Haha. I can't believe people are still into communism even now.

Maybe it’ll work this time. They just messed up on the fine details last time around even if the concept was sound.

I have to give the Colts owner a nod for his generous gift to Luck as he's on his way out. He could have just not given any of the remaining incentive money to Luck but chose to do the right thing and recognize what Luck meant to the team during his career.

Hey when you're that wasted on pills everyone is your best buddy

If only I had season tickets and 1,000 pinball machines

Then they would make the salary of a nurse or a paramedic or police officer. You never did answer the question why you always complain about football players salaries and never complain about The owners, CEO’s, and Studio Heads enormous salaries.

If the NFL didn’t pay Luck all that money he either would have been an architect (his college major) or more likely used his incredible athletic ability to pursue some other professional sport. As it is, you will probably see a drop off in talent in the next 20 years because kids aren’t playing youth football in the numbers they used to.

Same thing happened to boxing. Too dangerous a sport, which is why you see a lot less elite American boxers than in the past and why the Heavyweight division is such a joke right now. Ken Norton Jr. was a beast who played professional football because his dad thought it was a safer sport and didn’t want him to grow old punch drunk.

Owners and CEO’s almost always make big money. I mean shouldn’t the owner make big money? Profits do not have anything to do with a workers salary, not in most jobs anyway. Im sure that the company that you work for probably makes huge profits and they dont pay you based on their profits. None of that even matters really. I think athletes are way overpaid and i will always think that. Im not mad or anything about it, its just how i feel.

As far as boxing goes, its not dying because of the reasons that you state. Its dying because the UFC is a million times better and nobody wants to watch boxing anymore.

Clearly that’s how you feel. And your feelings about who should be paid what are logically incoherent. Which is fine, feelings are often silly and irrational, and at least you can admit it.

If it upsets you watching highly paid athletes destroy their bodies for your amusement, you can always switch over to college football and watch unpaid athletes destroy their bodies for your amusement. Plus you’ll have the satisfaction of knowing that the coaches and college presidents are still making bank, just as it should be.

The point is he doesn't even watch football, yet this thread is still forced to listen to his feelings aboot it.

I think we all know why he feels the way he does about the “Job Creators” and the “takers”. No logic whatsoever. Jim Irsay, owner of the Colts is a job creator and he deserves to make billions because he inherited the team from daddy. He has been a complete fuckup and druggie/alcoholic his entire adult life, but luckily avoids any real consequences because he was Robert Irsay’s boy.

The players (the takers) mostly come from middle class to poor families and work their ass off to become the elitest of the elite in their chosen field of professional football. Getting hit and taking a beating for a living, they should be happy they make whatever the job creator wants to pay them and like it.

Now, I’m guessing Who-Dey isn’t the son of a billionaire, so makes me wonder why he would take sides with them?

Lol man you are reading way too much into this. I just dont personally believe that athletes are worth what they are paid. Nobody should make 50 million dollars to play football. There’s nothing wrong with me having that opinion. It doesnt mean that im right or that im wrong, its just an opinion. Ive had people tell me that i am overpaid also. Its kind of funny though when i offer them a job that not one of them has taken me up on it yet.

Nah, I just hit the ignore button. I normally don't do that, but clearly he has some sort of agenda I'm just not interested in hearing anymore.

One of the most overrated movies of all time.

Looking forward to the start of the regular season, and to pg 266 of this Pinside NFL forum thread, because pgs 264 & 265 are kinda boring. I guess there is not enough exciting stuff going on in pre-season to post about.

Any comments about the upcoming reg season schedule of the teams that you guys pull for?
I see that the Saints have to play in Chicago on Sun Oct 20th. I'm thankful they don't have to play in Chicago in Dec. A cold windy rainy nasty weather game would help the Bears more than the Saints.

If Luck knows deep down that he won't be able to consistently give 100% effort this season, then perhaps it is best for him (and for Colts team and fans) for him to stop playing now imho.

