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TECH - Olympic Hockey EM Issues

By meSz

11 months ago


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#51 60 days ago
Quoted from Miked42:

I suppose it could be any one of those relays. I need to look up sequence of operation as I’m unsure if the score motor comes on when powered up. I would think it comes on initially when start/replay button is pushed. I’m going to start with cleaning those first and check them out

I found this on Pinwiki which is helpful.I’m leaning towards the steppers being dirty not getting to resting position. So much to be cleaned on this game.

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#52 60 days ago

Anyone know if the goal advance should be in between contacts? Also I’ve got som progress cleaning up burnt wires and switches

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#53 58 days ago
Quoted from Miked42:

is 400 grit sand paper ok to use between contacts?

I never use sandpaper on the contacts. I’ve always used a wire wheel on a Dremel tool. It cleans the contacts great without filing them down!

#54 57 days ago
Quoted from meSz:

I never use sandpaper on the contacts. I’ve always used a wire wheel on a Dremel tool. It cleans the contacts great without filing them down!

I ended up figuring it out from hours of research lol. Only used on a few of them then went out and got the Dremel 443 which was so much better and faster. I still need to pull the playfield and clean all those up. Almost at the point of powering it back up and see what else I’ll need to do. Waiting on a resetting circuit breaker to come in so I don’t go through fuses.

#55 54 days ago

Ok finally getting to look at my machine. When I power it on absolutely nothing happens other than the coils in the pop bumpers quickly energize.

If I press the start button the GI lights (only) come on, no insert or pop lights. The cam just continuously spins. I made sure the cam closest to the motor was positioned so it sits in one of the 2 notches.

I have no lights in the back box at all.

Also, anyone have schematics for this game that can advise as to what fuses go to what?

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#57 53 days ago

Thank you!

Verified all fuses are good but the below issues still persist. Where to start?

Quoted from meSz:

When I power it on absolutely nothing happens other than the coils in the pop bumpers quickly energize.
If I press the start button the GI lights (only) come on, no insert or pop lights. The cam just continuously spins. I made sure the cam closest to the motor was positioned so it sits in one of the 2 notches.
I have no lights in the back box at all.

#58 51 days ago

Messing with game. Took out the board in lower cabinet and inspected all the switches. Found 1 on Lock Relay that wasn’t gapped properly and few others that looked as though they weren’t making great contact.

Turned game on and right away the coil on the coin door coil and pop bumper coils engage briefly (fire once) and the Cams

At this point no lights are on or anything for that matter. When I press start the cams continuously rotate, the coin door coil fires on n off and the Score Reset Relay pulsates.

Player 1 resets to zero but not Player 2.

Also, if I press start button second time the pop bumpers engage and don’t release.

Several issues going on here.

#59 51 days ago
Quoted from meSz:

Player 1 resets to zero but not Player 2

That's surprising because each score reel (Drum Unit) has its own independent reset circuit and switch on the Score Reset relay.
In any case, Inspect and diagnose this circuit with Alligator clip jumper wires

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/gottlieb-big-shot-repair#post-6305153
http://www.planetimming.com/Pinball/troubleshooting/EM%20Troubleshooting.pdf
http://www.pinrepair.com/em/index3.htm#features
Example of a pinsider actually doing this https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/red-baron-tech-question#post-5858156

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#60 51 days ago
Quoted from HowardR:

That's surprising because each score reel (Drum Unit) has its own independent reset circuit and switch on the Score Reset relay.
In any case, Inspect and diagnose this circuit with Alligator clip jumper wires
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/gottlieb-big-shot-repair#post-6305153
http://www.planetimming.com/Pinball/troubleshooting/EM%20Troubleshooting.pdf
http://www.pinrepair.com/em/index3.htm#features
Example of a pinsider actually doing this https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/red-baron-tech-question#post-5858156
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Thanks Howard, always appreciate your willingness to help out. Hope to get time Sunday to work on it. Will report back!

#61 49 days ago
Quoted from meSz:

Also, if I press start button second time the pop bumpers engage and don’t release.

