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#351 11 months ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

I am a 56 year old white married American Male living the same white Male privileged life as the rest of the white bread Male Americans have for the last 50 years. No one needs to school me on anything, especially depictions of assault by anything, including cartoon anthropomorphized lecherous monkeys that the management of API felt were appropriate on a "family friendly" pinball machine based on a German cultural festival held in Munich Germany, where its supposedly ok to get drunk as a skunk and wander from tent to tent, oogling women in revealing beirhaus clothing, and harassing the wait staff as they fight off unwanted touching while carrying six - one liter steins back and forth to a bunch of drunk men. Don't tell me different, I have been there, seen that first hand.
Yeah, that's just the family friendly images I'm sure they were shooting for with the art package on this machine. And remember, API management greenlighted the whole mess. So who do you really blame here? The company who foisted this on the "family friendly" unsuspecting public, or the artist, or designer who had the original idea? Or all of them, because they ALL made the same mistake in my book when it went on public display with that image front and freaking center on the backglass. Nobody is ever going to convince me any different. Don't even try.

Nobody here wants to hear about your imaginary White privilege. Please keep that crap far, far away from here.

#352 11 months ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

I was there in 1999, on a business trip to Munich, still have beer coasters and pictures from the landhaus near Hamburg where I had to stay because my room in Munich had been given away when our flight got delayed in Naples and we didnt get to Munich until late in the day. And yeah, when the tents get crowded, and there is no parking left anywhere in the town except on sidewalks and church steps (yes a guy tried to park in front of a church on the sidewalk) and the beer is flowing and the men are singing, the amount of bawdy dancing and singing can hide quite a bit of handsiness that the frualeins tend to just put up with. Maybe it has changed since then but not according to Christian, my exchange student, he said not much has changed when the young boys get together and drink. I guess since he is a 20 year old young German man from Hamburg, he doesnt know what he is talking about. This is Christian and Stian, my German and Norwegian Exchange students from 2 years ago at Christmas 2016 and the hand made German Noel calendar his mother made and sent to us is hanging over Christain’s head. So yeah, I’ll take my Oscar now for being that well traveled SOB who has been there and experienced it first hand, and had it confirmed it hasnt changed much since I was there almost 20 years ago. If you don’t believe me, I dont give a crap.
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Yawn.

Seriously no one cares. Let's gets this thread back on track.

#353 11 months ago
Quoted from bobukcat:

I thought the same thing, we didn't get to spend as much time there as we wanted but it was very family friendly and there were lots and lots of women, not just drunken guys. We made friends with a group from Dusseldorf (three guys and two women) who let us crash their table and never really even saw anyone that drunk, and we certainly no inappropriate behavior towards any females there. Some Germans have been complaining lately that women from other countries are going to Oktoberfest in revealing dirndls and not more traditional styled ones, I didn't see too much of that when I was there four years ago so maybe I need to go back next year!

This is the difference between a real cultural holiday and the way Americans celebrate it. In Germany, or even in German bar houses and beer gardens in big cities places like Leavenworth (German style town in the mountains of Washington State with outdoor beer gardens), it's just normal people drinking and eating sausages and pretzels. German beer places are all the rage on the West Coast now, I dig the large shared tables, beers, sausages, etc. But in America, on Oktoberfest, it suddenly becomes about skimpy goofy outfits and over-indulgence, much like Halloween and St. Patrick's Day.

#354 11 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Nobody here wants to hear about your imaginary White privilege. Please keep that crap far, far away from here.

Ditto that. We get it now Bubble Head, you are a "broken record". Simple, don't like it, don't buy it.

Let's get back to talking about the F ing game!

There are great pins with crappy art, and this is decent imo for what the theme is, main thing always is the layout and the ruleset.

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#355 11 months ago

pinside lol

#356 11 months ago

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#357 11 months ago
Quoted from Dragon:

they have a whole fleet of these things around here

that looks like a fall hazard after you have a few

#358 11 months ago

ok

#359 11 months ago

I was just wondering which person could be charged with a DUI.

