Get real guys, the Saints should be in the superbowl, it's completely obvious.
The only thing dumber thab the whole "all blown calls are the same" is "football is wacky anything could have happened."
No. They call that Brees downs the ball the game is over. It's just that simple.
It's nothing like Ashlon Jeffrey's drop which there are a million things could have happened after; this game was over.

Now, I'm the only reason I'm bringing it up is because it was brought up I won't be shaming the rams whilst watching the SB or anything, but come on its a total hose job.

It was a bad call, and people naturally look to something external to place their blame. It feels better than saying "our team didn't do enough to win". But the truth is if one single call, no matter how egregious, can make the difference in the game, then you really didn't do enough to win.

The Saints had the game in hand. It didn't even look like it was going to be a game in the first half, and the Rams managed to be down only 3 walking into the locker room at halftime.

The other reality is you get one angle slowed down every time they show this play. If it's shown from the other direction (where one ref was standing, I'm pretty sure) and at game speed, it's a lot closer. Still bad? Yes. But I really don't like the slow-mo replays when they're used exclusively. It should be there to allow you a discerning eye at what happened, but that's a benefit they don't have on the field. It's very rare to see a replay in full speed these days.

It's so hard to find a video of anything other than the slowed down replay we've all seen a million times, that I had to find this awful video to show the original play:

You guys all have valid points. Its too bad that it happened, but nothing can change that now.

Give me a break Deacon, that's such a garbagy straw man argument.
This slow motion reply argument is piss poor. Did you know it was a PI before the replay? Because everyone else in the world did.
If you were looking at it from the refs angle from the licensing e of scrimmage it would be even worse, because the ball would be clearly behind the defender.

Again, I like both teams and don't bleed gold and po boys, but just call it what it is.
I hate the cowboys and they got screwed by the Dez catch... It's just obvious.

What catch?

People here at work are saying that if we lose to the Rams its BS. The excuses are already starting, and the game has not even been played yet.

Weak sauce.

I said "it looked like that one could have gone the other way". If he had played the ball instead of throwing himself at kamara, he could have put the Rams in great position to win right there. That angle does make it look worse than it was, especially when you slow it down x1000.

I already said it was a bad call. If I'm a saints fan, I'm gathering signatures and sending them to the only guy in the world that can overturn this - the bad guy from Billy Madison.

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Not downplaying that missed call but that ball was not going to be completed imo but forget that, the Saints let the Rams tie the game and then didn’t score in OT and let the Rams score in OT. So they had a lot of chances to win the game after that call non call.

Say whatever you may about Tom Brady he has won every OT game in the playoffs 3-0 but better yet has never relinquished a possession in OT. Meaning he knows how valuable the possession is in OT and doesn’t throw interceptions or give the ball up on downs or punts. One thing that drives me mad is when my team is in OT and they play like they’ve got a few chances so they don’t need to score.

Speaking of Billy Madison, seeing you guys argue the penalty reminds me of this.

WTF does that have to do with anything?

So I'm asking you, when they play happened did you originally think "Hmm, that's a close one, need to see the replay" or did you say "that's PI."
You keep talking aboot the replay, none of us needed the replay or slo mo to know instantly it's a penalty.

“Oh, hell yeah, that was PI,” Robey-Coleman told the Washington Post. “I just know I got there before the ball got there. And I whacked his (expletive).”

This is why Robey-Coleman is my new fave player. Own that shit....awesome.

I thought it looked like PI, but needed to see the replay.

You have to give him credit for honesty.....

It's totally old school.

Here is an interesting take. Goff has a face mask penalty that was not called the drive prior to the non call PI. So likely they would have had first and goal instead of kicking a FG.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001012747/article/rams-whitworth-on-nocall-vs-saints-its-an-excuse

Maybe the PI was more obvious so should have been called. But if you go to replay one play why not go look at face mask penalty also?

Plus Saints didn’t finish the game, maybe they were too upset or whatever but they allowed LA to score twice after that while being shut out themselves.

As Steve Ritchie would say “play better”

The old Megatron rule. Same thing happened with Jesse James in a Steelers game against the Pats last year.

He's joking of course because he's a packers fan

As a Steelers fan I immediately knew James catch wouldn't count. To me it's diff'rent than Dez's catch who takes steps and then puts the ball down and then it comes out.

Point being, a lot of teams have a bad taste in their mouth from the refs at some point. Here's one I remember.

Bottom line, our defense allowed 40+ points. Hard to blame the refs for all of them.

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The best was this one.

This was even reviewed, no cowboys near the ball and Eagles came out with the ball but no clear recovery?!?!?

You can actually see the Eagles player with the ball here.

Then Makcom Jenkins gets fined for saying the review officials should stay off the bottle.

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it was a simple personal health recommendation.

At least it didn’t cost the Eagles a playoff spot in the end, Chicago cuts Vikings out of the playoffs so Bears have to play the Eagles. It worked out for the Eagles but could have cost a playoff spot and a home playoff game.

