Hi! Thanks for dropping by. I have a deluxe on order with Game Room Guys. I heard mention from interviews with AP that some elements of Oktoberfest could be changed for the next production run. Is this true and are they to address the membrane switches or is there any more light you could shine on what changes are in store? Thank you.

This is disappointing. Both the delay and the lack of bug fixes. If that’s the case on both ends I might pass and use the cash to put towards that overpriced Toy Story turd. Waiting longer and getting a product with problems doesn’t sound fun. With Josh gone and AP moving to a new system I doubt code will be fixed. Ferret What say you?

Same boat x3. First time nib here too. An article said they’d be switching after this next run, but with the delay... I wonder. That would mean cutting back on the matching powder coating, sculpts, head design, etc that make it stand out.

Frustrating that communication and transparency are not any pinball company’s strong suit. I don’t mind waiting I just want to know and have my expectations set right. Don’t say one thing and do another either. Under promise and over deliver.

Something in the settings. Custom attract picture. Probably added via jpeg file on clean USB stick.

I believe they already said no, that it’s a code and not hardware thing per se. That the code was re-written to speed things up on HW etc. and that wont be done for Oktoberfest.

Ferret Should I buy a used Oktoberfest for $7,200 or wait for the new title from AP? I own a HW and have a Cactus Canyon on order.

Pretty sure they should be hitting distributors in August. I had one on order but a minty fresh used one popped up locally. People on the list ahead of me were beginning to get ship notifications however.

Thanks! I really enjoy the fast action and ruleset of HW (and oh, the light show!). As far as Oktoberfest goes, I love the theme and how it’s a more laid back casual shooter. Any insight into what style of gameplay to expect on the next one?

This x 1 million!

And high scores for one handed mode!

Like cutting back on custom powdercoat and making the head the swoop design (All part of saving money and time)? Or are you suggesting improvements?

Could any of you OKT owners tell me if this game has any combo shots? I’ve only played it once on location and have watched some play through videos but can’t recall if any jackpots or modes etc require a combination or if most tents are single targets items. Looper, corkscrew, duck hunt, etc. Thanks!

Just thinking out loud here: The 180 ramp seems underutilized and offers little reward other than more magnabs (unless I’m mistaken). Tents that you enter are timed modes and eventually end whether or not you’ve successfully hit enough targets. Sometimes bad ball luck prevents you from getting shots on target in time (yes I know there’s a stein for that). My thought is about changing the code in such a way that staying in a tent is player’s choice and acts as a wagering system. A player may stay in a tent longer trying to accumulate more points but a drain during that mode loses all progress & points for that tent. Instead of timing out, the player could choose to exit the tent when they’ve had enough by hitting the 180 ramp! This way they’re wagering their points vs potential drain and cashing out when the reward is greater than the risk. If a player stays too long in a tent they could start to get drunken flippers and be “cut-off” thus adding to the risk/reward of overstaying your welcome.

My main goal is to make more use of the 180 and I think it becoming an exit point for a tent is a fun idea (similar to the TV shot in WCS94 or Sim Card in DI). Especially how it returns the ball to your flipper like you’re on your way out. Enter in the scoop, exit out the 180.

I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts.

I’m not sure if an “add time” shot on the 180 would interfere with the magnab people need to collect. I suppose if there was some other triggering event that occurred first to make the “add time” a special when lit shot on the 180 that could work. Two consecutive shots within a set timeframe on the 180? First = Mag, Second = Time (if hit back to back within ~15sec)?

I like the exit the tent idea better with an “unlimited” amount of time to wager your points based on the duration you can keep the ball in play up until the “drunken flippers” take over and you eventually get “cut off” and your flippers drop like Red Line Mania on HW.

Y’all need to come to Frankenmuth, Michigan!

Anyone have experience with this mustard? I usually go spicy brown or stone ground.

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Drinking this and thinking of our group. Happy Oktoberfest! See some resemblance to Otto?!

