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Quoted from Wolfmarsh:Welp, pretty sure NiftyLED will take more of a hit business wise than they ever would have thought because of this.
Were they really selling many to begin with? Their facebook page has 2 reviews and they are most peoples 5th at best option for LED's.
Quoted from BillySastard:Their LED's are used in all the CGC/PPS remakes.
All of the inserts are boards. That explains why my MMr was dark. I swapped all of those crappy GI bulbs out for Comet optix maximus bulbs.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:The guy knows the price of bulldogs and TVs, not pinball machines.
I do similar work sometimes for folks. Whenever more work is requested, or issues come up, THE FIRST THING I DO is talk money. The guy kept asking for things and expected it would be free? That's silly. You kept agreeing/suggesting more work and never mentioned that this crappy game was turning into a money pit? That's silly too.
What's the cost of a nice bulldog go for these days anyway? I'm looking to impress my mailman!
They range from $1200-$2600. Don't forget the 2-3K in veterinarian visits per year though. They look perfect in the front seat of a 911.
Can we all just agree that there is nothing cool about stealing pinball machines, or Porsches, or bulldogs, and at 70" you would have been better off with a projector.
Sounds like Nifty just did a really poor job about communicating what was included and never discussed prices of things that were being added. That sucks if the OP said add it but at the same time Nifty should have sent a new invoice with an updated total to be signed before any work was done or parts were ordered. That's how business works, not by vague texts messages that lead to miscommunication.
Quoted from NiftyLED:So, were at a stalemate here... what do we do? You wont discuss over text message "do whatever you want but do it while texting someone else"
Im in this machine for X - your budget is Y - what is the Z here?
Progress.........
Quoted from Whysnow:lol
bring the right guys and it never comes to violence. They are the insurance policy for that.
I have learned and witnessed this many times in real life. Bringing the right guys is usually all it takes to get things solved amicably when someone is starting a hostage negotiation
This is terrible advice and a great way to get shot. Backing people into a corner can have scary consequences.
Quoted from woody76:In all fairness, he is getting screwed pretty good. If I saw my game for sale I would have drove over to see him.
But how many guys would you bring? I picture it like The Expendables.
Quoted from Whysnow:nah, that is legal matter of multiple hundreds of thousands. They did not have any of my personal property to go take back.
This is a simple matter of a local machine and with the right friends I am sure it would be solved rather quickly.
Guessing with the character of Nifty it would go something like:
-knock on door
-nifty looks through peep hole and quickly realizes is freaked out and not opening door
-nifty calls cops to say that some big scary dudes are outside (really no other situation and if I were on the Sticky side of the door I would call cops proactively to let them know that he came to pick up his property and the guy wont let him have it, has already committed theft and fraud)
-cops arrive and Sticky and crew show cops the paperwork and explain they were just here to help his buddy load the pinball machine into his truck. They have the cash and are ready to pay the bill.
-Cops negotiate the situation to ensure the game goes home with rightful owner
Or guy is paranoid and on drugs and shoots you through the door.
The cops are not going to be involved in a civil issue of property without it going through court.
Quoted from Whysnow:you have to assess that risk/situation before you get there.
cops would cetainly try to moderate/negotiate the situation quickly around here to get resolution. With nifty posting photos on the web trying to sell the game, that is all they would need to take possession of the game if they needed to.
How exactly are you going to prove the game is yours? There is no paperwork and only an oral agreement and a few random texts. Cops have a lot better things to do and are not going to touch this.
You literally recommended showing up with a large force to intimidate Nifty into giving the game back? What happens when he says F off and get off my property? If the cops show up the only thing that may happen is you get charged with trespassing. If Nifty feels threatened or if things get heated you are on someone's property trying to take an item by force and you are very likely to get shot. This is literally how people end up dead over nothing every day of the week.
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