a damn.

#8346 3 years ago

I love watching and talking sports but it turns my stomach to see local and state governments providing millions in incentives to keep teams.

With the billions the nonprofit NFL makes they shouldn't be asking for handouts.

#8362 3 years ago
Quoted from dirkdiggler:

Stan Kroenke is paying for the new LA stadium. The naming/licensing fee is going to be huge (9 figures for sure) cause every flight in and out of LAX will see the giant billboard on the roof of the stadium.
Niners had their stadium bought and paidoff without taxpayers money
Check out the new chargers logos. Very Dodger like. The other looks like Tampa Bay Lightning

Santa Clara paid for Levi's Stadium. The Niners and NFL only paid 20% of the 1.31 billion.


#8411 3 years ago
Quoted from dirkdiggler:

Bet365 has over under at 60.5
Can't remember many games 60 point totals

I could see it getting close but not over 60. I guess they are going off both defenses ability to let points be scored. This is thenplayoffs though.

#8423 3 years ago

It seems like the Cowboys have always had the talent but injuries always derailed their seasons. I've never been impressed with the coaching either. Too many mental mistakes from players.

Jerry Jones does make them easy to hate.

#8427 3 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

Tomlin ain't too happy about the Patriots have an extra day and a half rest than they do.
"In that locker room, head coach Mike Tomlin addressed the team, and he described the Patriots — who are next week’s opponent — using a less-than-endearing term. He also expressed some frustration that his team has less time to prepare for next week’s AFC Championship Game.
“When you get to this point in the journey, man, not a lot needs to be said. Let’s say very little moving forward. Let’s start our preparation,” Tomlin, who could not be seen on camera, told the team. “We spotted them [a–holes] a day-and-a-half. They played yesterday; our game got moved to tonight. We’re gonna touch down at 4 o’clock in the [expletive] morning. So be it. We’ll be ready for that ass. But you ain’t got to tell them that we’re coming.”

Maybe the Steelers should try getting the number one seed.

#8430 3 years ago

I'm willing to see a Packers/Steelers II.

#8451 3 years ago

I think the Chiefs D wasn't too bad either. Probably better than NEs at times during the season but I haven't kept track.

#8474 3 years ago
Quoted from bemmett:

I'd much rather play Pitt than NE, that is for sure

Actually I think Pitt would be a worse matchup for GB than NE. GB's defense would have a terrible time trying to stop Bell and Brown. NE's gonna focus on stopping one, probably Bell but I think they are going to have a tough time stopping both.

#8479 3 years ago
Quoted from dhard:

Lions fans have nothing to pout about all we got is no hope at all as some of us like to say another fine ford product a lemon luckily Brady is a Michigan man so I can adopt the pats for now and after winning another super bowl this year to put egg all over the nfl's face
He can retire undoubtedly the greatest qb ever

The Lions were surprising to me especially after losing Megatron. Happy to see Jim Caldwell doing well. He's a good guy.

#8482 3 years ago
Quoted from Erik:

Agreed basement is easier on the eyes. Need one of you to go off and get this thread demoted again.
Whysnow, post some of your Favre dick pics

Favre must have been at a low point in his career to text pics of his dick to whysnow

#8487 3 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

He used to call it the mississippi mud dobber. Wasn't much of a stinger if you ask me.

I'm dying here.

#8506 3 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

Nope. Season would be forgotten about almost immediately after the game.

Not for me. The seasons that ended in disappointment stick with me just as much. And I can instantly recall the ups and downs.

I miss Peyton with the Colts. Actually not just him but that time frame. Every Sunday was something to look forward to and afterwards was discussed till the next Sunday. And it seemed like every person in the state was interested in the team. It's amazing how they turned a basketball state into die hard Colts fans.

Savor the moment Packers, Patriots, Steelers, Falcons fans. These times won't last forever.

#8512 3 years ago

Well it's no surprise that most players only care about indivual performance. Each player's job is dependent on their individual performance and every position is so competitive. I'd say every team has less than a handful of players that are solid locks at their position through good times and bad.

