OMG! I may have a never used Williams MM!

I bought this Medieval Madness at an estate sale sight unseen - good price. Just got it today and it looks like it has never been played. Play field way dirty - obviously from sitting. The art work is prestine and the innards look untouched. The shooter hole has some marks, so maybe I am wrong, but it could just be dirt. But the big thing is a caution sticker on top that would have come off after time.

I bought with the intent to sell, because I already have one. Now, I need to truly evaluate. Anyone know how to tell for sure if this have never been used?

I am just so jazzed at the prospect this could be a brand new machine.

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#2 8 years ago

GRV

GravitaR

Pinside member

Saginaw, MI

12y 129K 2,920 31 71

Easy way to tell if never used is to look at the coil sleeves in the flipper coils.

#3 8 years ago

CDG

gambit3113

Pinside+ Frequent

15y 129K 6,515 9 98

Those decals stay on over time. I have all the original warranty and warning decals on my CV. That MM looks to be in great shape, but there is wear on the shooter lane. Not bad, but evidence of plenty of play.

#4 8 years ago

BAR

iwantansi

Pinside member

10y 63,550 1,831

Definitely used, albeit nice condition. Congrats on the pickup

#5 8 years ago

CRS

Bulldog1008

Inactive member

Thank you ... I am not the most technical. If I lift up the play field, I should look where the flipper buttons are?

#6 8 years ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

Crazy Levi's Pinball

New York, NY

10y 148K 33,555

I don't see any signs of location use. Looks great. Lack of wear at the coin slots is a big deal.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LOCKDOWN BAR THINGEEES?!

They shipped that way from the factory idiot. And that security hasp isn't a lockdown bar.

Why am I having this conversation with myself?

#7 8 years ago

CRS

Bulldog1008

Inactive member

Bummer ... Thx folks

#8 8 years ago

LAW

dung

Pinside member

12y 86,050 5,580 6 30

Has light use, but its been used. Still worth a good chunk and hard to find in that condition. Grats

#9 8 years ago

SBS

o-din

Pinside+ Addict

11y 158K 58,802

I wonder if MMr comes with this sticker.

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#10 8 years ago

CRS

Bulldog1008

Inactive member

Thx for the mic reply Crazylevy.

#11 8 years ago

MLH

DylanFan71

Pinside member

Saginaw, MI

11y 105K 1,632 17 6 1

What a find. Looks great. Congratulations!

#12 8 years ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

Crazy Levi's Pinball

New York, NY

10y 148K 33,555

check also for dirty fingerprints underneath the coin box/front bottom of cabinet.

HUO games never have those.

#13 8 years ago

KAW

viper001

Pinside+ Frequent

11y 73,650 962 15

If the batteries have not died you could check the total game play audits?

#14 8 years ago

LAW

Law

Inactive member

9y 87,800 1,320 124

It seems strange to me that with that much mildew on *some* of the stickers, there's no rust or pitting on the legs, ramp flaps, or anywhere that I can tell. The security bar bracket is also installed backwards.

#15 8 years ago

YZF

yzfguy

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12y 146K 11,175 7

If you were on the east coast, I would be pm ing you with trade offers Beautiful game!

#16 8 years ago

CDG

gambit3113

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15y 129K 6,515 9 98

Quoted from Law:
It seems strange to me that with that much mildew on *some* of the stickers, there's no rust or pitting on the legs, ramp flaps, or anywhere that I can tell. The security bar bracket is also installed backwards.

Yeah. I have looked at these pics several times in the past 10 minutes, and don't quite get what I am looking at. Some stuff looks like it has been pretty thoroughly routed or stored in a rough place. But the parts that matter look damned near immaculate.

#17 8 years ago

epthegeek

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Muskego, WI

11y 141K 7,532 11

Probably got it for a song too, ya jerk!

I mean, congrats on the score

#18 8 years ago

CBM

spfxted

Pinside member

Saddle River, NJ

12y 147K 24,661 4 9

Nice score!!

#19 8 years ago

ROB

rcbrown316

Pinside+ Addict

Webster, NY

9y 81,300 3,688 22 10

OP
Quoted from Bulldog1008:
Bummer ... Thx folks

don't get hung up on that man. what you have there is a VERY nice original MM. wanna sell it?

#20 8 years ago

T V

Olddragon

Pinside member

11y 66,050 636 4 9

It certainly has been played, but, wow! Great find! Congrats!

#21 8 years ago

CRS

Bulldog1008

Inactive member

mire photos ... Sure looks unused

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#22 8 years ago

CRS

Bulldog1008

Inactive member

Thx everyone ... I appreciate the feedback.

#23 8 years ago

WYO

Ballsofsteel

Inactive member

Riverton, WY

12y 73,550 2,923 7 81

looks sweet! now play the hell out of it and get it dirty!

#24 8 years ago

RYE

Pimp77

Pinside member

20y 92,650 6,275 78

Definitely used, but likely light HUO! Still a major score, congrats!

#25 8 years ago

SKN

Skins

Star Pinball Restoration

12y 101K 4,375 47

It's used but in pristine condition. Very nice pickup. Congrats

#26 8 years ago

MJA

Mitch

Pinside member

Wellesley, ON

10y 131K 5,030 18 38

Now that you have the glass off and the playfeild up Where are the shooter lane and flipper bats pics?