Tough game to start for GB@CHI, particularly since it's the kickoff game, most of our starters have yet to take a snap in preseason (and likely won't), and we have a brand new offense...

I'm metering expectations, but I'm holding out hope the Bears do that thing where they blow it in spectacular fashion.

NFC North is a mystery. I will never believe in Chicago, but do I trust vikings anymore? Can the pack really keep up their shitiness? Do I trust rodgers not to quit on the team again? All depends on him and the coach. Gonna be a weird one.

AFC North is a but less weird. I just can't wait to see the Browns tank so hard after being talked up... That coach is a mess.

Concerning AFC North teams:

* I hope the Browns do good this year and make the play-offs. Seems like they turned the corner last year, and I predict there will be a fair amount of enthusiasm and effort, and some exciting action going on in Browns games this year.
Clarification: Not saying they are gonna be a #1 or #2 seed in the AFC Conf come Jan.

* Doesn't feel like Bengals are gonna have a good year. Heck, they are a 200 to 1 longshot to win the 2020 Super Bowl.
If the Bengals have another bad year, I think I'll start pulling for them during the 2020-2021 season.

Well they beat no one with a winning record so there's that. I haven;t looked at their schedule but if the play the Bungels 2 out of the last 6 games again they could get that feeling back again.

Browns have a pretty easy schedule. Looks like about 4 hard games this season.

Its going to be bad believe me......really bad.

Cincinnati would be doing great if they can win 6-8 games this year, it's a new offense/defense so they'll have growing pains.

I'll be honest I think the Browns will be better this year but, that's not saying a lot. I like Baker Mayfield but I think he's in for a brutal wakeup call in the NFL. He's made a lot of disparaging remarks about other players and teams which will come back to haunt him. I'm also actively anticipating the reactions of the newly acquired wideout when they lose a few...…...will he quit on them like he did the Giants????????? Two very large personalities in Mayfield and him, be sure to keep the popcorn handy.

I hope you’re right because i hate Mayfield and the Browns. Guy has got the shittiest attitude that ive ever seen in my life. He is the only reason that i really have any interest in football at all this year because i am hoping that some big defensive end doesn't care about laying him out and taking a suspension. I know they will be good this year and probably win the division but im just hoping for bad chemistry because of all the big egos or something that makes them fail. Baker Mayfield would not have survived in the old days of the NFL with his attitude. Someone would have laid his ass out or body slammed him like Charles Martin did to Jim Mcmahon because they got sick of his mouth. That would make my football season right there!

I look for them to be better and really the whole AFC North is in disarray starting this year so it's any ones guess who will come out on top. We had one of the toughest divisions in football but over the last 2/3 seasons everyone has been lacking on the field.

Mayfield is young, he'll get an education this year at some point about what it means to play in the NFL, hopefully he'll learn about respect.

That guy will never be respectful because he has zero class. Unfortunately though he is damn good and i have a bad feeling thag the Browns are foing to kick ass this year. Probably will be the first time in my life that i will become a Steelers fan and hope that they win the division.

Andrew Luck's father, Oliver, is the commissioner of the XFL.

Just sayin'...

But is it obscure?

If only all of the teachers, nurses, and police officers who just weren't feeling it anymore would hang it up, the world would be a better place.

Back in football news, the only division I really pay attention to is the NFC East so my picks:

Dallas - just the most complete team at this time but not world beaters. 10-6 and will lose early in playoffs.

Eagles - Wentz won't last the season and that will be all she wrote. No Foles, no playoffs. 8-8 for these guys.

Redskins - the defense and running game should keep the Skins in a lot of games and buy 6-7 wins, but the offense will be pretty terrible as a whole. O-line is gonna be bad with no depth and all the receivers are unproven (though I think a pretty promising young bunch), and Case Keenum sucks. Look for Haskins to take over mid-season, and I really think 2020 is the year the Skins make their move (it's been a few good drafts, now just need to fix the line).