#8515 3 years ago
Quoted from dirkdiggler:

So I'm playing blackjack in a small casino in North Battleford, Saskatchewan this afternoon and I'm wearing a Brady jersey and Pats hat. This older couple (at least mid 70s) walk by and I hear "Fuck those bastard Patriots, Go Steelers" and they just kept walking! His wife didn't even react. I busted a gut . The dealer even cracked up. Steelers fans are everywhere.

I would also say Pats are everywhere.

Funny story.

#8589 3 years ago
Quoted from RWH:

Atlanta's defense sure didn't look to be the 25th rank D in the league did it. I honestly believe they have a very good chance of winning this thing.

I watched them a couple times this year and they reminded me of Dungy's cover two defense. Especially the years where the Colts D sucked during the season but showed up big in the playoffs. They were a "bend don't break" D that allowed a lot of yards but provided some good stops in the red zone.

#8639 2 years ago
Quoted from Mfsrc791:

Pats play on turf also but they aint no soft dome team like atlanta. Move the superbowl to a tough cold climate and watch the dome teams sh*t their pants.
* bring on the anti pats down votes

The Colts, a dome team, played their '06 Super Bowl in the rain in Miami against an outdoor team in the Bears.

The Indy Super Bowl was also one of the most praised because of Indy's great downtown culture surrounding the stadium. Wasn't it the year before they had that ice storm at Dallas before the SB? I think any city should get a chance to host a good SB no matter the climate.

I actually prefer the old tradition of blow out SBs and exciting conference games.

#8640 2 years ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

Concussions, new penalties and commercials are killing the sport. Maybe for good reason. The fact that a lot of these guys die early makes it a very weird sport to root for. Plus, the alcohol culture surrounding the game gives me zero desire to actually attend, and I'm a Patriots season ticket holder.

Wasn't that always part of the reason for watching any physical display of excellence? Seeing these people stretch the limits of physical or mental prowess all the while risking injury or worse, death. It was the reason people watched auto racing, boxing, and every other sport.

The only way to reduce concussions significantly would be to get rid of hard helmets. I'd be for that. Return football to it's roots.

#8647 2 years ago

I just imagine football without helmets would be like rugby. You don't hear about many deaths in rugby.

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#8718 2 years ago
Quoted from chuckwurt:

Worst snub ever. I saw that Lynn Swan is in. That's the worst thing I've ever seen.

A little late to this post but I couldn't let it slide. Lynn Swann was a great WR and totally deserves to be in the HOF. Bradshaw wouldn't have had his four SB rings without him. Just because he played in a run heavy league and T.O. played in a pass heavy league shouldn't matter. Also Swann waited 15 years after first being eligible. T.O. won't have to wait that long.

I personally don't think TO made any team he was on better except the one year in Philly and a couple years in SF. Marvin Harrison was a better reciever from a similar time period but didn't garner as much press because of his quiet demeanor.

#8719 2 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

Who the fuck calls a passing play in that situation?
You have the game fucking won with a FG, and you are at the 23 yard line. This is no brainer shit. You run the GD ball 3 times in a row, take time off the clock, and kick the f'in FG to ice the game.
That sack is exactly what the idiot Falcons deserved for calling a pass play. Then finish it off with a holding call. Was obvious the Pats were going to win at that point.
Belichick looks like a genius because most coaches are idiots.

#8735 2 years ago
Quoted from chuckwurt:

I'm sorry but that alone shouldn't get him into the hall. Worst stats of any person I've ever seen in the hall. Makes no sense.
He was put into the hall for one reason only. The Super Bowls. He didn't even finish in the top ten of wide receivers in terms of yards more than twice in his career. That's horrible. Never once lead the league in anything from what I can tell.
Yeah he was part of a dynasty. So what? So we're a lot of the big red machine but not all of them automatically go to the hall of fame for it.

It was a different era and he was a top receiver of that era. Just look at the receiver yard leaders from during his career 74-82. In 77 the NFL leader had 870 yards.


