Evidence or not its still in the realm of possibility...... Very glad your getting your game back and hopefully its what one could expect for that kind of $$$$ laid out. Fingers Crossed.

No it’s not a possibility. They have admitted to posting HIS game for sale and said it was a bad decision to do so.

dammit man!
I read this whole thread and came accross this one. I wanted to keep that trade under wraps!

(that being said, I will still offer storage NO CHARGE at my place. but your games will be played and streamed. and taken care of too. I ain't shoppin' em though. Unless by shopping you mean replacing bulbs. Just throwing that in there so I can stay on topic. Kind of kidding, kind of not -- just PM me. I GOT YOU COVERED FOR ALL YOUR STORAGE NEEDS!)

Also, I'm really sorry to hear about this whole thing. It makes me sad as a person to see, for everyone involved. I know none of the story except what's been posted here so I won't claim to, but yeah..it makes me sad.

Ok then..... I did not see reason to read threw 1k posts. THX

If thats the case I would be VERY hesitant of paying and shipping that game. Too many variables.

Instead is there any chance of having him buy you out to what you have invested.

There is a heck of a nice one in MD with all new parts..... Just a thought.

I grabbed a couple snack size Hershey bars out of the fridge last night and started to read this thread. Couldn't post last night because I ended up with a stomachache after reading all 18 pages and consuming the entire bag. What can I say, I don't really like popcorn.

I'm just about finished the restoration on my Vampire, and even working two jobs I was able to get it done in under 7 months. And I don't run a pinball company, and it was just me working on it the entire time by myself. And for the record, my playfield was touched up and clearcoated professionally. Not going to clog this thread up with photos of an unrelated game, but many of you have seen the playfield pics in my resto thread. And it was done at an excellent price, and doesn't exhibit the imperfections on this guy's Playboy. And truth be told, I think I'm at about $2,500 on my resto, which includes buying the game for $850 from a fellow Pinsider and paying my buddy $300 to drive to Louisville to get it for me back then. Of course, that doesn't consider the countless hours of labor I've put in.

This is a community, and some days it gets frustrating, like any community. Some people, names not mentioned, always post negatively in threads on here. We know who they are. What I don't get is if they think Pinside sucks so bad, why do they continue to be on it? Leave, because ironically you are the problem, not everyone else.

The reality is if this thread was started with a dispute about the price, it would've never blown up like the mess it is. Nifty listed the OP's game for sale on at least two different media outlets, that is where it became the gigantic issue and the OP got upset.

The second reality is Nifty could have come on here and disputed his side of the story clearly, reasonably, with evidentiary support. This is a community he serves, and in all likelihood, makes money from. The way it was handled was the complete opposite, and he had to throw out other falsehoods that just made it look worse.

Now his business is going to feel the effects over assumably a measly $2000… I just don't understand what the tactic was there.

I have two relatives now in the hospital, so I wanted to thank Pinside for giving me something to read that took my mind off of everything else going on, at least for a short while.

I contacted these guys @orangecountypinball.com to repaint the same 1978 playboy after the OP did.
They told me they were restoring one at the time(the op's). I intended to call the brick and mortar Orange county pinballs and didnt like their name being so close to Evan's business after I was fooled into calling them because of same name and same city when looking up the business on the internet. I chose another company to do the work even though these guys with a questionable name gave me a better timeframe. I got mine back a long time ago and my granddaughter didnt like
the artwork so it had to go. After I played it awhile. A LONG TIME AGO. Geez.
What if I had let them work on mine? I felt personally insulted when he offered you 800 or so for it. Not hard for me to put myself in your position because I was almost there, but would have been in line after you. But after 24 hours and seeing the shape of playfield pics, I would take the money. Seriously. I sold mine for 2800 with a nice playfield. Only your chrome looked nicer. I would have trouble keeping the machine because of their shenanigans. The market for these are hit and miss. I would find it more fun to watch these clowns try to sell it on eBay. Add a little more to your 3600 and buy a better pin. We all know you can afford it. jk

5000 pesos

As part of the community I think it is warranted to tell you that your friendship appears to be clouding your judgement on this matter. We get it, nobody likes to see the true colors of a friend/s when they do something like this to another person in the community. It can be tough on our own psyche as we have to cope with the idea that we missed seeing whom a person really is after we invested time and energy into the friendship.