Reid historically does have a shitty defense. He is an offense guy, and often lets the D coach run the whole other side of the ball. Doesn’t work out.

If KC had even a “decent” defense, they would have won that game hands down.

The Pats’ overall game is definitely deflating at this point.

Any comments on the point spread for the Superbowl?
Patriots r favored by 2 to 2-1/2 points.
Atlanta is closer to MA than to L.A., so will Pats hav more fans at the game, or will it b pretty even split?

Every Pats SB spread should be them by 3 points.

Do the Rams have fans at all anyway? It'll be worse than PIT vs SEA in XL.

what the heck is going on with Todd Gurley? It's like some Bizzaro world version of him lately.

with the refs, I don't even know what to think anymore. Sometimes I used to think well my guy was down before the fumble so I'm not worried about the actual call on the field. But then you have that Eagles fumble recovery which was reviewed and not reversed because no clear proof of recovery. (you mean like the Eagles actually coming out of the pile with the ball and further no Cowboy player within 3 yards of the ball at any time). So then I don't know maybe they just stick with the call on the field now. But then you have the Edelman muff punt which (IDK) that was really close could have gone either way to my eyes and they reversed the call.

One thing I've been complaining aboot for a decade (that I actually saw ONCE) is not switching cams during a review. (Oh jesus he he goes again...I know)

Why did you have to watch 8 replays back to back of edelman's punt situation? Why did we all have to hear things like "well at around this time at this angle it looks like his thumb touched it, but the other angle it's too far to the left..."

The cameras are all synced, if you're looking at cam A and it kind of looks like it's touching his thumb, you can switch to cam B at the very point to see if it's actually not touching him. This wouldn't work in every case of course, but it would work in a high number of them.
Every single week we sit through diff'rent camera angles of someone fumbling. "Was his knee down there? form the other angle you can see the ball come out here but I don't know...." Just freeze it, & switch the fucking replay cam.

He's injured.

From any one angle it could have gone either way. By looking at the multiple angles you could see they definitely got that one correct with the replay. Being such a key play it is important that they got it right.

Yeah would be nice to have split screen and bump it one frame at a time. In the end it worked out the same but just took longer.

It’s a physical game and if you leave the outcome to referees/OT then you didn’t do enough in the first place.

It will be years before anyone thinks to do something so obvious. Heck, they just recently finally placed a camera on the goal line to see if the ball crossed the plane. Remember all those replays that proved inconclusive because the funky camera angle was off.

See, I'm not convinced they did. I thought he touched it at the same time it bounced. It's not the frames everyone was focusing on, but I don't think there's indisputable evidence that he didn't touch it at that moment.

I think instant karma got the better of edelmann with that shot he took. That guy sucks.

A missed hands to the face, a quick grab of the facemask, a holding on an inside run, is not even in the same realm as a PI and a helmet to helmet when the ball is 3 yards away, in plain view with three refs with-in 10 yards watching the whole thing with nothing blocking the view.

Make yourself feel warm inside by saying " oh, that's normal, they miss play's all the time" Anyone that knows ANYTHING about football knows that was total BS and a blind man would have called PI on that play.

Can we talk more about someone giving Hilton a nut-punch? ( it did win the poll by a landslide.... )That, would make me feel much better about this whole thing.

No derailing the Saints love train.

Did anyone else see the news storyline on CBS This Morning? A kid made national headlines by creating and winning a science fair all based on a sequence of things that have happened that prove the Patriots are cheaters. He put together time lines with all the incidents over the years that lead to one conclusion, cheaters.

Great.

Cause we all know the unflinching respect your average NFL fan has for science and the opinions of young student types.

I remember when I was going to school, the winning science fair projects were on things like the human heart, earthquakes, fossils, you know. Stuff that actually involved science.

Exactly what I was thinking when Gayle King was reporting it.

www.yourteamcheats.com

Cheat Harder: the story of the New England Patriots

are Pinside Moderators allowed to troll? Not a complaint because I think the Mods on this site are excellent, just wondering...

Not a troll, but forgive me for taking sides.

Whiners never win: the story of the 2018 New Orleans Saints. ( It hurt for me to type that, but that was a missed call.)

Let's agree the Pats did bend the rules. But the fact is that Tom and Bill have won a lot even in these later years when the balls are inflated correctly etc..

Every team bends the rules.

here is a cool site where teams have documented cheating.

https://yourteamcheats.com

Filming is a no no and should have been punished. Other teams filmed to but they did not get busted.

I doubt the refs checked the balls PSI at halftime at games and if they did and the balls were off they just filled them up. Like no balls were ever above or below regulation before that Colts game? How about since? If so was the league notified and would spike a $5 million dollar investigation? Did that team that had say 2 balls below lose a 7th round draft pick because of it? 3 Balls is a 6th round pick etc....... LOL

Slightly more than your average NASCAR fan I m guessing.

Irony = NE fan questioning rules. Glad Jodester deflated that before it gained legs.