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TECH - Olympic Hockey EM Issues

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#1 2 years ago

UPDATE: Changed topic 01/23/23 to Tech - Olympic Hockey EM issues.

Starting a thread for an Olympic Hockey machine I just picked up and I know that I am going to need some assistance with.

At this point I started to tear down the entire top of the playfield as I do with all the machines I get. Right away I am noticing pop bumpers will be needed as well as a few other parts but for the most part the playfield will clean up. Only issue is some wear around the pops.

Upon taking out the top arch I noticed that one of the bulbs had the plastic tube. This one was yellow. Most machines of this era have 2 yellow and two red tubes. Can anyone confirm for me what Olympic Hockey is supposed to have?

#4 2 years ago
Quoted from Mikala:

You can make them whatever color you like. In the case of WMS Hockey, I would go with a green and yellow on each side.

Realize that was just wondering what the original ones were.

#5 2 years ago

Need a Diode. Wondering if there’s a replacement I can use for Hitachi 1S315? Hate to buy these as I only need one so wondering if I can use a 1N4001 or 1N4004 in its place?

#7 2 years ago
Quoted from Mikala:

You can make them whatever color you like. In the case of WMS Hockey, I would go with a green and yellow on each side.

Ok so I lied, there are no bulbs in the upper arch !! Forgive me as I obtained a machine that was essentially a “barn find”. So, anyone aware if this machine had the plastic light tubes? If so where did they go??

Quoted from Jackaltr:

Post plenty of pictures!

I’m not one that typically takes pics of a tear down but here are a few.

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#11 2 years ago
Quoted from Garrett:

Am I a heratic for thinking about this? Coos said he can do it. My BG is not horrible but just so utterly bland. Done quickly in MS Paint but you get the jist.
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Did he advise what the price would be? Not sure about the vinyl to glass process.

Btw does any of you GI bulbs have the plastic sleeves on it and, if so, where are they located?

#13 2 years ago
Quoted from Garrett:

It’s almost 300 just for the vinyl with shipping

300 for a film that you then have to apply yourself isn’t too bad but then you still have to buy the glass and a lift channel.

I haven’t even lit my line up yet but I can tell the red in HOCKEY has cracking to it. So we shall see.

I know Shay isn’t going to do a screened version so Coos or BgResto is the only other option.

Quoted from Garrett:

Mine didn’t have any plastic tubes on any GI. But mine had originally gone through some dealer, all associated coin door mechs had been stripped out too.

Thanks for the response.

So at this point I have to order parts (tomorrow) and wait for them to come in before I can finish the playfield. Will start on cleaning up the cabinet tomorrow!

#14 1 year ago

Minor set back on the cabinet. Come to find out the front right joint was broken.
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But after a little time I was able to get it back together. image (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpg

I also replaced all of the missing supports for the bottom of the cabinet.
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#15 1 year ago

Removed a sticker.
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So this is a first…..I’ve used a can of air, turn it upside down and it sprays a freezing air out. This typically freezes the sticker and it comes off easy-peasy. Not this time, the decal separated. image (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpg

#16 1 year ago

and it continues with this decal…… once I removed the first layer I then removed the adhesive. It was almost like a heavy duty rubber cement. Unlike rubber cement this stuff was really tacky.
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To my surprise, after the adhesive was removed the artwork remained. I thin used a heat gun and removed another layer of the decal.
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And yet another layer of adhesive….
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A lot of time spent on removing a decal but it’s done!!

#17 1 year ago

With the cabinet complete moving into reassembling the playfield.

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#19 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

BTW, I did the rework for the backglass that Coos offers (did it for a restorer friend who then had him make one). I saw it in person, and it looks fantastic. If you prefer an alternate color pattern, I'm happy to make adjustments and you can provide him with the art (might save you some money with him).
I also have done custom plastics for two Olympic Hockey pins if you can't find them and need a source (playfield pieces and the hockey rink in the back box). Please PM me to discuss if interested.
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Thanks for the post! For me, my plastic are in great shape. Haven’t lit the backglass up yet so not sure there.

Most of the topside of the playfield is back together.

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#21 1 year ago

Question - was there any ground braid in this game?
Previous owner had an extension cord off the ground wire, for the plug, going to the coin door and one of the brackets to the power supply.

I’m thinking just added them as I don’t believe games of this era had grounding wire/braid.

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#23 1 year ago

Today’s word is determined. As in i am determined to get the coins out of this mache no matter what!! C4FC541B-2E61-4740-AB05-BC54190C32A3 (resized).jpegC4FC541B-2E61-4740-AB05-BC54190C32A3 (resized).jpeg

Not being able to locate another I did the best I could.

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#25 1 year ago
Quoted from Jackaltr:

I think I have a pretty decent one you can have.