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Not cool. API, I hope you can make this right bc I’m looking forward to the next title and if QC is down it’s a non starter. NIB should be a good experience. Sorry you’re going through this jaytrem

That’s my understanding

Make sure to measure to the pillar on the headliner and not the reassessed roof section. That’s your lowest point. And +1 for not true fold flat seat awareness.

API - “Figure it out!”

Why, there could be anything in there. Maybe a bowling alley. Well not the whole damn alley. It’s a major award!

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I really want to own an Oktoberfest but it feels like people are having a considerable amount of glitches to work through or put up with. Is this true for most? I certainly appreciate Ferret being here but unless more updates are planned I worry that these may go unresolved. Is this a result of different code being used for OKT than HW and forward? I think this is an amazing theme and I genuinely want to own one. I merely don’t want to be disappointed by having to troubleshoot rather than play. Are things mostly ironed out or expected to be or is it plagued by nagging issues?

Thanks everyone for chiming in.

I’m wondering if anyone knows about the knocker. Is it included on all models? Also, is the shaker a necessary accessory? Thanks.

Ferret what is the new addon board for? Just saw this in the support section. Trying to get my ducks in a row (pun intended) for buying a OKT.

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Your honesty is appreciated. Saw the direction of the build quality and removal of components and canceled my NIB. Only looking at HUO with older build dates as an option if I add one to the collection.

WTF?

Just con”fused” is all.

Have you tried adjusting the power of the scoop up/down to change the trajectory?

^ the last three bugs mentioned are exactly the reason I haven’t bought this pin. Not those problems specifically, but the gremlins like them that seemingly live inside this game and pop out to say hi at inopportune times. I’m glad owners love this game, and I hope to be one of them some day, but these hiccups would drive me nuts.

I know anybody who purchases something isn’t likely to admit regret or disappointment. So my apologies for causing doubt in the owners thread. I have both been on a dealer buy list (then cancelled) and negotiated for used OKT because I really wanted this game. My personal feelings, however, are that when I turn on a game to compete with friends or chill in my own headspace I want the game to work as expected. For the record, my API Hot Wheels runs flawlessly!

Maybe these? https://ballbaron.com/product/pinball-carbon/

Darn it all I may have to get this pin after all ...

Any AP folk know if there was ever an OKT prototype with an inner orbit rather than the newton ball/hammer feature next to Otto?
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I feel like that space would really open up some flow with an additional ball path and return the ball to the side flipper for another chance at the barrel. Great for the pretzel mode too as the combo required could be “outer orbit, inner orbit” - & style. It would also be another way to feed the pops using the mag nab to drop into the TAP lanes.
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I’d move the captive ball to where the tent entrance is and make the 180° ramp the tent scoop instead. I don’t see many people making use of the 180° as it is.

I know you’re looking for vertical ball action but this effect could’ve been achieved with an ascending LED light show up a post representing the strength of a captive ball hit towards the “bell”. A force sensor could have been used to detect the impact.

From the internet:
A Force Sensor is defined as a transducer that converts an input mechanical load, weight, tension, compression or pressure into an electrical output signal.
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There are 4 key uses for Force sensors. They detect and measure:
*Force from an applied load
*Rate of change of a force load over time
*Force thresholds to trigger appropriate action
*Contact and/or touch

Looking to join the club if anyone has eyes on a used one near Michigan. Thx!

If barrel lock 3 is showing red, what’s the fix? TY

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Amazing! Thank you Josh. This is currently happening on a machine I’m hoping to buy. It has low plays so there is potential for your “not in 30” solution. Fingers crossed that I’ll be in the “Fest” family soon!

Seems thats the way we’re headed. Will a replacement permanently solve this or will it be plagued by a recurring fault?

Well let’s hope a replacement works because I’m going to need it!