#27 8 years ago

TPD

teekee

Pinside member

Canton, OH

14y 104K 6,065 11 13 2

Definitely looks HUO to me…

#28 8 years ago

CRS

Bulldog1008

Inactive member

Here are pics of bats and lane .... There is a lot of dirt from sitting, but does look used. The electronics are sure clean.

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#29 8 years ago

MJA

Mitch

Pinside member

Wellesley, ON

10y 131K 5,030 18 38

Very nice! Definitely has plays but looks like not many at all. Great find! So are you keeping this one and selling you other one now?

#30 8 years ago

CDG

gambit3113

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15y 129K 6,515 9 98

You keep saying used. Do you literally mean "used" at all - like never had a game played on it? Or do you mean Home Use Only? That machine might be a HUO machine. I could see that. The shooter lane is the only thing I see with any wear on it. But there is definitely plenty of evidence that it has been played before.

#31 8 years ago

epthegeek

Pinside member

Muskego, WI

11y 141K 7,532 11

Quoted from Mitch:
Very nice! Definitely has plays but looks like not many at all. Great find! So are you keeping this one and selling you other one now?

Would be foolish not to, unless the other one is a recent HEP restore or something.

#32 8 years ago

LLV

lllvjr

I would say u may have a case for home use only but not unused... Where the batteries dead? Maybe u can still find a play count or coin count through slots

#33 8 years ago

JIG

jwilson

Pinball Art Prints

Toronto, ON

9y 106K 5,052 6 7

Yeah, that's what a HUO game tends to look like - untouched cashbox contents, light playfield wear, never had the glass off to be cleaned.

#34 8 years ago

CRS

Bulldog1008

Inactive member

On Friday, when I have this gentleman I trust come out and clean it, I will evaluate whether I sell this one or my other one. I may sell this one, because I have moded my other one out so much (LEDs, new castle, merlin, dragon, and bow and arrow guys).

#35 8 years ago

JAZ

Jazman

Pinside+ Frequent

Waukesha, WI

14y 70,550 1,400 14

Very nice. Definitely used (shooter lane telltale), but quite likely not routed. Great looking machine. I expect it will clean up great. This would have been worth a lot more pre-MMr but awesome score none-the-less.

Congrats!
Jaz

#36 8 years ago

LLV

lllvjr

Send a picture under the coin tray and inside the coin door. Vendors always label a 4-5 digit hand written number for tax purposes if it was ever routed.. The other places would be the back of the game but from your pictures there not there. Coin door represents Huo play not coin play from looks of it

#37 8 years ago

RAS

Matt_Rasmussen

Pinside member

11y 64,300 2,388

Quoted from CrazyLevi:
I don't see any signs of location use. Looks great. Lack of wear at the coin slots is a big deal.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LOCKDOWN BAR THINGEEES?!
They shipped that way from the factory idiot. And that security hasp isn't a lockdown bar.
Why am I having this conversation with myself?

Idiot? Necessary?

#38 8 years ago

AGL

Alan_L

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Jarrettsville, MD

12y 73,800 1,391 6

OK, I'll ask. What did you pay for it? Just give us a range: plus or minus $500 with buyer's premium and sales tax (if applicable).

#39 8 years ago

CRS

Bulldog1008

Inactive member

Here is under the coin box and the door. The weird thing is the lock. I can not find the keys anywhere. And if you look at the lock, it does not have the bar locking mechanism. Odd.

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#40 8 years ago

CRS

Bulldog1008

Inactive member

I did not get it that cheap, but less than any I have seen posted for sale on this forum and of course way less than eBay. And what irks me a little, is I got it less than what I paid for my other one.

#41 8 years ago

LOU

Goner

Pinside member

Houston, TX

10y 33,400 59 15

Did machines of that era come with the hook on the door? I know we all hang our keys there now. Just wondering when the hook on the door started.

#42 8 years ago

JIG

jwilson

Pinball Art Prints

Toronto, ON

9y 106K 5,052 6 7

Door hook has been since forever. Every game I've owned had the door or inside the door hook.

#43 8 years ago

LUV

xsonics2k2

Pinside member

Seattle, WA

18y 73,050 357 15

Nice pick up! Congrats

#44 8 years ago

CRS

Bulldog1008

Inactive member

The keys are right there ... Duh ... Where they are supposed to be.

#45 8 years ago

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TNTs

TNTS

New Bern, NC

14y 31,050 33 13

i was just about to tell you....THEY ARE RIGHT THERE IN THE PIC....LOL!!!!!!

#46 8 years ago

CRS

Bulldog1008

Inactive member

Here are the batteries ...

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#47 8 years ago

M-T

moto_cat

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10y 114K 1,334 2

How do the boards look ? (#'s matching , no battery corrosion)
Awesome find!

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#48 8 years ago

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Jim100

Inactive member

Unknown

8y 14,400 15 11

I am definately interested in purchasing this game. Please reply by phone if possible at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you for your response. Regards Jim

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#49 8 years ago

LLV

lllvjr

Congrats it's a huo mm

#50 8 years ago

LLV

lllvjr