Thanks for the offer. I’ll pm ya.

#30 1 year ago
Quoted from Garrett:

Installed a Comet trough light mod. And wanted to see how black flippers looked. Great game![quoted image]

I like the through lighted up. It’s not over powering.

Was able to work on mine some more. The coin door was the focus as it was beat.

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#33 1 year ago

Finished working on the board today.
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Alway check the fuses as a lot of times I find the wrong ones installed. This was no surprise as 3 of the 4 fuses were wrong. Previous owner installed one 10a in the right place then 30a in the remaining spots (they’re were supposed to be 10 and 15a fuses.

So when I took the cam apart I swore I took pics but ….. so I believe I got it back together correctly
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#34 1 year ago

Backglass not too bad.

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#36 1 year ago
Quoted from Garrett:

Very nice, looks great again! Interested to see what you think of it when you get it back together.
I play my OH almost every night

Unfortunately, my time back east is coming to an end in a few days. So this will take it back shelf until I come back. Not going to be enjoying it anytime soon.

Started working on the back box. First thing I took apart was the animated puck mech. There’s all kind of grease and dirt on this thing.
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Minor set back on lamp board as somehow a previous owner broke apart one of the (whatchamccallits) light partitions. This will get fixed At a later time.
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#38 1 year ago
Quoted from Garrett:

Common issue I would guess. Mine has some deterioration as well, particleboard.

Yeah agree. Will be an easy fix though.

Whoever own this in the past felt the need to lubricate every moving part. There’s so much grease on this thing.

Good news is the rink is in excellent condition

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#39 1 year ago

Cleaned all the grease and not really sure what else it was off the one mech.

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#40 1 year ago
Quoted from Garrett:

Original did not have a ground wire, this era didn’t.

Just to elaborate, this era did have a ground wire that came off the plug connected to the board and then ran to the bracket on the power supply. Looking at the picture below you can see the two green arrows pointing to where the ground wire from the plug is connected to the wire on the board and runs to the power supply. At both points there's a sticker on the board that states GROUND WIRE.
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But I think you, as well as I, were speaking more to the machine having ground wire attaching to all components of the machine. This era of machine didn't have that. Appears a previous owner took it upon themselves to run a ground wire (old cord) from the coin door to the ground on the plug (referring to picture in post #21).

With all that said .... unfortunately I am back West so the work on the machine stops here until I can get back East!

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#41 1 year ago
Quoted from meSz:

Need a Diode. Wondering if there’s a replacement I can use for Hitachi 1S315? Hate to buy these as I only need one so wondering if I can use a 1N4001 or 1N4004 in its place?

So I’m back East for few months, still need a diode for the Buzzer coil. Anyone provide input on the above question?

And, if 1N4001 or 4 is suitable which side would the ban go on?

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#42 1 year ago

Bump for night crowd

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#45 1 year ago
Quoted from bisceg1:

I think I'm having issues with my Advance Unit on my Olympic Hockey pin. Works no problem for the 2nd player with the puck going to the right. The issue is with the 1st player when the puck is going to the left. The relay pulls in, doesn't de-energize until I manually open a set of contacts on the same unit.
It's a stacked set of contacts with spacers- Looks like one of the spacers might be missing or something.
I really need a good pic of someone's Goal Advance Unit so I can compare to mine. The side that shows the relays, gears, switches, etc would be awesome!
If anyone has one of these Advance Units for sale let me know
Thanks!

Be glad to take a picture BUT my machine is at the point it’s cleaned up but is not working at all!

I’m thinking my cams might be out of sequence? I believe this is the typical issue when getting nothing when turning a EM on??

My plan is to start trying to get it up and running next week.

1 week later
#47 1 year ago
Quoted from Miked42:

Hey guys I’m glad I found this thread as I just picked one up today. I’ve never worked on an em so this will be an adventure lol. Mine powers on but pops a fuse when I hit start button. Also the score motor on bottom cabinet just keeps spinning. I’m looking for a manual to buy as I believe fuses are not proper. Also my wiring looks different off my transformer..
Also I’m new at posting on here as it seems confusing. Apologize in advance
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No apologies needed. Some people would tell you to start your own thread but feel free to post here as I may encounter the same issue(s).

Updated thread topic to Tech - Olympic Hockey EM issues.

#53 1 year ago
Quoted from Miked42:

is 400 grit sand paper ok to use between contacts?

I never use sandpaper on the contacts. I’ve always used a wire wheel on a Dremel tool. It cleans the contacts great without filing them down!

#55 1 year ago

Ok finally getting to look at my machine. When I power it on absolutely nothing happens other than the coils in the pop bumpers quickly energize.