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Heads up Ferret I ordered two membrane switches as well as some flipper rubbers and target decals and they were sent in a small bubble mailer with no protection. One wire was pretty crimped and everything else was just sliding around on the switches inside the envelope. I was smart enough to cut open the package carefully but someone could’ve easily sliced through the flexible ribbon if they hadn’t been paying attention. For an $80 piece of sensitive electronics I figured there would be some additional insulation around them or ship in a solid box so they dont get crushed by the delivery service.

I’ll admit seeing the recent production NIB games is the reason why I went looking for a version from 2019. My barrel has faux woodgrain sculpted into the print as well as the appropriate coloration/texture for a keg. Additionally, Otto is either in a much higher resolution or someone took their time smoothing out the print lines before final paint. Good job bringing yours back to life!

My helper getting the membrane switch swapped out!

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Hit a snag. This “pinix login” keeps looping vs. booting. Please help!
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For context I was on code 19.x.x and updated to the newest 22.x.x Then this happened.
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Resolved! Erased and Reformatted USB stick. It was brand new and empty but clearly had some fragments hiding...
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I thought fewer speakers, uniform head design, changes to the sculpts. I’ve yet to see a head shaped differently though.

Higher resolution would’ve been nice

Does anyone know why I would be getting major feedback through the speakers every time the shaker fires? It’s an audible buzz/hum tone at the intensity and lasting the duration of the pulse.
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Disabling shaker in the settings eliminates the distortion. How can I fix this so that the game works as it should with the rumble but no feedback?

It’s present with and without the noise filter in-line. I bypassed that to see if it would resolve. No joy. Somehow the amplifier is getting a signal tied to the shaker. Seems mostly produced by the top two stereo speakers. Ferret rosh Any suggestions?

Double and triple checked connections. Will do re: ticket. Vibration doesn’t cause the distortion (ala loose connection) the impulse of the motor (power surge) seems to somehow transfer and be made audible through the speakers. The machine is relatively new to me and both membrane switches needed to be replaced to get the multiballs to work. Therefore I am only just now experiencing the anomaly, but as Skilame mentioned about his, mine too has intermittently resolved itself for a short time but shows up again after a power cycle. The only thing that changed recently is that I added the topper lighting kit from the API website. Removing the new LED connection doesn’t eliminate the problem.

Does everyone’s machine make a pretty loud electronic pop from the speakers when flipping on the power switch?
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I have short videos of all the above that I’ll upload and share links to later.

Ok. Took the monitor off and unplugged everything. Checked all the connections and brought more slack out in a few spots. I separated audio cables from power cords to eliminate EMI/RF signals crossing. Everything is back together with the shaker turned on and it seems to like whatever I did. Thanks Ferret and LTG
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BTW Ferret, I somehow managed to hit a post off the plunge then nailed the upper flipper into the beer barrel. The game was a little surprised and stayed on the skill shot screen rather than playing the lock animation (call out worked). I don’t think it expected a barrel lock as the first switch hit during a plunge.

Stick your tongue on each of them 2 at a time until you find out. J/K

Co-op/team high score save?

But there isn’t saved leaderboards for it.

Ferret- Could you add an adjustment for ball search time please? Sometimes I noticed the membrane switches didn’t register a locked ball fast enough and it would trigger a search. Thus causing a double ball feed and losing track of the ball in play. If we could delay search by a second or two the game wouldn’t release locks or put a ball in the shooter lane so quickly and the game would sort itself. User adjustable please. (However, since replacing both membrane switches this hasn’t been a problem as they detect fast enough).

FYI, since replacing the membrane switch this hasn’t been an issue. But for the record I’ll share more of what I experienced.
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It happened when I was testing the corkscrew membrane switches. Lock 1 and Lock 2 registered but 3 was intermittent. If I shot the ramp and locked two balls, the third would go up and sit on the switch but not register right away. With the glass off I would apply pressure with my finger on top of ball 3 and the lock would register its position. However, before the roller coaster animation and light show finished (long cutscene) and released the balls, ball search or something else would kick in and eject a ball into the shooting lane and auto plunge. So I don’t know if the coaster lock switches are coded to act as a “hit” and restart the 20 second timer or not but somehow there’s an interaction between them and feeding another ball if the rest are not detected or released in time. Could the time it takes to detect a lock plus the time waiting for the multiball graphics to play out cause this? Are the lock switches coded to register a hit and reset the ball search timer? Füd for thought...