Swann was a first team all pro, a two time second team all pro, and a three time pro bowler. He lead the league in TDs in 75. He was top 10 in yards for three years. He was a SB MVP.

Stats aren't the only the thing that matters either or there wouldn't be any offensive linemen in the Hall. I'm sure Gale Sayers don't match up to a lot of people but he's in the hall because he was awesome for a short time.

Swann waited fifteen years to get in so it's not like he was a first ballot. Owens will get in eventually. He burned a lot of bridges so it's not surprising he's missed some opportunities. That's the story of his career.

#8738 2 years ago
Quoted from chuckwurt:

Sorry but this doesn't scream best WR of his era to me. And if these stats are the best of his era, then so be it. I still don't think he should be in. Just chalk up that era to questionable WR play. Haha.
Also I don't understand the argument of well he played on a team with a great defense so their offense didn't need to do much. Sorry but you can't assume performance and get someone into the HOF. You actually have to do it imo.
Agree to disagree but he might be the worst WR in the HOF.

I don't think your understanding my argument. His WR play wasn't less worthy but the prevalent strategy among NFL teams then was run, run, run and then maybe pass. I never mentioned defense in my argument.

There were only three WRs from that era of mid 70s to early 80s in the HOF: Swann, Stallworth, and Largent. There are guys that played in that era at the beginning or end of their careers but no more where the majority came from that era. Gene Washington is another guy that should be in from that era. He was pretty great but his stats pale to today's pass happy stats and will probably never make it.

You kind of sound like a disgruntled Bengals fan which is weird because I would have figured Swann was before your time and Owens wasn't to great with the Bengals.

#8741 2 years ago
Quoted from chuckwurt:

I only started looking at his stats after someone mentioned to me that his stats were bad. Then it was glaring how bad they were. I then compared them to his peers and they weren't much better. I'd expect him to be in the top five most major WR categories for most of his career. He wasn't even close to that. How come he wasn't all pro for multiple seasons? Why only pro bowl three times in over ten years? Seems like he only impacted one super bowl too. Being on a SB team doesn't add to a resume unless you contribute significantly imo.
I'm a long suffering bengals fan, but Lynn swan happening to play for the Steelers is meerly coincidence.
Also my argument about defense was in response to Steve o sorry.
That defense was all World. Let's not kid ourselves and think that Steelers dynasty does anything without it.

All Pro is a tough accomplishment so even being named second team is nothing to sneeze at. And Swann played less than 10 years not more than. 74-82. In SB XIII he had 7 catches for 124 yards and the last TD.

Here's a good article that tells about recievers from this era that are largely forgotten because their stats aren't mind blowing like recievers today. Read the description of Swann's SB MVP.


#8744 2 years ago
Quoted from chuckwurt:

That defense was all World. Let's not kid ourselves and think that Steelers dynasty does anything without it.

That offense was pretty decent as well. From 72 to 79 they never ranked lower than 7th in points and were top 5 for six of those years. Top 10 in yards every year but two.

#8751 2 years ago


Great article about the many improbable events that led to the outcome.

When I was watching it happen I just kept thinking of that championship game of the Pats and Colts when Indy came back to win. If you're a Pats, I'm sure this SB was so exciting to watch.

Why wasn't White the MVP? SB record for receptions. Three TDs. 2 point conversion. Man, he was the player of the game.

#8753 2 years ago

I was begging for a blitz at the end of the game. Falcons D was so gassed and they just kept coming with a four man rush. They needed to keep Brady rattled. Once he got settled it was game over.

Does anyone remember that Jones catch towards the end of the game? It kind of got lost after Edelman's amazing catch but I couldn't believe Jones got both feet in bounds.

#8756 2 years ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

haha I like coming in after and reading what happened. When Falcons didn;t score on the 1st poss of 2nd half I raised an eyebrow. When Pats pulled within 16 I knew it was a wrap; same shit diff'rent day. Doing it his whole career.
The Falcons made it easier with stupid coaching but probably would have turned out the same. Throwing, not letting play clock run down...silly shit.
As for the Swann thing he certainly has the worst stats as a WR, but he has the hardware and more importantly some of the most memorable plays in SB history so that's enough. If Troy Aikman is in, Swann should be in. Hayes MIGHT be a worse WR, but it's arguable.