I think you should take a step back and look at the big picture here:
1> restorer took YEARS to "restore" this game.
2> quality is flat out crap. The pf touchups and entire restoration are unprofesssional and they are charging professional prices. i.e. IMHO they are a scam from day 1 and looking for suckers that are new to restoration thatdont have an eye on what to look for.
3>they are the business and the ones responsible for good communication. They need to protect their butts and ensure they have happy customers. They caused this entire situation to happen and strung along a customer for years.
4>they factually stole the game and tried to sell it after attempting to extort even more funds from a member of the community
5>they had an opportunity to apologize and make it right, but instead they continued to toss it all in the face of the community as a whole
6>after coming to the negotiation and deciding that they would accept $2850 (still WAY too damn much for such a poor restoration), they then delete and run from the situation.
7> to top it all off they start demanding and additional $100 per day storage fee.
8> If that game does not get exchanged for $2850 to the OP with as little hassle as possible and in the exact condition it was before this shitnado started, then they need to be ousted from the community and their business should go down in flames.

You are missing the whole point that there is a community here and in fact they are a big part of what appears to have brought some semblance of sense to your friends to final back down off the hostage negotiation with unreasonable demands.

If they dont make this good then I think the community should continue to make a concerted effort to ensure CGC stops using them for remakes and put the final nail in their coffin.

Seriously, step back... look at all the things your "friends" did and ask yourself if they are still people you want to associate with as friends.

exactly hahaha

Beautiful restore! Much more interesting thread IMO.

... But there’s alllllllllways room for one more.

(said in Haunted Mansion voice)

sent you a pm regarding help.

Long Live TPP!
This is all a huge ploy to take down Jeff and Jessica and that'll never happen!
Do you hear me God?!?!?!?

That comment made me laugh out loud. Too dam funny...........still laughing

I think with pick up and delivery updates, this thread can hit 1000 posts by the end of the day!
Popcorn in hand with a Redbull to wash it down, I can't beleive I slept through part of this last night!!

GL Sticky !!

#teamsticky

Coming from you that's hilarious! How anyone hasn't seen Animal House at least 5 times is beyond me....

I did. And it was well written.

Sam Harvey is close by in Pomona. He has a minivan... Call him. PM me if you need his number. He is not on pinside,nor does he email or text.

I almost want to book a flight, rent a car, come and grab the money, go get the game and bring it back to you and set it up just so I can see how this plays out in person. And so I can help you inspect the game. If I wasn't dealing with other stuff right now, and it wasn't a few days before Christmas, I'd be packing a bag and heading to Philly International post haste.

You seem to have some kind of misguided notion that a "community" is always a positive entity.

Daniel is 100% in the wrong here. Had he not taken the douche-tastic move of trying to sell the game, I'd have put some of the blame on the OP, but that was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Once he pulled that crap, it was very transparent what kind of "business" he was running. OP has acted in a reasonable fashion; Daniel has not.

Screw that guy. I'm making it my life's mission to disparage his business at every opportunity I get. THAT'S what he's earned for his prideful behavior. Enjoy your bed; you made it and now you get to sleep in it.

I didnt get anything done yesterday....I hope the transaction completes quickly with no drama so I can be a little more productive today...

Sounds like he wants to make sure the machine won't be inspected. Just pay for it blindly and load it up.

If I was the op, I would man up and go get the game myself.

Pm sent

It was well written even if I didn’t agree with all of it it. I hope you get your pin today and can enjoy the rest of the holidays with this behind you.

Maybe I’m just old fashioned, but this is the season to forgive. They screwed up big time. Bordering on criminal. But it’s the season to forgive and move past (once you get your pin that is)

Happy Holidays

Marc

That's a RAM Controls kind of move there.

So, I assume that Nifty and Sticky aren't each others Secret Santa.

Oh crap, another day not getting anything done but reading this thread.

Technically I'm "off" today but I came in, told the boss I'm a figment of his imagination, and here I am reading though this again!!

Since the Pinball Amigo's aren't doing updates until tomorrow, this thread fits my schedule perfectly.

It's the thread that keeps on giving

Yes, let's let this rest until the machine is in your hands, please.....

Always conduct business in a businesslike manner.

ALWAYS

A handshake business deal is a ticking bomb.

If your sister borrows $500 from you, get an signed IOU. If she doesn't like it, too bad.

Save yourself a lot of heartache.

No need to take them down. Don left and that did it for me.

Second that...I had to come in, but luckily I see tumbleweed rolling around and hear faint western movie music playing in the background at my firm today, so I'm game.

You've got two Porsche's. You can afford to upgrade to Pinside Plus. Unlimited posts!! (all in good fun, of course)