#360 11 months ago
Quoted from Wickerman2:

that looks like a fall hazard after you have a few

Looks even worse in video form!

https://www.denverpatioride.com/

Even we have one or two of those things

#361 11 months ago

beer

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#362 11 months ago

Right now, I am thinking of buying one to put out in public at a local bar next spring. There were lines to play it for a reason at Expo, people want something a little less MCU and DCU and All things hard rock. So maybe a OKF and a Stern Pro or Premium and then rotate a third LE machine in and out between MB, and CGG’s 4th remake and maybe a Houdini. Although Pinball Magic, TOM, and Houdini sitting in a lineup (with a nice Magic Girl too. What, too soon?) would be a good challenge.

#363 11 months ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

I was there in 1999, on a business trip to Munich, still have beer coasters and pictures from the landhaus near Hamburg where I had to stay because my room in Munich had been given away when our flight got delayed in Naples and we didnt get to Munich until late in the day. And yeah, when the tents get crowded, and there is no parking left anywhere in the town except on sidewalks and church steps (yes a guy tried to park in front of a church on the sidewalk) and the beer is flowing and the men are singing, the amount of bawdy dancing and singing can hide quite a bit of handsiness that the frualeins tend to just put up with. Maybe it has changed since then but not according to Christian, my exchange student, he said not much has changed when the young boys get together and drink. I guess since he is a 20 year old young German man from Hamburg, he doesnt know what he is talking about. This is Christian and Stian, my German and Norwegian Exchange students from 2 years ago at Christmas 2016 and the hand made German Noel calendar his mother made and sent to us is hanging over Christain’s head. So yeah, I’ll take my Oscar now for being that well traveled SOB who has been there and experienced it first hand, and had it confirmed it hasnt changed much since I was there almost 20 years ago. If you don’t believe me, I dont give a crap.
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Ok bublehead is a fitting handle and What is that dog doing to that exchange boy!! These pics are offensive! Umph

#364 11 months ago

Now that is funny... really.

#365 11 months ago

flip it

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#366 11 months ago

Final answer......

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#367 11 months ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

I am a 56 year old white married American Male living the same white Male privileged life as the rest of the white bread Male Americans have for the last 50 years.

The white male guilt is strong with this one

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#368 11 months ago
Quoted from manadams:

The white male guilt is strong with this one[quoted image]

So sad but true.

#369 11 months ago

I would venture that my worldview is just about as far from bublehead's as can be - but I think the monkey groping the girls is kinda cringe-y given the recent news cycle. Not sure I like it. I love the castrated monkey mascot but sans the creepy fondling.

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#370 11 months ago

I thought it might be useful for those making comments about the types of people who contacted American Pinball about the Oktoberfest backglass to hear from someone who actually did so.

This is from Emily Taylor.

"Thank you to all the men and women on this thread that are standing behind the change of artwork on this machine. I find this to be absolutely dumbfounding. I am one of the people that wrote to AP to complain about it. You can blame me, that’s totally fine, I have no problem with what I did. In fact, just assume that I am the only one that did, even though that’s not the case. Call me a ‘libturd’ or a ‘snowflake’ that’s fine. I’ll leave the message that I wrote to them, read it, maybe try to use some tiny minute amount of empathy while doing so."

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#371 11 months ago

It’s a nice-looking pin that looks like a blast to play. The monkey is out of place, I’m glad it’s being removed. I think this will be a home run for AP, great job on the layout and theme. Who doesn’t like beer?

#372 11 months ago
Quoted from swampfire:

Who doesn’t like beer?

AA and the 88,000 people that die from alcohol each year. Not being serious just thought we could start a new pitch fork campaign as the monkey is getting old already.

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#373 11 months ago

Sad that its come to this. The artwork now "condones assault on women". Give me a break.

Of all the things in the world to complain about.

#375 11 months ago

From now on, all pinball artwork will be pc. That is a fact. Not for or against. Just a fact.