The worst of the best is still pretty good

#8757 2 years ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

It really should have been co mvps.

I don't know. Brady didn't play very well the first half. He was the main reason they were down so much. White was playing his heart out the whole game.

I think I read a stat he played for over 70 snaps of the Pats 93 offensive snaps. The high for the season for a Pats RB was like 48.

I know people are going to point to Brady as being great in the comeback (and he was) but his throws were a little off all night. He tightened up in the second half when there was little pressure but he still made mistakes that just happened to turn in his favor. The Edelman catch. A fade to Bennett that almost got intercepted in the end zone.

It's kind of a similar story a few years ago when the Colts won the SB. They gave the MVP to Manning but it probably should have went to Rhodes.

#8766 2 years ago

I think what you mean is Dan Quinn should have learned it.

#8768 2 years ago

Honestly Belichek is my ideal coach. I love his gruff manor and no nonsense with the media. He's an exact copy of Popovich of the Spurs. Pure old school.

#8772 2 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

As the game went on, so did our beer intake. It was unbelievable what was unfolding in front of us. The guy that bet on the Pats was getting happier by the minute.
All I know is you never see two two point conversions to tie up a game in the regular season, let alone the Super Bowl. That in itself was pretty amazing.

For sure. My Dad kept saying the Pats were going to win and I was still skeptical because it's tough to get one 2 point conversion let alone two.

#8781 2 years ago
Quoted from Mfsrc791:

I would have loved to see another patriots giants game. I was actually hopeing for that just so we would have a chance to redeem ourselves against the giants lol. Although if we lost again eli would definately look like a god.

I had to laugh at Eli as a god.

It is amazing how some people can hinge a person's success on one or two crucial plays when in reality a lot of things had to go right with a lot of people's efforts being the reason.

If New England's offensive line doesn't solidify in the second half, Brady's done. If that NE defense doesn't provide one stop out of the many attempts, Atl wins. That was a team win by definition. Brady's only one person and couldn't do it himself.

We like to say, myself included, that Atl's front four was gassed but NE's offensive line was out there the same amount of snaps. At the end of the game that's what I was watching and they played great.

#8815 2 years ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

True. Consider me trolled. Ugh.

O-din's good at it. That's just one reason why he's so lovable.

#8819 2 years ago

Probably Colts and Bucs is one. I think that was a MNF game.

#8823 2 years ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Oh man you know the Champagne was popping left and right

And he was probably buying it all.

#8824 2 years ago

Just read a five thirty eight article on the SB. In the comments one guy said, "Run and you have a ring. Teams always wet themselves against the Pats." The reply was, "except for..."

I laughed so hard at that.

#8842 2 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Let me put it this way. There is no denying that the Patriots have become a dynasty in a time when dynasties aren't supposed to exist anymore and a legacy team of their own. I give them all the respect in the world for that. They have gone beyond the call of duty.
But, in the bowls they have met other legacy or prior dynasty franchises, they just couldn't pull it off. Came up short. And they had their chances. Those are the facts. That's all, and good night.

Can you really call this Patriots team a dynasty? They are a totally different team from the one that one 3 out of four SBs. Only Brady and Belicheck are left from those years. I'm not trying to take anything away from the Pats just curious what the definition of a dynasty is. It's probably a little for each sport.

#8847 2 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

I give them the benefit of the doubt by including all their SB victories since Belichick and Brady came together and calling it one dynasty. It may not have happened all in a few years, but it's actually pretty amazing that even in most years they didn't win they almost always had an outstanding record and made the playoffs.
I guess it depends on how you define a football dynasty. It's tough to say though because during that time both the Steelers and Giants won two Super Bowls each.

Yep it seems there's been the same teams as contenders for over the past decade. Colts, Packers, Saints, Ravens and the three teams you mentioned have rarely been out of contention. It still amazes me that in 14 out of 16 SBs since 2002 it's been Brady, Manning, or Roethlisberger out of the AFC and they've won 9.