If I press the start button the GI lights (only) come on, no insert or pop lights. The cam just continuously spins. I made sure the cam closest to the motor was positioned so it sits in one of the 2 notches.

I have no lights in the back box at all.

Also, anyone have schematics for this game that can advise as to what fuses go to what?

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#57 1 year ago

Thank you!

Verified all fuses are good but the below issues still persist. Where to start?

Quoted from meSz:

When I power it on absolutely nothing happens other than the coils in the pop bumpers quickly energize.
If I press the start button the GI lights (only) come on, no insert or pop lights. The cam just continuously spins. I made sure the cam closest to the motor was positioned so it sits in one of the 2 notches.
I have no lights in the back box at all.

#58 1 year ago

Messing with game. Took out the board in lower cabinet and inspected all the switches. Found 1 on Lock Relay that wasn’t gapped properly and few others that looked as though they weren’t making great contact.

Turned game on and right away the coil on the coin door coil and pop bumper coils engage briefly (fire once) and the Cams

At this point no lights are on or anything for that matter. When I press start the cams continuously rotate, the coin door coil fires on n off and the Score Reset Relay pulsates.

Player 1 resets to zero but not Player 2.

Also, if I press start button second time the pop bumpers engage and don’t release.

Several issues going on here.

#60 1 year ago
Quoted from HowardR:

That's surprising because each score reel (Drum Unit) has its own independent reset circuit and switch on the Score Reset relay.
In any case, Inspect and diagnose this circuit with Alligator clip jumper wires
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/gottlieb-big-shot-repair#post-6305153
http://www.planetimming.com/Pinball/troubleshooting/EM%20Troubleshooting.pdf
http://www.pinrepair.com/em/index3.htm#features
Example of a pinsider actually doing this https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/red-baron-tech-question#post-5858156
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Thanks Howard, always appreciate your willingness to help out. Hope to get time Sunday to work on it. Will report back!

#61 1 year ago
Quoted from meSz:

Also, if I press start button second time the pop bumpers engage and don’t release.

Forgot to mention, and obviously, after a few seconds of the pops engaging the 15A fuse blows (second to last from the bottom of the tower of four fuses).

So it’s Sunday and I worked on the machine a little. I spent all my time cleaning and properly gapping all the switched in the bottom of the cabinet and also all the switches under the playfield on the board.

I then started to clean and gap the switches on Player 2 and that’s where I stopped.

More to come ….

#62 1 year ago

Slow going here but got a few to clean and gap more switches.

Found the pops firing odd as all of them where. When I cleaned the pf I replaced all the skirts. Come to find that, either the new skirts are longer or the others were worn as all the switches were closed.

Upon powering machine up the pops no longer fire and the cam moves a notch. No lights on the machine at this time.

Upon pressing start button the GI lights, including back box, come on. Cam spins continuously, player 1 and 2 scores reset with the exception of the 10k and 100-900 Units on Player 2 and the Score Reset Relay continuously fires.

Haven’t used jumper wire as of yet. Never done it this not really sure what and where to jump on this machine but will read the links Howard provided to try n figure out.

Just want to provide what iam doing and finding so I don’t forget and to keep this post active.

Thanks!!

#64 1 year ago
Quoted from steviechs:

The score motor will run until both players scores read 00000. Start there before worrying about anything else.
Do the score reels move freely if you advance them by hand? This may be a better starting point then doing the jumper: http://www.pinrepair.com/em/index2.htm#reels

The reels move freely by hand. I actually took them both apart and cleaned them and ensured the switches are gapped. I did this today and same result.

So scores reset with the exception of the 10k and 100-900 Units on Player 2 and the Score Reset Relay continuously fires???

#66 1 year ago
Quoted from steviechs:

If you manually reset them to 0, I assume the sequence stops

Yes

Quoted from steviechs:

If so, put it on 2 players and advance to the 2nd player. You can start to diagnose if the reels are getting power by hitting a 100 point switch (center bumper should give you this). See if the scoring advances the reel. If you hit the 100 point 10 times, does the 10k advance?

It does not score. It appears the assembly that runs the coils for the puck in the backglass is holding it up. The coils are firing but not advancing the puck.

I took this assembly completely apart and cleaned it to no avail. It works sometimes. Any advise on this assembly?
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Thinking needing to look more at switches.

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#68 1 year ago
Quoted from steviechs:

Without looking at the schematic, that unit should be independent of the scoring. You can test by getting to player 2 and then manually pulsing the 100 pt relay in the backbox. If tripping that relay doesn’t pulse the score reel, you have a starting point.

Wanted to follow up on this. I did as you instructed and player 2 still doesn’t score if I manually pulse the relays.

Welcome any more insight BUT know that I am now back out in CA so I won’t get to work on the machine unti I head back East.

Thanks for all the input.

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