Serenade
United, 1948I am restoring a 1948 United Serenade and now the plastic posts are all a bid yellow and not real white anymore. I want to replace these posts with new one's but after looking in several shops ( marco specialities , etc ) i cannot find the little 1" posts with the rounded top. The newer ones have only angled tops ( looks 45 degrees ) 1 inch post (resized).jpg
The ones i have in the Serenade are rounded at the top.
Does anybody knows were to find these round posts.
Quoted from Klokkie:I am restoring a 1948 United Serenade and now the plastic posts are all a bid yellow and not real white anymore. I want to replace these posts with new one's but after looking in several shops ( marco specialities , etc ) i cannot find the little 1" posts with the rounded top. The newer ones have only angled tops ( looks 45 degrees )
The ones i have in the Serenade are rounded at the top.
Does anybody knows were to find these round posts.
Some of us have stock scavenged off of games... dont believe anybody making new ones. try to clean up your old ones
Did a google for Retrobright and this is very interesting and absolut something to try, will do this. The ingredients are easy to find .
Will give an update on how it went and illustrate with photo´s the result.
Thanks for the help, pinside is great
This worked form me.
The Solution? A Peroxide Sunbath.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/say-goodbye-to-old-yellowed-plastics
Here a before and after picture
Quoted from Klokkie:Thank you all, great help.
The peroxide it is. Go to the store today a will give it a try.
Awsome.
Definitely curious...those older posts are a different composition than the ones ArgosySK linked to...I hope it works as well.
Please follow up! Not that I think you won't or anything...lol
Sean
Quoted from ArgosySK:The Solution? A Peroxide Sunbath.
The posts were from a 1970 Bally Trail Drive.
Quoted from ArgosySK:This worked form me.
The Solution? A Peroxide Sunbath.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/say-goodbye-to-old-yellowed-plastics
Here a before and after picture
Did check the pinside link and some answers and options are mentioned their to get the job done.
Awsome, in a rush to the store to get the stuff. Only in Holland the sun is a little problem so an UV lamp will the choice.
When i have some items done i will post the result
Are these correct at PBR? If you are out of the USA shipping might be crazy but just to check
1 “Facetted Post
Fits over #6 Posts
Offered in:
Opaque White C11561W
http://www.pbresource.com/posts.html
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If these are correct sizes, pinball.center in Germany carries some as well
Quoted from northvibe:Are these correct at PBR? If you are out of the USA shipping might be crazy but just to check
1 “Facetted Post
Fits over #6 Posts
Offered in:
Opaque White C11561W
http://www.pbresource.com/posts.htmlIf these are correct sizes, pinball.center in Germany carries some as well
those are correct...
Quoted from northvibe:Are these correct at PBR? If you are out of the USA shipping might be crazy but just to check
1 “Facetted Post
Fits over #6 Posts
Offered in:
Opaque White C11561W
http://www.pbresource.com/posts.htmlIf these are correct sizes, pinball.center in Germany carries some as well
You see in the attached pciture added to the reply what posts i mean. The one from PBR are angeled and not round. That is the problem.
Bought today oxi and peroxide to clean the yellow off.
Quoted from Klokkie:You see in the attached pciture added to the reply what posts i mean. The one from PBR are angeled and not round. That is the problem.
Bought today oxi and peroxide to clean the yellow off.
oh wow, I have never seen that type of post. Is there a part number you know of?
EDIT: Ahhhh it is a United brand.
Yep, It is used in the 1948 Serenade build by United. I didn´t found them in any pinball shop so far. That´s why i want to clean them white again.
I was lucky today to find an original door lit, but without the coin slide, so that´s the next mission .
I am happy to model up if you send me a sample and make available at shapeways for people to purchase off them directly.
Jady
See below, have done repro parts for other people as well
https://www.shapeways.com/marketplace?q=Swinks&sort=newest
Quoted from swinks:I am happy to model up if you send me a sample and make available at shapeways for people to purchase off them directly.
Jady
Hello Jady,
I do not have any spare, it is from my Serenade, i only can make a drawing for you so you have the shape.
Quoted from Klokkie:Hello Jady,
I do not have any spare, it is from my Serenade, i only can make a drawing for you so you have the shape.
It would need to be a very accurate drawing, or send me a sample and I will return it to you, I added a link to my previous post so you can see what I have done
Do a search on swinks genco as looks very close in design. Shapeways also just released a premium white which I haven’t opened that option yet
I run a business and work with profesional CAD software so we are used to work with very accurate measurements . Let me make a drawing a see if you can use it. Is simpler to do i think.
What format do you like . DXF or any other
Did look at Genco and they look close to what i have , i have the idea the heads are bid more round on the originals
Quoted from swinks:DXF file is good, I can work with that
Oke, will make a drawing in 3D. Also other formats are possible like STL or STEP, but DXF is also oke.
