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Oktoberfest Pricing $ 7,400 w/ Art Blades - PinballSTAR taking orders

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11 months ago

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#398 11 months ago
Quoted from Zablon:

That's not how the world works these days. If anyone is remotely teeny bit offended by something they start a crusade to stop it. Because they think they are better than everyone else. Tolerance is what they ask for, but they do not give. I'm all about respecting women, but this fiasco is crazy wanna be rage. Tons of things wrong in the world that are way more important than some little art piece on a pinball machine, but I'm not brainwashed and entitled.

Quoted from Zablon:

This moved beyond this pinball machine and this piece to what we can expect in the future. Say goodbye to original themes, and any sense of humor. The precedent has been made. People are offended by everything, and they will make sure they tell you. People with common sense know that you can just not buy the product if you don't like what it portrays. Instead the crazies want to shut everything down, and yes, they are crazy if this offended them. I hope that in removing it, those people all go out and buy it, but we know the majority won't, because that's not how they work.

You're not getting it. Your marginalizing the very real statements of actual pinball playing woman, who aren't just "remotely teeny bit offended by something", but reminded of traumatic experiences in their lives.

Unless you're some sort of sociopath who doesn't care about your fellow human beings, it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of logical sense to fight a battle (for comedy?), where people end up feeling hurt. And all just for a laugh?

Everyone, including the monkey (at this point an avatar for American Pinball), should lead by example; it's why some people even "start crusades", as you said, to do the right thing.

And when you're speaking of people not showing tolerance, you just mean you want them to be tolerant of the fact that you get laughs from a monkey grabbing a woman's butt, regardless of the fact that you know it makes people upset. Think about the cruelty in what you're saying. And why some people might be "intolerant" of that way of thought.

#420 11 months ago
Quoted from Zablon:

I really was done on this topic, but let me ask you it this way:
If 1 person is offended by something, then should it be banned/removed?
Is 1 persons opinion greater than everyone else's?
If not 1 person, what is the magic #?
If it isn't the majority, then should everyone be expected to cater to the more vocal minority when they have no actual stake in it?
The idea that everyone should be without so you don't feel uncomfortable is selfish.

It's not a numbers thing though. The distinction lies in the magnitude of difference between the feeling of "being offended", by something and "being marginalized".

Quoted from Zablon:

A monkey on a backglass is not going to cause sexual assualt any more than a car causes people to road rage, etc. Bad people are going to do bad things, with or without. The mentality that you are going to stop bad things because you stamp out ideas (movies, music, art, games, tools) is fruitless.

I agree, but again there's a practical difference of applicable ideas here. Banning violent imagery in video games or movies, for example, probably isn't going to cause the instances of violence to decrease; however, perpetuating racial stereotypes, such as in blackface or minstrel shows, definitively causes a culture of pervasive racism to exist, feeding into people feeling marginalized rather than them simply "being offended'.

Quoted from Zablon:

You can choose not to buy the product. Plain and simple.

While you can always vote directly with your dollars, that doesn't mean that woman can avoid the imagery being thrust into their faces unexpectedly in a large pinball tournament such as Pinburgh or even just going over to someone's house to play in their basement. That argument about dollars only goes so far practically speaking. You wouldn't put violent imagery on your television, for example, if someone you knew who had just been involved in a violence was coming over to your house.

Think about how many women carry this sort of experience with them throughout their lives, as you weigh whether it's worth the personal laughs.

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