Forgot to mention, and obviously, after a few seconds of the pops engaging the 15A fuse blows (second to last from the bottom of the tower of four fuses).

So it’s Sunday and I worked on the machine a little. I spent all my time cleaning and properly gapping all the switched in the bottom of the cabinet and also all the switches under the playfield on the board.

I then started to clean and gap the switches on Player 2 and that’s where I stopped.

More to come ….

#62 46 days ago

Slow going here but got a few to clean and gap more switches.

Found the pops firing odd as all of them where. When I cleaned the pf I replaced all the skirts. Come to find that, either the new skirts are longer or the others were worn as all the switches were closed.

Upon powering machine up the pops no longer fire and the cam moves a notch. No lights on the machine at this time.

Upon pressing start button the GI lights, including back box, come on. Cam spins continuously, player 1 and 2 scores reset with the exception of the 10k and 100-900 Units on Player 2 and the Score Reset Relay continuously fires.

Haven’t used jumper wire as of yet. Never done it this not really sure what and where to jump on this machine but will read the links Howard provided to try n figure out.

Just want to provide what iam doing and finding so I don’t forget and to keep this post active.

Thanks!!

#63 46 days ago

The score motor will run until both players scores read 00000. Start there before worrying about anything else.

Do the score reels move freely if you advance them by hand? This may be a better starting point then doing the jumper: http://www.pinrepair.com/em/index2.htm#reels

#64 43 days ago
Quoted from steviechs:

The score motor will run until both players scores read 00000. Start there before worrying about anything else.
Do the score reels move freely if you advance them by hand? This may be a better starting point then doing the jumper: http://www.pinrepair.com/em/index2.htm#reels

The reels move freely by hand. I actually took them both apart and cleaned them and ensured the switches are gapped. I did this today and same result.

So scores reset with the exception of the 10k and 100-900 Units on Player 2 and the Score Reset Relay continuously fires???

#65 43 days ago

If you manually reset them to 0, I assume the sequence stops?

If so, put it on 2 players and advance to the 2nd player. You can start to diagnose if the reels are getting power by hitting a 100 point switch (center bumper should give you this). See if the scoring advances the reel. If you hit the 100 point 10 times, does the 10k advance?

I’d also hit that link above to get familiar with the stat up sequence.

#66 43 days ago
Quoted from steviechs:

If you manually reset them to 0, I assume the sequence stops

Yes

Quoted from steviechs:

If so, put it on 2 players and advance to the 2nd player. You can start to diagnose if the reels are getting power by hitting a 100 point switch (center bumper should give you this). See if the scoring advances the reel. If you hit the 100 point 10 times, does the 10k advance?

It does not score. It appears the assembly that runs the coils for the puck in the backglass is holding it up. The coils are firing but not advancing the puck.

I took this assembly completely apart and cleaned it to no avail. It works sometimes. Any advise on this assembly?
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Thinking needing to look more at switches.

#67 43 days ago

Without looking at the schematic, that unit should be independent of the scoring. You can test by getting to player 2 and then manually pulsing the 100 pt relay in the backbox. If tripping that relay doesn’t pulse the score reel, you have a starting point.

I’d look at the schematic to see what differs when scoring 100 for P1 vs P2. Most likely you just have 1 switch in that sequence that delineates which circuits are engaging.

However, after typing this out the fact that you’re not getting a reel advance during normal gameplay seems to indicate there may be a problem with the coil(s) related to those reels. Any loose wires? Read the “testing coils” section on http://www.pinrepair.com/em/index3.htm#low

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#68 31 days ago
Quoted from steviechs:

Without looking at the schematic, that unit should be independent of the scoring. You can test by getting to player 2 and then manually pulsing the 100 pt relay in the backbox. If tripping that relay doesn’t pulse the score reel, you have a starting point.

Wanted to follow up on this. I did as you instructed and player 2 still doesn’t score if I manually pulse the relays.

Welcome any more insight BUT know that I am now back out in CA so I won’t get to work on the machine unti I head back East.

Thanks for all the input.

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