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#376 11 months ago
Quoted from bkerins:

I thought it might be useful for those making comments about the types of people who contacted American Pinball about the Oktoberfest backglass to hear from someone who actually did so.
This is from Emily Taylor.
"Thank you to all the men and women on this thread that are standing behind the change of artwork on this machine. I find this to be absolutely dumbfounding. I am one of the people that wrote to AP to complain about it. You can blame me, that’s totally fine, I have no problem with what I did. In fact, just assume that I am the only one that did, even though that’s not the case. Call me a ‘libturd’ or a ‘snowflake’ that’s fine. I’ll leave the message that I wrote to them, read it, maybe try to use some tiny minute amount of empathy while doing so."
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I'm starting to notice more women at shows and new women are joining our league all the time. Perhaps Emily doesn't speak for all women.

#377 11 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

I'm starting to notice more women at shows and new women are joining our league all the time. Perhaps Emily doesn't speak for all women.

My wife, of 25 years, thinks this all is silly. It’s pinball. If you don’t like it, don’t play it or buy it.

#378 11 months ago
Quoted from dnapac:

My wife, of 25 years, thinks this all is silly. It’s pinball. If you don’t like it, don’t play it or buy it.

And somehow taking the monkey down is going to eliminate all male dirt bags that can't handle their own testosterone is just as silly also.

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#379 11 months ago
Quoted from dnapac:

My wife, of 25 years, thinks this all is silly. It’s pinball. If you don’t like it, don’t play it or buy it.

True enough. American has said the art is being changed, people need to stop whining about. Play it or don't, buy it or don't. It's a done deal, no reason to keep beating a dead horse. Or monkey, as the case may be

#380 11 months ago

Here you go in honor of what Oktoberfest is all about. A celebration of Beer, fun, great food, family, sexy Dirndl's and yes....getting hammered for 16 days. Oh the horror of it all.

https://www.ranker.com/list/the-100-sexiest-dirndl-girls-from-oktoberfest/greg?format=slideshow&slide=42

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#381 11 months ago
Quoted from dnapac:

My wife, of 25 years, thinks this all is silly. It’s pinball. If you don’t like it, don’t play it or buy it.

That's not how the world works these days. If anyone is remotely teeny bit offended by something they start a crusade to stop it. Because they think they are better than everyone else. Tolerance is what they ask for, but they do not give. I'm all about respecting women, but this fiasco is crazy wanna be rage. Tons of things wrong in the world that are way more important than some little art piece on a pinball machine, but I'm not brainwashed and entitled.

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#382 11 months ago
Quoted from nwpinball:

True enough. American has said the art is being changed, people need to stop whining about. Play it or don't, buy it or don't. It's a done deal, no reason to keep beating a dead horse. Or monkey, as the case may be

This moved beyond this pinball machine and this piece to what we can expect in the future. Say goodbye to original themes, and any sense of humor. The precedent has been made. People are offended by everything, and they will make sure they tell you. People with common sense know that you can just not buy the product if you don't like what it portrays. Instead the crazies want to shut everything down, and yes, they are crazy if this offended them. I hope that in removing it, those people all go out and buy it, but we know the majority won't, because that's not how they work.

Anyway, I've said my piece...a time or two too much I'm sure.

I hope this pinball does well. It looks really fun and once I can actually try it out I might buy it.

#383 11 months ago

Get woke, go broke.

#384 11 months ago

I say add more monkeys. Call it Grab Ass. Just kidding....take it easy.

#385 11 months ago
Quoted from Zablon:

This moved beyond this pinball machine and this piece to what we can expect in the future. Say goodbye to original themes, and any sense of humor. The precedent has been made. People are offended by everything, and they will make sure they tell you. People with common sense know that you can just not buy the product if you don't like what it portrays. Instead the crazies want to shut everything down, and yes, they are crazy if this offended them. I hope that in removing it, those people all go out and buy it, but we know the majority won't, because that's not how they work.

