Phew! For a second there I thought you said Teekee!

So agree all the adult themed stuff belongs in its own private sub-forum if it has to exist here at all. It's a shame that it's permitted on the forum in the first place.

I don't think you have been paying attention.

OK I need to call something out here. Way too much casual usage of the word "misogyny".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misogyny

Really? Are there really a lot of posts here that express a HATRED of women?
The occasional sexist joke, or appreciation of the female form, or acknowledgement that Homo sapiens is a sexually dimorphic primate species with observed differing behaviors between the sexes is not
HATRED of women.

The art on Woah Nellie is not HATRED of women.

Remember Dr. Matt Taylor and his shirt (made by a woman!). Do we really want to give a foothold to people to come in and attack say, Dennis Nordman and Greg Freres the way they did Dr. Taylor?

Are you calling Bowen a woman? (KIDDING, this is a joke!)

Let's keep this civil. First, I'm sorry if I offended you. Truce?

I'm all for creating a comfortable environment where everyone is free to speak their minds, as I've stated in my prior posts.

All Im saying is making blanketed generalizations on behalf of YOUR IDEA (or someone's idea) of women is in and of itself a sexist statement.

I agree, I don't think staying silent about it is important, as I stated earlier, creating dialogue is the best way to combat the issue.

The TILT option is, for the third time now, a great feature to combat what is subjectively offensive, and the forums are a great place to engage in constructive dialogue about the issues.

So pezpunk, would you like to team up and TILT subjectively offensive posts together?

If only one positive thing comes out of this thread, I put the above-referenced pin on my wish list, and if my wife had a pinside account, she would as well. It's gotta be in good condition though, with no wear on the naughty bits.

Nobody's attacking Whoa Nellie or Dennis or Greg.

Note to self: Book next vacation in Ontario, Canada.. then buy a good metal detector.

I'll tell you why. Because scantily clad ladies have adorned the artwork on pinball machines for more than half a century. It is part of pinball culture.

If I had my way that's how my game room would look all the time. Women are very welcome here, in bikinis or not.

Not only do women have equal rights to walk around without shirts in Ontario, but prostitution is legal too.

It's like a little slice of Europe in North America....

Pictures of attractive women and raunchy humor are not a message that women are not welcome. There are plenty of women who appreciate cheescake art and raunchy humor.

+1

I never said they were on topic. I do like them though. Pictures and the live versions.

Also, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Texarkana as a matter of fact. Next few nights in the DFW Metroplex. In town for the Cotton Bowl as Ballykid goes to Michigan State. Hope to play some pinball in the Lone Star State and hit Rudy's BBQ.

Already had my In N Out Burger fix.

I love the Bon Voyage backglass. Even the flight attendant who shows some "snow". Sam Harvey had a spare one when I saw him a month ago. Too bad I flew in that trip as I had no way to get it home with me. Maybe if I drive in like I did this past June..

Same here. One of my favorites. Hope somebody doesn't start a movement to destroy all these classic pieces of Americana just because they are no longer politically correct.

Yet. Pray that certain people continue to be unaware of its existence and how "problematic" it is.

I disagree with the "ugly bitches" line as well as the "get back in the kitchen" comment. Both are so wrong.

Bon Voyage backglass just got a tilt warning. LOL!!!!!!

I think the above statement sums up my opinion.

I would love to be able to check Pinside during breaks at work, but behind the government firewall I simply can't. I'm not saying we should censor things, the "tilt" function is pretty cool. What I am saying is that a lot of people here need grow up a little and clean up their posts.

No, a picture of a woman's crotch with a "insert coin here" belt buckle above it in response to a post about how a donation should be made got the tilt. That's a big difference from, for example, a picture of the whole backglass in a thread about favorite EM backglasses (or whatever).

Nobody wants to destroy backglasses, but the focus of the content and the context it is in makes a difference as to what it means.

Lots of people saying pinside needs to grow up.

Lol.

It's a pinball website. If we grew up we would cease to exist.

I'll give you the first one as potentially misogyny (although it would be dependent on speaker and tone)
The second two are definitely sexist, but not necessarily misogynist.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sexism

And that was the main point of my post. Don't say misogyny when you mean sexism. Especially when referring to definition 2.

behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex

Now whether those stereotypes are or not true, or are rooted in biology, is a different conversation, one on which reasonable people can disagree. But it is disingenuous to hold that anyone who has any amount of sexism actively HATES ALL WOMEN, and that's why I have such a problem with people throwing around the M word.

There, fixed it for ya. Bon Voyage!
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You're splitting hairs. Reinforcing sexism is expressing hatred for women as far as I'm concerned, especially when one has to run to the dictionary to defend themselves as merely descriminating against them and reducing them to sex objects, not hating them. Sorry if I don't really appreciate the distinction.

Good god. Beautiful women have and will always be a part of pinball culture.
If any person realizes a topic on here that might offend them, then they shouldn't click on it.

Where is this? I think they passed that law because there are only 15 days out of the year where it's warm enough for people to walk around with their shirts off.

No matter what the topic, or where it's at, your always going to have someone that disagrees with this or that. Can't please everyone.

Sex sells, and sex has sold and been a target advertisement for as long as pinball has been around. The artwork reflects it through the generations. So to say that sex and pinball don't go hand in hand, would be like saying beer and nudity really arn't associated as well. Or cars.

SACRILEGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My bad

Congratulations on your prescience. Must be awful damn convenient to know every post in a thread prior to opening it! Guess that explains your username there, Powder!

Vid was that you going topless next door to me the other day?

