I didn't say anything false. You agreed on additional services. You want to pay the original price. Nifty doesn't want to eat those costs. You're fighting. You started all this up without mentioning any of the additional services (aside from the board) and painted an inaccurate story. Don't claim that things started out any differently than that, because it's all there on page one.

Don't get all angry with me. I have a 70" 4K TV too. And a dog. Oh, and 12 pinball machines! We're on the same level!

But did you give him costs associated with the 'approvals'?

You have lost a lot more money than the $1700 you think this guy owes you above and beyond by your responses here. There are a lot of people who will see this and no longer order from you, like me. I have ordered from you in the past, but after seeing how you handled this, no more. Ill just wait for things to come back in stock at comet instead of "having" to have it right away.

Honestly going to be tough since you tried to sell his game. That’s so dumb man.

Very simple way to deal with this that's been going on since ancient Egypt; old fashioned suck-off.

stalemate it is... I'm fine with going to small claims if needed

Q4T!

That $450 will be the best money he ever spent on his business...

This is terrible advice and a great way to get shot. Backing people into a corner can have scary consequences.

what about jail?

358 posts and no one on Pinside has called this a "Sticky" situation........kinda disappointed!!

What law has been broken here? please quote me the PC?

uhhh you dont know the laws in ca he wouldnt go to jail for this lol. They arent jailing anyone out here anymore.

is this really worth your business? I hope you have another job besides pinball.

sick burn

Damage is done already

I'm local let me get the game and if I can keep and play for 30 days I'll pay the $50 difference. They are eating the labor I don't think you could ask for more. Emotions I'm sure are high on both sides and possibly justified. Hey let me know.

That's true. In effect, this is all you have left.

You shouldn't be. He'll be able to sue for more than just the machine being sold for $2550. He'll be able to get damages on top of that. My landlord learned that the hard way when he refused to return my security deposit...

It really is terrible advice, but just think about how awesome it would be to show up with 10 gorillas and pound the guy out and take the game. Like something out of a movie.

damages? what damages does he have?

Holy shit...go get a cup of coffee... And give your head a shake...you posted someone else's property for sale without there consent...thats theft and fraud...

Disagree. A good mea culpa and making it right goes a long way. Everyone screws up; it’s how you handle it that truly matters in life.

My advice is to walk away from this thread for a bit. Think about what you want to do and post one more time with the plan. The heated back and forth isn’t helping either side.

Look on page one. Good morning your late to the party.

sad to see you are not smart enough to realize you could eat your lumps, appologize, and take the $2550.

The pinball community is one of the most forgiving communities I have seen. Hell, I would ever consider supporting you if you woke up and realized your screw up/ admittted it and made it right...

Probably should have tried that with the whole Predator thing eh?

*ZING*

Umm, you taking his machine and not giving it back to him for the agreed upon amount. You'll lose. And end up paying more than the extra $450 you want. But whatever, it's more entertaining for us.

My rational take on this - without the emotion:

There are two types of good deals:
- One where both parties agree they got what they expected.
- One where neither got what they expected.

There was obvious miscommunication.
So, you both should give a little.

One has gone from $4200 to $3000 to move on.
Come on Sticky, at least counter offer.
Agree to something. You both walk away feeling equally as bad.

You are just rubbing salt in the wound at this point. Reflects poorly on you.

agree with the previous comments. There will be no winners in this. Just meet in the middle at $2750 and call it a day...

This thread is like a college course in how to destroy your business.

I would never consider doing business with Nifty or anyone associated with these guys.

This is going to be an expensive lesson in business, much more than the cost of this machine or any work involved. Would have been much smarter to eat the costs and just make your customer happy.

Oh no, you're making it worse. Got at least 10 guys saying they wont buy your Led's anymore. That's just a ratio and more that dont post. You have done long term damage here and have no clue about long term effects.

I'm not a very public pinball scene person but trustworthy. My profile is there for you guys to see and will provide any info you want. Would like to help if possible.

In all fairness, he is getting screwed pretty good. If I saw my game for sale I would have drove over to see him.

Have you gone to file a police report yet? I'd recommend doing that today. Then take the police report, go to city hall, and file your small claims.

I would've agreed with this on the first page or two. But after seeing Nifty's responses? No. Hell, even the original $2550 is being generous given his attitude and the fact it took 2-3 years to complete the work.

LOL @ "the right 10 guys."

I guarantee you any posse of "10 guys" willing to come along on a stupid tough guy mission like this would be at least 80 percent idiots and hotheads. I really do picture Whysnow rolling in with a crew just like the one OJ put together and then being shocked at the Three Stooges-like outcome.

It's on the Facebook pinball for sale group too (sorry everybody else is riling these dudes up I guess I can't help it either)

Youre not at all trying to resolve this.

Youre being a brick and not moving an inch..

Ive given you a yard and you want more...

You havent disputed ever throughout this thread that you authorized every last piece of work on this game...

But how many guys would you bring? I picture it like The Expendables.

nah, that is legal matter of multiple hundreds of thousands. They did not have any of my personal property to go take back.

This is a simple matter of a local machine and with the right friends I am sure it would be solved rather quickly.
Guessing with the character of Nifty it would go something like:

-knock on door
-nifty looks through peep hole and quickly realizes is freaked out and not opening door
-nifty calls cops to say that some big scary dudes are outside (really no other situation and if I were on the Sticky side of the door I would call cops proactively to let them know that he came to pick up his property and the guy wont let him have it, has already committed theft and fraud)
-cops arrive and Sticky and crew show cops the paperwork and explain they were just here to help his buddy load the pinball machine into his truck. They have the cash and are ready to pay the bill.
-Cops negotiate the situation to ensure the game goes home with rightful owner

You're right - he hasn't disputed that he said he'd pay $2550 for all of the work you did. Yet you're dragging it on for $450. Which I believe your business could even write off as a loss, no?

And you haven't answered the repeated question - did you give him updated costs?

Realistically is it worth your time, frustration and proceeding thru the system over $200? Not to sound snobbish but that's not even the cost of a nice dinner...

I hear ya on principles... Believe me I do... But it's not worth $200 imo.....

Having dealt with small claims, I don't think this will go how you think. Besides, you'll have to sit with an arbitrator before going to see the judge anyway. The two of you can dig your heels in there, go see a judge (who is just a small timer trying to get hours in behind the gavel), and have him get upset at both of you and come up with a "split the middle" judgment that neither of you will like. You're not that far off right now, just keep working it out. Or the judge could just be a grump and just award everything to Nifty. The best scenario for you is that he'll award Nifty all hard costs. I wouldn't risk that. Find a common ground agreement here.