You sound hysterical. SAY GOODBYE TO ORIGINAL THEMES AND ANY SENSE OF HUMOR. Dramatic much?

I designed a new translite for ACDC featuring a big pair of scantily clad demon boobs with erect nipples, I'm not a prude, and I don't think breasts need to be banished from all pinball art. But I think the monkey is dumb and gross, I don't want to watch it grabbing women's asses either. They should go back and redo a lot of the art while they're at it, it's obviously not a home run with people.

You can be down with this: translite-centerflank.jpg

And be amused by blowjob jokes in Scared Stiff, and think that women being butt grabbed by a monkey is gross. Chill out.

#386 11 months ago
Quoted from kklank:

I say add more monkeys.

now were talking.

#387 11 months ago

With the amount of attention that one little monkey is getting i think AP are onto a winner! id re-theme the whole machine to be about just the cheeky monkey!

#388 11 months ago

Ban this too...?

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#389 11 months ago
Quoted from Aurich:

You sound hysterical. SAY GOODBYE TO ORIGINAL THEMES AND ANY SENSE OF HUMOR. Dramatic much?
I designed a new translite for ACDC featuring a big pair of scantily clad demon boobs with erect nipples, I'm not a prude, and I don't think breasts need to be banished from all pinball art. But I think the monkey is dumb and gross, I don't want to watch it grabbing women's asses either. They should go back and redo a lot of the art while they're at it, it's obviously not a home run with people.
You can be down with this: [quoted image]
And be amused by blowjob jokes in Scared Stiff, and think that women being butt grabbed by a monkey is gross. Chill out.

Aurich, you are level headed man and offer a great deal of cool stuff to the pinball community.
I dig your art, but what if any aspect of your art even if tastefully done is shut down by exaggerated comments from these SJW's?

Zablon is not sounding hysterical at all. There a clear observation of the ridiculous age of this Social Justice Warrior bullshit'

What is going down on AP's facebook at the moment is irritating , there are stupid comments of "rape" now from a cartoon monkey !
WTF you gotta be kidding me. The whole episode has been blown out of proportion.
The issue now is AP is shitting itself over some over stated and irrelevant comments on facebook.

I am glad I spend little time on the social media bullshit site, when I do to follow pinball manufacturers to see whats happening with AP makes me angry and sick.
and this shit may possible carry over to other manufacturers.

Perhaps the publicity may help sales, pity for the wrong reasons.

I agree a little more class can be implemented.

Yes AP the art package needs a little work, but please don't bow down to the PC bullshit.

We know you can produce a great package, I can see OKF being a top seller !

Sorry Joe@pinballstar, please excuse the thrashing/venting on your thread. We all know you are a top distributor and may many many sales of this super cool game from American Pinball find your way.

#390 11 months ago

I'm not a SJW, and actually think that movement is doing a horrible disservice to their own agenda.

However, the monkey playing grab-ass was probably a mistake from inception, and AP has done the right thing in removing it.
I don't have a lot of experience with real misogyny in pinball, but the history surely reflects a true misogynistic past and moving that forward would not really the best way to make pinball inclusive to everyone.

I was never going to buy this machine, but I'm more than fine with the monkey being removed and I think AP did what was right. Good job.

You guys who really love the monkey - if it had never been there in the first place, would you be asking for it to be put in?

"You know what this art needs? It needs a drunk-ass monkey with his hands up the skirts of some ladies. That would make it complete!"

#391 11 months ago

I'm having issues getting it. None of the AP artwork makes sense. The women cannot show cleavage, but a monkey can assault other women. I'm calling it for what it is at this point. It's what happens when you have a committee to design a race horse and end up with a camel. The art is simple all over the place and a better direction or tweaks are in order.

Game looks fun. Artwork is not good. That's my 2 cents for what they are worth which may be 0.

#392 11 months ago

So I can tell this thread is officially done with. Let's think about all that's terrible in the world including real acts of crime like someone actually sexually assaulting another female pinball player....... And then let's blame the monkey for it.