So this is my 10 year old working on the Gorgar display. It sure would be nice if he could maybe come onto Pinside and find the answer to his question about a pinball repair. Todays kids are exposed to a lot more than we ever were, but I would have to forbid it. Why? It is not the occasional woman in a bikini or lingerie. No that is all around us everyday. My worry is that some moron posted a gif of someone humping a pinball machine, or other vulgar act. He does not need to see that. I am not a prude and enjoy nudity as much as the next guy. But when I joined this pinball group I agreed to leave that crap at the door. Heck, we all agreed to leave that out of our postings. But apparently there is a whole group that has the maturity level of Beavis and Butthead and just cant control themselves. It is very sad that this type of behavior exists on this site.
Mark

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"Hot chicks love the game. It's only the insecure broads crying over cartoons."
"If they can't take a joke, get back in the kitchen."

Neither of these statements reduce women to sex objects.

One expresses the opinion that an attractive woman is less likely than an unattractive woman to find certain art offensive, in un-PC language. Nothing about anyone being a sex object. Simply someone's hypothesis based on his personal observations.

The second statement certainly argues in favor of traditional gender roles, but not everyone who believes in traditional gender roles necessarily HATES women.

That's amazing that a 10 year old is interested and knows how to service pins. My 11 year old is lazy and really stupid..... I think he gets that from his mother.

Granted, I mostly lurk and rarely post, in large part due because I feel that the lax moderation leads to lots of trolling and noise. If you dismiss my opinion because of that then fair enough. But just to be clear, I registered in August 2013, and I do not have any other accounts here. I'm not sure where you got the idea that my account is three hours old. Maybe you are looking at the last login date instead of the creation date.

I laughed so hard coffee came out my nose

Someone earlier had the idea of "kid mode" which would disable the ability to unhide a tilt. If this was an available option, and if self-tilting things like that was enforced, would that solve your issue if you could sign him up for his account in that "kid mode"?

Got some PM's with suggestions and views from both sides of the argument. Some saying: don't destroy our fun! Others saying: please help keep Pinside about pinball and less noise!

I think some people misinterpreted some of my comments on this thread. I'm definitely not saying that I'm not going to do anything about the concerns that have been raised today (and also over the past months albeit in a less public setting). On the contrary. I care a lot but I'm simply trying to find a middle ground that works best everybody.

What I'm NOT gonna do is create a sub-forum as some sort of free haven inviting people to post raunchy pics and go all out with their memes and stuff. For starters, I feel responsible for the content on Pinside and secondly, I simply don't want to support such an environment.

Having to make a choice I would rather go for a somewhat stricter rules on what is allowed to be posted and what not. I know this is the unpopular choice, but so be it.

Looking back, a couple of years ago posting nudity on Pinside was considered okay. Heck, as many of you early Pinsiders know, the biggest endorser of such content (although always in the off topic section) was our first moderator! Back then, we had 150 members. Now we have nearly 25,000 and along with that growth we need to be a bit more considerate towards each other. If we can't, the growth of Pinside will be unsustainable. When we decided to forbid posting nudity there was a small uproar but it was quickly accepted and people moved on.

I hope that all the attention from this thread will bring some awareness of the existing tools on Pinside for controlling potentially offensive content. I will evaluate, and invite all of you to send in your ideas and thoughts on the matter via PM or in this thread. Personally I don't think it would hurt to have somewhat stricter rules of what is allowed and what not, especially when many posts do little more than trying to be funny at the expense of the thread subject and -even worse- at the expense of others.

To be continued.

Hi ctx - you waited 4 months and just jumped right into the middle of "it" -Welcome!!

you are correct...my apologies

I totally agree with this statement. I love boobs but they have no place in a pinball thread (unless associated with a machine) except to convey the above as Aurich stated.

My main concern is that we don't do anything to make women feel unwelcome since I truly appreciate their presence at tournaments and leagues. My wife plays and I want to see the continued increase in female participation.

I will say that the vibrator gif on the "Machines women like" thread was funny and kind of on topic for a thread which genuinely was listing machines women like. The silly thing about that thread is the thought that women like different pinball machines then men do.

As Coasterguy has said, let's just keep it classy.

Your math is off...

And for those that don't follow the rules?

Edit- I was going to post Gorgar's backglass, but I have done enough damage here.
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I'm not comfortable with my ten year old on the internet unsupervised, personally. I don't have a problem with the T&A, the language, or the discussions that I've specifically seen on Pinside. It's when you get into the animal sex, the darker areas of sex (S&M, etc), abuse (WTH is wrong with all the folks posting that shit on Facebook and thinking that it's completely okay, anyways?), etc that I start wondering if I want to burden his brain with this shit yet.

Minecraft? Sure. Team Fortress? He's done fine - just wish I could convince him to get off the minecraft trader servers. Pokemon? Not a problem. Club Penguin? Him and my five year old play together, which is adorable. Forums of any kind? Hahahahha. Not yet.

For example, there was a nice ass picture on the infamous hottest girls thread. They (both my boys) walked by and asked why I was looking at a picture of a girl's butt. I said I wasn't, I was reading a thread and someone had posted it. One of them made a poop joke, the other one goes "Ewwww", runs with the poop joke and the next thing I know I hear "Mommy's friends like poop" as they walk away.

Anyone that lets a ten year old on the internet unsupervised should not have an opinion in this matter. I'll never forget a few years back when my buddy's wife was looking for a fishing rod for his birthday. I was over his house and she googled Dick's Sporting goods. Man what a search result she got......