Wunderbar!

Agreed. First the beer fraus, now the ducks. We need a link please!

If mode = team, when result = end of game, only when point value is > than previous saved value, then insert high score entry display for cooperative leaderboard. PS - I don’t know how to code. Lol.

I might as well start planning now (albeit late). This time of year always sneaks up on me. Who here organizes or attends large scale Oktoberfest events in the midwest? If you could point me in the direction of the land of lederhosen, polka, wurst, and bier I’d be much obliged. Seeing how I probably wont get to Germany any time soon I’d love to attend something locally to celebrate the season. Any info helps!

Love shooting galleries! So upset that Cedar Point (roller coaster park in OH) has removed both of theirs. I don’t know where to get my fix these days. Do some Cabelas or Great Outdoors/Bass Pro shops have them? A home one would be great but what are you thinking for your setup?

This place looks great! Thanks for the suggestion. We have family in PA so that could work.
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I know I’d love it but I can imagine the blast my kids would have too with those games. Those are the ones that brought me such joy as a kid. All the midway games (even if there are any) now, are crap. And the people running the games are uninspiring. Not the experience I want my kids having so we’ve skipped those of late at CP. Knoebels looks like a great place to make memories.

I thought about that. We’ve been there many times during the rest of the year but never for the festival season. It’s a bit touristy for my liking and wondered if the holiday celebration would follow suit. I’ll look into it though. Thanks Josh!

Didn’t someone in this thread host an Oktoberfest event in Wisconsin? I seem to remember them posting pictures of all their spent kegs behind a shed.

Thanks for the pointers and sharing your firsthand knowledge. Looking good!

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Checking out the festival page the event looks to exceed my expectations! Also has an impressive history...
“Lord Mayor Christian Ude and the German Parliament from Munich gave an official proclamation in 1996. Frankenmuth's Oktoberfest was declared the first Oktoberfest to operate with the blessing of the original Oktoberfest in Munich.”
...And they have wiener dog races!
https://frankenmuthfestivals.com/frankenmuth-oktoberfest

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Great shop! Definitely ordering some this evening.

This looks great too! Decided I’m going to Frankenmuth on the 14th. We have friends in Cumming, GA so maybe I could arrange a later trip since the festival in GA runs for a few weeks? Is that right?

Episode 115 of Loserkid pinball podcast talked about bootlegging translites for the JP30 machine. I’m sure we could track down who they were talking about using and get them to produce the OKT one. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/loserkid-pinball-podcast/id1449340535?i=1000624770191

I’m in. Group buy?

Are we talking about this graphic?

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Anyone have a way of getting a scan from an original glass or have the graphic’s image file? PM me for secret squirrel stuff

So you checked the connections on the door switch side but what about tracing back the wire to where it connects to a board on the underside of the playfield/power supply? Chances are something tugged it loose back inside the cabinet when you lifted it. Check both ends

Corkscrew ramp? If you’re trying to backhand that ramp from the leff flipper then that’s pretty much impossible.

There’s also a setting in menu to enable a coil boost on the right flipper when the ball is trapped up. Additionally I believe the newest code defaults the right flipper coil strength higher when the corkscrew ramp drops for a feed. There might be individual power settings you can adjust for these scenarios.

Not a bad idea to reset everything to factory defaults and start over with adjustments. There’s a setting for that as well.

Kicking it off with a tapping tonight @ 7pm! I’m pulling in now.

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More to come!