#8848 2 years ago
Quoted from DaveH:

Can you really call the Ming Dynasty a dynasty? After all, it was 276 years, and I doubt a single person who was in it at the beginning lasted until the end!
Yes, you can call the Patriots a dynasty. And if they maintain the level of greatness they have shown even after Bill and Tom have moved on, you will still be able to call them a dynasty. And next year, you will most likely get the chance to again call them a dynasty... because they are a football dynasty in every sense of the word. In a world of football parity, the Patriots stand above.

What I meant was I would definitely call the first Pats team a dynasty but unsure of the current squad but OK you convinced me.

#8857 2 years ago
Quoted from Mfsrc791:

Its tough to describe a dynasty with all the same players on the same team. Teams and coaches change so often that all people really care about it the logo. Thats it. Im a pats but if brady went to the bronco or colt ect. i would still be rooting for the logo regardless of the person in the uniform. Kind of weird when you think about it.

That's different from me. I'm a fan of players and teams. The logo is just part of the corporate entity. I guess it stems from when I was a kid and watching college teams getting better for four years until they were champs. The story that is told.
I guess that's why I rooted for Manning even after he was pushed out by the Colts. Even more than the Colts.

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#8893 2 years ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Manning was a question mark coming off the neck surgery when Denver signed him, but he was superb his first two seasons here. Of course Romo has more going for him now than Manning did in his last season (you could say that for pretty much any QB in the NFL, including Denver's current QB 1 and 2). But Romo has a solid track record of serious injuries and chronic back problems, so I'd put them in different categories of risk -- Manning was an "if", Romo is a "when."
Doesn't mean it couldn't work, of course. Romo's got a great arm and as a Giants fan I've suffered through my share of his crazy shoot-out performances. I'm just skeptical that he can stay healthy long enough to make the kind of difference Manning did for Denver.

After the neck surgery Manning said his problem was gripping the ball. That's why he wore the glove. It was definitely what made his last season so hard to watch. The arm strength was still there but the grip came and went which caused many floaty and wobbly passes.

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#8945 2 years ago

Updated injury report: Aaron Hernandez (neck) out indefinitely

#8949 2 years ago
Quoted from Topher5000:

I upvoted, but I don't know if I should have.

Yeah I understand. It wasn't my joke but I thought it was funny and needed to be shared.

Sad situation for sure. A guy as talented as that throwing it away for nothing. Hopefully it's a cautionary tale for others.

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#8981 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

does someone want to start a new tread for the current season?
Maybe it will bring some much needed luck for my Bears

I like a thread with history.

#9003 2 years ago

Do the Texans hold some kind of blackmail material on the Browns? That's twice this offseason the Browns have helped Houston's QB situation.

#9004 2 years ago
Quoted from hwyhed:

I'm surprised that my chefs moved up and showed some cajones and drafting a potential great qb in P. Mahomes..when some analysts compare him to having a Favre/Elway arm, how can u not get excited? A. Smith is a good qb, just not great...

I don't know. I thought it was a reach. Smith has played pretty great and they were undefeated in their division last year.

You take a developmental QB late first round or later. The dude also played in a very different offense than NFL teams run. A lot of guys have an arm but it's what you can do with it.

#9010 2 years ago

I like the Colts pick. They have a bunch of needs and that safety looks really good.

I'm a little worried the Texans might have found their QB though.

#9012 2 years ago
Quoted from hwyhed:

A. Smith is a good game manager, and plays pretty conservative. I feel that he's limited, and has showed the team/fans what he can do. I wouldn't call him great; the D helped my chefs to a lot of wins. Sure they gave up plenty of yards, but limited them to fg's. Smith is a 2nd tiered qb..he's not w the Rogers, Rapelistburger or that cheater from bean town..

I think part of that is scheme too. KC is a run first team in my opinion. If you look at pass attempts versus carries, they were 25th and 15th in the league.

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