Giants - they suck. Worst GM in the league, lack of talent all over the place. Eli will be benched by Halloween I'd guess. They are gonna keep getting and blowing high draft picks.

There's like 5 dudes who post in the NFL thread. One thread is enough.

Besides it's fun to look back on several years worth of shit-talking and anthem-kneeling arguments.

Yeah we've had some good ones, especially ones that involved the Packers and Centerflank.

I got eagles winning the division with Dallas will be a bit behind them.

Good call, I just started a mod thread to request that they drop the year from the title.

[EDIT: And ForceFlow made the change before I even got this posted -- he's fast!]

Finally somebody brings some sense into the thread, and an unbiased fan.

But how dare you contradict the all-knowing prophet Levi?

Look at their season results for the last 6 years, Odd years no good.

Hows that for true analysis

Thank you!

It doesn’t exactly take a Muhammad to predict that Carson wentz will get hurt. I'm a Redskins fan and I loathe the Cowboys and Eagles so not sure where the bias is?

How do you see the NFC East shaping up?

"Eagles’ Carson Wentz could follow Andrew Luck one day into early retirement "
Ha..that's from a Philli rag so I'm impressed they can still report the news with Hepatitis, but Wentz is still young he can pull out of the injury thing.

I mena he won't, but he could.

Eagles
Dallas
Giants
Foreskins

Wentz earns MVP he should have had in 2017.

Geez we are doing the dumb nickname thing now?

Well, I'm sure THE BEAGLES (hehehehehe) will be going places with Josh McCown. Mcnown? I always get confused with that guy.

It's a 2 horse race in the NFC East. I'll take the Eagles, but if Wentz goes down it's all over. The Cowboys are pretty good at folding under pressure.

Lol, you guys act as though the NFC Least will have any relevance this season. You crack me up.

Not sure anybody claimed they will be "relevant," we are just picking who we think will win it.

I mean, no matter how bad the division is, someone will probably win it right?

RELEVANT !!!!

That’s kind of a shitty reason to follow football. Hoping someone gets injured because they talk with no filter doesn’t make much sense either. Quarterbacks like Eli Manning, who hasn’t shown a personality ever are boring.
I remember that cheap shot on McMahon. He was never the same after that and Charles Martin should have been banned from the NFL. The old NFL wasn’t as great as everyone remembers and you got a huge case of the member berries.

Well plus I got DeSean back....we all remember him?

Mostly from our fantasy stat lines.
0, 0, 70 yard td, 0, 0, 70 yard td

Naw we're just talking some ball, pretty sure everyone other than Colson knows nothing will come out of it.

Love me some DJax!

He does tend to get hurt a lot as well but when he's on the field he takes the top off the D.

Letting him walk was a huge mistake
by the Skins. And they paid more for a guy who has done less and gets hurt even more often instead. Nice move!

It all depends on if Wentz can stay healthy. Is he healthy even now?

NFC West

Rams
Seahawks
Niners
Cardinals

Goff should be better this year and hopefully is driven by that lousy Super Bowl performance. Goff looked great last season until Cooper Kupp went down with injury. Losing Kupp was a huge blow. Hopefully he stays healthy. I’m hoping that Brees loses a step seeing that he’s 40. Been thinking that Brady will drop off late in the season. Hopefully this is the Rams year.
Seattle should be good for 10 wins
I’m not sold on Garoppolo. 8-8 sounds about right
Definitely not sold on the Cardinals new coach or quarterback. It’s gonna be ugly.

I watched that game live. Great game, but the best part was seeing Tom Coughlin lose his shit after that return. Jackson was burning them that whole game and they kept kicking to him. The punter got an earful.

God I hope Patrica gets the axe this year; that would be great.

The way I see it
Nice 2 starts but they'll be .500 by week 4.
.500 by week 6
Under .500 by week 8
maybe .500 by week 10 = season over.
BUT WAIT....here come the Bungels & cardinals for 3 games at the end to lie to themselves again next season