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ein Prosit! Thanks rosh for the suggestion. We’re glad we went. Thursday had some great music, food, and friends. Definitely less crowded than I hear it gets on the weekend. Nice not having to stand in lines or shoulder to shoulder all the time. We met the troop from Austria (Alpine Palooza) who does the crazy dances and gets the crowd into spirit. I took fewer pictures than I had planned since we were having such a good time. Happy Oktoberfest everyone! Prost!AC03C3FC-CB04-4020-83B3-126AC75DCAB1 (resized).jpeg8D2CE837-8FC6-4C44-AE6B-DFBA7BD7DF1B (resized).jpegFEA6E129-F094-4654-9CDA-4D31510A10B8 (resized).jpeg86C19F13-2E0C-4927-A999-96E6FD97AD6C (resized).jpeg

Standard/Classic = base game
Deluxe = added shaker motor, knocker, and magic glass.
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Both have art blades and the topper.
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Keep in mind API has changed the naming system in the last year and what they call deluxe now isn’t the same as what it was originally. The new ones being produced may not have the additional items mentioned above. Also newer builds may have fewer speakers than before and there was talk of doing away with the brown powder coating for a more generic black rail instead.

I’d be in the market for a cool shooter

Totally epic!

I dig it. Always thought some tap handles would look good up there. Thanks for showing us your creation.

Watching a Christmas favorite tonight. Which Kenosha kicker is our accordion playing Oktoberfest musician?

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Reminds me of the Holy hand grenade, lol

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Thanks for the info guys. I have an uncle about 30 mins from where he performs. I may have to drop in next time I’m through those parts!

A steal for anyone searching for an OKT
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/168804

Someone remind me again how fun this game is?! I love seeing this thread light up.

I feel like a graphic T-shirt with the steins on them would be doable. Maybe we’d need some source files for high res images.

Thanks for the backstory on the pops and steins! Sherlock would still capture my attention...

Nice work!

Nice! I like that shooter too. Haven’t seen it before.

Had that issue on the rollercoaster lock. I thought adjusting the stop post would correct the alignment with (and therefore functionality of) the membranes. Unfortunately they were glitchy regardless and needed to be replaced. A new set resolved all the lost ball and odd lock release issues.

Its going to take some tweaking to get the ball path balanced. One thing I noticed is the difference in the support rings of your habitrail to mine. My rings have cut outs and yours are full circles. My yellow ramp fits under the wireform and yours presses on it. Getting clearance so that there’s no tension on the beer barrel lock ramp will improve its reliability. It needs to be leveled.

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Adjusting the VUK slide is your only way to make room. As someone mentioned raising it up would help but even loosening and adjusting the standoffs and supports will give you some freedom of movement to take pressure off the beer barrel ramp.

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I had mine all apart to replace that rubber between the bar and the VUK (not fun) so I know that fitting it all back and making work is trial and error and fine tuning of placement and tension.

Just note that when fixing the barrel ramp by adjusting the sky slide wireform I solved one problem and created another. The VUK needed a boost to it’s power to get up and over the bend and when I didn’t have the path level the ball fell off the track halfway down the playfield. So make sure to test the sky slide before closing up the machine otherwise you’ll be pulling glass to fix that. *Heads up that there are thin washers between the standoff posts and wireform anchors. So when you loosen or remove the nuts keep an eye out for those thin discs slipping out.

Anyone have extra membrane switches I could buy?

Glass off roll balls into each of the locks. Make sure all membrane switches recognize the ball positions in the barrel and the roller coaster. You can do this during a game or in the switch test. Seeing the balls lock and release for multiball would be a good vote of confidence.

rosh says he has a replacement prototype but his project is on the back burner for now.

A steal if someone is looking. *not my machine, btw

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/171931

I didn’t realize this was that same seller/pin that’s come around a few times. I’d definitely want to deal with someone straight forward and honest rather than get burned by a “good deal”.

Inga. But I wont tell you were cheating on her.

And they’ll both be happy that you can “keep it up” now.

5 great pins. Look which one is on.