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I am not looking to ship for these. I have been looking for both of these titles for years. And yes, I do know the going rate $ for these games. I realize they are not cheap and I am willing to trade pins or very desirable arcades titles to obtain them as well. Non-working is fine... I know it's probably a long shot to find them within 200 miles (driving distance) on a pinball forum, but I have to try. 
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