I noticed this last year and sent a note to Stern about it in fall of last year. The response was that they weren't aware of it but would try to find the issue and test it out in a new build of code. The callouts are cool for the record.

There is another bug that I mentioned as well (might be common knowledge but I haven't read it here) that they were already aware of and needed to alter and bug test the code revision: If super pops is running, a left orbit shot all the way around will trigger the up-post and award right orbit awards (ie - CLU and lightcycle if lit) as soon as the Zeus spinner is triggered. This is not working as intended.

I would prefer not to. Neither problem is game breaking imo and being that the last update Lyman pushed out was totally a favor to fans, I have no grudge to hold against Stern for Tron code.

For the record they (and therefore I) never said they would fix it. There was talk of working on the left orbit glitch in a test build of code one weekend, and I was asked to elaborate on the LE callouts that aren't being used on the Pro so they could be looked into at the same time. Nothing more.

As an aside, the biggest TRON glitch/feature that has generated some heat now and again is the double scoring on the end-of-ball bonus. Most people don't realize it, but if you drain with double scoring active, your end of ball bonus is doubled, and it's AFTER the Gem multipliers are applied. There is no announcement or callout for this, and some folks believe this is 100% a bug. It can result in massive unplanned scoring if you have some good game progress and a bunch of GEM shots racked up.

Ha no kidding! I wondered if you'd pop in on my mentioning that... was pretty sure you and I went around this issue before

I personally don't call it a bug, but some felt it was/is due to the unannounced 'stealth' nature of the doubling, the fact it effective doubles your bonus multipliers, and the fact its basically unheard of to have playfield double scoring apply to a bonus in any modern machine. I have doubled bonuses of over 30+ million in private play; Adding that to even a decent TRON score is certainly non-trivial.

This is obviously rare in practice, and I don't think anyone will drain intentionally but therein lies the oddity in my eye... it's a potentially huge payout on a relatively tame-scoring machine that no one will (should?) intentionally go for - so why does it need to exist? With TRON as a game where there are very few huge payouts (unlike MET or ACDC) it is a bit weird to see the potential for a 10-30 million point windfall for accidentally draining at the right time.

I 100% guarantee it's legit in current code but you really have to pay attention (and do math) to catch it. I too wouldn't be overly impressed losing to it.

EDIT: Found our old rodeo
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tron-rules-questions#post-1964117

Thus we can end this bonus tangent I shouldn't have started here and get back to the LE/Pro soundclip issue

Agreed on all fronts lol, but the orbit thing is 100% unintended sadly.

Not to say I don't leverage it...

Your situation is common in tournament play, but I would counter with: why would you drain to collect the points when you have 20+ seconds of double scoring, and an indefinite amount of ball time to acquire the points easily enough? Even if you don't cover the full 6 mil spread during double scoring, you should easily cover 3 mil, which means if you drain outside of 2x scoring, you're still good. Until your bonus is unreal high (uncommon in a tournament TRON imo) the drain-to-win idea is a poor choice when you have control of the ball.

There are many times in tournament play when you have bonus to cover a winning spread, but I would personally NEVER count on the drain to award them - could be a malfunction on older games (which often have double bonus options that you should be aware of, but not count on), or some unplanned rule or over sensitive tilt mechanism that prevents you from collecting the bonus.

Its almost universally a better to play as long as possible, and use the bonus (or in the case of TRON the bonus + 2X scoring time) to breathe easy and play relaxed, and push your score higher with your own play.

Just my opinion.

Yeah but drain =/= tilt. I would argue that if you can't discipline yourself on not tilting a potential win you should practice it (I know I for one needed to learn it). As far as the malfunction analogy, the issue is if you have a bonus malfunction its very hard to prove it or compensate it without footage, concrete witnesses, or some other proof, and even then some tourneys might consider it a minor malfunction and play on. Conversely a machine that is tilt malfunctioning without you inducing it it will be easy to troubleshoot and prove, so as long as YOU don't tilt, theres nothing to really worry about - I've played some seriously tilt sensitive machines and with practice and discipline I can honestly say I've never felt cheated by a tilt that happened when I did "nothing".

For me, knowing your bonus is enough for the win means you don't go for any saves (not even a nudge - let the ball go where it may) not that you take your hands off the flippers and walk away. By draining to collect bonus you are trusting the code and the machine and your complete knowledge of both; I now trust my ability to not tilt more than a strange machine. It's personal preference at the end of the day, but I use the bonus as a buffer or a backup, not as the win-button - I always try to play to the win, and if I drain I pull my hands off the machine to avoid a tilt and hope all is awarded properly.

Tron is still an anomaly in this with the 20 second double scoring thing as you are actually surrendering points by playing on. I cant say I would 100% NOT consider draining to collect it... That is kinda why some people feel it's a glitch.

Agreed