Quoted from Klokkie:Oke, will make a drawing in 3D. Also other formats are possible like STL or STEP, but DXF is also oke.
if you can do STL you can then upload to Shapeways and don't really need me, BUT if you like help just send me the dxf
Quoted from Klokkie:You see in the attached pciture added to the reply what posts i mean.
They look like what's on my Bally Rocket III - part C-119-2 
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Quoted from dontfeed:Has anyone tried Bleche-wite on plastics? Wonder if it'll work. It's readily available at any auto store.
I have and it cleans well but doesn't whiten old plastics. I would NOT use it on screened (with artwork) plastics.
Quoted from astyy:They look like what's on my Bally Rocket III - part C-119-2
Yeah that looks like the ones. Very similair.
Are these still available with that nr as reference
John at Flippers lists that part #, but does not appear to have the proper rounded top from the picture:
https://www.flippers.com/catalog/product_info.php/post-p-3959
Quoted from jeffc:John at Flippers lists that part #, but does not appear to have the proper rounded top from the picture:
https://www.flippers.com/catalog/product_info.php/post-p-3959
Had a look but indeed they look more angeled then rounded. The number they used is also with a 5 extra at the end, so maybe a bit different but getting close
The long and short posts changed (and part numbers) in the 1976 parts catalog to the ones for sale on flippers.com. If the rounded post featured in this thread (C-119-2) is indeed the Bally one, and unavailable, then modelling for 3D printing is a great idea as it must have featured on a lot of machines. Perhaps the curvier long post needs doing too (C-119-15) ?
Bally 1968 - 1973 Parts Catalog (Curvey posts!)
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Bally 1976 Parts Catalog (Straight edge posts)
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Quoted from swinks:nice work and when uploading it will tell you if there are any thin sections which will fail
Yeah will do this tonight if i get to it. Busy at the business.
There is a local wood rail for sale, early Bally, with these posts! Glad the community is doing this 
thank you!
Applaud the effort 
If anyone starts producing these I would be in to buy some. Is there any interest in the matching tall posts?
Many thanks for supporting the pinball community!
Quoted from BleacherBum:Applaud the effort If anyone starts producing these I would be in to buy some. Is there any interest in the matching tall posts?
Many thanks for supporting the pinball community!
Never thought about it but why not, i am probably not the only one needing these.
For the longer ones i do not have a life example otherwise it would be no problem to make a technical drawing.
Quoted from Klokkie:Never thought about it but why not, i am probably not the only one needing these.
For the longer ones i do not have a life example otherwise it would be no problem to make a technical drawing.
Are you abandoning the attempts to clean these older posts? Totally up to you of course, but be aware the older posts in many examples have a swirl in the colors that is difficult to impossible to re-create. The swirl was created by early plastics production and was the only way they could make colored plastic parts like these. Once they perfected plastics formulation, many of the rounded edge posts were more solid colors, like you see in @astyy's post of his sixties game.
The OP's game is from 1948 and the posts used back then were definitely swirly. So if you're planning to mix and match, it may look funny, as well as if you replace them all, since everything else on the game will look older, and the new posts will stand out.
Not trying to tell anybody what to do...just want you to be aware...
Sean
Quoted from Stoomer:Are you abandoning the attempts to clean these older posts? Totally up to you of course, but be aware the older posts in many examples have a swirl in the colors that is difficult to impossible to re-create. The swirl was created by early plastics production and was the only way they could make colored plastic parts like these. Once they perfected plastics formulation, many of the rounded edge posts were more solid colors, like you see in astyy's post of his sixties game.
The OP's game is from 1948 and the posts used back then were definitely swirly. So if you're planning to mix and match, it may look funny, as well as if you replace them all, since everything else on the game will look older, and the new posts will stand out.
Not trying to tell anybody what to do...just want you to be aware...
Sean
Sean ,
No i am not, i do a test with some old lane guides and then will do the posts.
I find it just fun to do the new thing and it s easy to have a back up in case of.
Hans
Hi Hans
make sure when you list on Shapeways - list as for sale and that you tag "pinball" in the search names so others can find in the growing library of parts there
Oke, it looked that it all worked out. I have uploaded the file and the things needed for shapeways and see what is happening and if somebody can do something with it.
checked it out, looks good and great to have a range of posts
maybe all the pinball people on Shapeways should put a search word like "pinball+post" to locate all the posts in one search
Managed to get the post uploaded at Shapeways so that is solved.
The cleaning project Retrobright style is still in progress but we thought the Spring was starting in Holland (with some sun) unfortan the Winter is back with some snow and no sun.
to help here is the link to Klokkie and some other posts, some of which are also hard to find
https://www.shapeways.com/marketplace?q=pinballpost&sort=newest
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