What a sad state of affairs. Lets all take National Lampoon's European vacation and burn it. Snowflakes rejoice!

I'm seriously out on this until we get back to pinball.

#393 11 months ago
Quoted from Aurich:

You can be down with this: [quoted image]
And be amused by blowjob jokes in Scared Stiff, and think that women being butt grabbed by a monkey is gross. Chill out.

This for sure.
Problem with the SJW's is that to shame blame successfully you have to reduce your target to a 1 dimensional blockhead. We are more complicated than that and more than one thing can be true at the same time. I can enjoy seeing sexy curves and cleavage, while being grossed out by a me-too moment with an animal.

In my view the monkey grab ass doesn't trigger outrageous indignation as much as it's just sophomoric and not very intelligent. I'd like AP NOT to bow to the SJW's, but instead decide that they're capable of something more clever and rework it for that reason alone.

#394 11 months ago
Quoted from Aurich:

You sound hysterical. SAY GOODBYE TO ORIGINAL THEMES AND ANY SENSE OF HUMOR. Dramatic much?
I designed a new translite for ACDC featuring a big pair of scantily clad demon boobs with erect nipples, I'm not a prude, and I don't think breasts need to be banished from all pinball art. But I think the monkey is dumb and gross, I don't want to watch it grabbing women's asses either. They should go back and redo a lot of the art while they're at it, it's obviously not a home run with people.
You can be down with this: [quoted image]
And be amused by blowjob jokes in Scared Stiff, and think that women being butt grabbed by a monkey is gross. Chill out.

Eh, it's not so much hysterical as pretty much proven in other areas where things like this has happened. Companies are not going to take chances and push boundaries if they are afraid they are going to get rick rolled over it. To me it's not about the monkey being there or not, but what it represents. I understand that someone could see it tacky or in bad taste if interpreted as it has been, that's not what bothers me.

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#396 11 months ago

The monkey needed to go, it was a poor choice to draw that in there.

#397 11 months ago
Quoted from gliebig:

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God damn snowflakes and fancy lads!

#398 11 months ago
Quoted from Zablon:

That's not how the world works these days. If anyone is remotely teeny bit offended by something they start a crusade to stop it. Because they think they are better than everyone else. Tolerance is what they ask for, but they do not give. I'm all about respecting women, but this fiasco is crazy wanna be rage. Tons of things wrong in the world that are way more important than some little art piece on a pinball machine, but I'm not brainwashed and entitled.

Quoted from Zablon:

This moved beyond this pinball machine and this piece to what we can expect in the future. Say goodbye to original themes, and any sense of humor. The precedent has been made. People are offended by everything, and they will make sure they tell you. People with common sense know that you can just not buy the product if you don't like what it portrays. Instead the crazies want to shut everything down, and yes, they are crazy if this offended them. I hope that in removing it, those people all go out and buy it, but we know the majority won't, because that's not how they work.
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You're not getting it. Your marginalizing the very real statements of actual pinball playing woman, who aren't just "remotely teeny bit offended by something", but reminded of traumatic experiences in their lives.

Unless you're some sort of sociopath who doesn't care about your fellow human beings, it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of logical sense to fight a battle (for comedy?), where people end up feeling hurt. And all just for a laugh?

Everyone, including the monkey (at this point an avatar for American Pinball), should lead by example; it's why some people even "start crusades", as you said, to do the right thing.

And when you're speaking of people not showing tolerance, you just mean you want them to be tolerant of the fact that you get laughs from a monkey grabbing a woman's butt, regardless of the fact that you know it makes people upset. Think about the cruelty in what you're saying. And why some people might be "intolerant" of that way of thought.

#399 11 months ago

I think it was meant to be funny ha ha, and it just isn't.

Lots of drama and over reaction here.

That said, if it were my daughter being depicted on the backglass with the monkey, I wouldn't be happy about it.

Of course sex sells, so nothing wrong with that if it's done in the right way.

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