I'm not sure what you are proposing. Do you mean to have the minimum score be 10 points rather than 1 point?

Personally, I find it deliciously refreshing that they have implemented a scoring system that makes sense. I think having a minimum score of 10 or 100 points makes as much sense as having a minimum score of 0.1 or 0.01 points.

it is a discussion from another thread about adding 1 or 2 zeros to the end of the score so that people "feel better" about getting 78,500,000 (or 7,850,000) instead of 785,000 on Wizard of Oz (and possibly The Hobbit)

No

You can do whatever you want, as long as I don't have to play it.

Wow aren't you clever.

Ditto.

No, please not

no need

Just add a zero to the end of your score if it makes you feel better

I really like the lower scores. In fact, I think the better question is whether we should get code updates for other machines to take away zeros as a setting.

We suck as a people if these are our concerns....MAN I love being American...!!!... ...............Joey

I think points should start at one million and we all get trophies...these days why does everything have to make everyone a winner, there can't be winners without losers or it is just masturbation....

This is one of the reasons I have the dry erase board with scores in my gameroom. People can see what others have scored to get an idea of what's typical for different games. Plus, they can record their personal best to try to improve on it.

I'd like it to score even lower like an old EM.

These scores that are into the billions are too hard for beginners to even fathom.

If WOZ is supposed to attract women and children to start playing pinball, the lower the scoring, the better.

Simple, if you like high scoring games (3MM plus), then don't buy JJP.

I like the games that if you get 1000 pts, it's a big deal.

I agree with the idea of rough standardization. This was partially true in the 80s with arcade games. 1 million was considered a great score on many games. I think this would be a great standard for all games.

You have the power to suggest, not request.

if the scoring is balanced, who cares

in some games a shot can score millions
which makes every shot that doesn't, kinda pointless

IMHO every shot should count

couple of extra zeros could really help tie the pin together......er I might be in the wrong thread

If you're even mildly involved in the hobby, you should know that modern games have very different scoring. If you have a total noob at your house, a good time to teach them about this is when they're walking up to your hobbit. Just say that the game has lower scoring than other games and that they should check the high scores to see what a good score is. If they don't know how to check high scores, that doesn't take long to teach either.

I've been playing for decades and I tend to remember the accomplishments rather than the scores. I've rolled lots of EM's. I've ruled the universe numerous times. Things like that. Scores all become a blur after a while.

That was due to technological limitations. The differences we get now should be appreciated, not 'fixed. Bowling and darts have fixed scoring. Pinball doesn't. And that's a good thing. As the French say, Viva La Difference.

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It's just a survey folks. Nobody demanding anything.

For my opinion...I personally really like the scoring. One thing I don't care for on my ToM is that I can walk up to it and get a billion. I don't feel like I'm earning every point. I feel like I get millions thrown at me left and right to the degree that it becomes meaningless.

Well, the poll is close.

Just draw a 0 on the right side of your display! BOOM, all scores multiplied by 10. Easy fix.

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Except of course for the small matter of the hundreds of EMs that will need their backglasses redesigned to accommodate a dozen scoring reels.

Seriously? Most people with a basic grasp of how ball games work will realise that if they keep the ball in play for a while and hit the targets they're trying to hit, then they're doing well.

If you require more zeros on the end of your score to feel good about yourself, you might want to stop looking at the scoreboard and instead spend more time taking a long hard look at yourself.

Just sayin'.

I don't see why they don't make it an option for people to adjust as they like.

the thought of rebuilding 48 decagon reels (let alone 48 rat trap reels) in one shot isn't a pleasant one...

Okay...but how do you compare high scores? I scored a million on mine, but DarkWizard scored a billion on his. He wins!

Makes no sense.

You like a low scoring pin, go buy a EM. I like the higher scores on the newer machines.

Agreed! What Vid said.

You can't ever really compare.

Guys will come to my house and get their all time high score on my AFM, even though they have their own at home.

Many games have crappy flippers, the wrong inclination, old dead rubber, cupped inserts, Novus instead of wax....

Even 'back in the day' when I'd deploy 4 Gorgars or 4 Black Knights side by side, fresh from the box, there would be slight differences between them.

I like the lower scoring on WOZ as points seem more meaningful in the game. In other games a 100 million is just an average score. A 100 million seems like a crazy amount of points in general. In WOZ a million point game is a very good game.

Can't compare anyway. When I had Tron I adjusted the ball save up. That really invalidated my scores.

That's minor. The old pinball high scores website had columns for tilt settings and other notes. Like a long ball saver. Adding zeros isn't minor.

I like the way WOZ scores. It's an homage to a simpler time, and it was intentional. As WOZ was being designed and built they were giving lots of thought to all kinds of things like that. Even the number plate on the ECLE is a reminder of an old school EM scoring reel. And there are probably tons of little touches in it that I don't even know after owning one for over a year. No games scoring is equivalent to another copy of that game. If a friend says he achieved some scoring goal I always understand that is on a specific game. Even moving a game can change it.

So I guess I like the lower scores of WOZ. Mine sits right next to my Demo Man, which has crazy scoring. I don't need to change either of them to know what a good score is. Just like I don't need to add zeros to me EMs to make them relate.

It's kind of a wash isn't it? What purpose would it serve? Other than maybe make you think that you're better than you really are, but, it doesn't do that either...since someone will always win with a higher score anyway.

I want to see consistency between manufactures. JJP needs to keep the scoring the same on The Hobbit as on Wizard of Oz. That way if you have 1 million point game on a JJP machine you know that was a pretty good score. Same holds true for Pats game that is coming soon.

In economic terms, it is the real value versus the nominal (think Mexican pesos). When comparing performances between players in a specific game, assuming the same code, the same number of balls, the same Out lane settings, the same physical pitch, the same playfield wax/slackness/speed, and the same game settings, then the numbers mean something. When comparing scores between different games with different manufacturers in different times, the nominal numbers are absolutely irrelevant. To expect competing manufacturers to apply some sort of scoring across multiple games is at best nonsensical, and more realistically, simply naive. Even the same manufacturer (JJP) may have various motivations for the number of zeros it places behind a ramp or switch score. It is simply beyond the sophistication of the hobby to rationally compare the scoring of TH to WOZ to TWD.
I wish the pinball world could do better, but it cannot and it will not. Enjoy and embrace the games that you love and don't sweat this issue. Encourage play among the faithful and let this thread fade away.

I'm surprised that this is so one sided. I personally don't really care for the small scoring, it doesn't fit with the rest of the game. It's like:

next gen LCD
next gen LED lighting
ground breaking animations
EM scoring?

It just doesn't fit. Yes yes scoring is all relative and what does it matter, well the first thought that comes to my head when I see my score is why does my 2015 game have a score from 1975? It makes sense on Big Juicy Mellons or something like that.

It just isn't consistent with everything else. Not that things have to be consistent, but from games after AFM till about now things are pretty consistent scoring wise, where you'd get about a million for doing nothing after 3 balls, 5 to 10 with minor success, and so on and so forth...breaking a billion on any game was a miracle for the most part. Williams/Stern shared the same path there.

So to break from that consistency, for me there has to be a reason...why? I don't get it. Why reduce the scoring into this bizarre place that no game since the EM era has had? What is there to gain? It seems like it:

a) creates initial confusion for new players
b) creates initial confusion for existing players

I don't see any positives from the move other than to be different for the sake of being different, but that's just me.