(Topic ID: 240640)

Oktoberfest - Wonka Discussion


By konjurer

42 days ago



Topic Stats

  • 96 posts
  • 51 Pinsiders participating
  • Latest reply 17 days ago by TheFamilyArcade
  • Topic is favorited by 9 Pinsiders

You

Linked Games

Topic Gallery

There have been 6 images uploaded to this topic. (View topic image gallery).

6856BAB5-1E48-43B5-8528-C8D252B26555 (resized).jpeg
3048610B-7255-4FE8-B472-088466111A8E (resized).jpeg
A1FBA84E-6C16-4B5C-8D35-298FA733F086 (resized).jpeg
759F81E6-2031-43E0-96B3-BE111928733E (resized).jpeg
5606CBAE-8862-4892-B7AB-3CBC37AC593A (resized).jpeg
20190412_120951 (resized).jpg

There are 96 posts in this topic. You are on page 2 of 2.
#51 37 days ago
Quoted from trilogybeer:

Wonka’s code is way too early , it has potential but in its current state it is not very good . Last night at MGC the wonkas were completely open ,no one playing them and there was still lines to play the 3 Oktoberfest games .

Absolute fabrication. The 7 Wonka machines were in steady us from reveal to show end. AP brought 3 machines, so they were also busy, but with fewer players.

#52 37 days ago
Quoted from Captain-Flint:

I played both... and if you played both you would understand the quality build of Wonka versus Oktoberfest.

I played both and got the exact opposite impression that you did . Wonka had some type of resin filling in a slot near the lock from something that had obviously been recently changed , ghost images on the inserts that had been covered up with new artwork for changes in rules , modes that were incomplete , didn't make sense ,Not good integration to theme or just not fun , sounds borrowed from WOZ .The movie clips that were used were good but could have been implemented better and the game needs more for sure . The animations created for this game are nothing more than OK . And yeah there is are few clunky shots in the game mainly the shots from the upper right flipper under the Wonka vision . We were clearly playing prototype versions of Wonka at MGC , and if you are happy with what you played there I'm sure you'll be very happy with the finished product , but the game did nothing for me and have no desire to play it again until it is more finished . It may not be a contest to you but it is for others and considering they are in the same price range ( although you don't get the Wonkavator ball lock in the $7,500 version of the game , You have to pay $2,000 more to get that )

#53 37 days ago

Well, I like both, so I'll end up with both. I brought one of the Oktoberfest home with me from mgc. I'm putting it in route tomorrow. Hopefully it will earn decent to let me afford Wonka in a few months when the Limited Edition starts to ship.

I find it humorous how people bash a game when comparing them. Not every game is for every one. Hell, I hate Twilight zone. Should I argue with everyone that rated it high since there opinion isn't the same as mine

#54 37 days ago
Quoted from konjurer:

I think you're likely right. At the end of the day, I want fun for my $$s. And I haven't written off ACNC yet either. I played it Expo and it sucked but the machine was having major issues so I want to give it another chance.

Definitely give ACNC another chance. I was very skeptical until I played it at TPF and was surprised how far it has come with the new code. Had a lot of fun on it. Kept going back for more. They had one ACNC in the King Pin booth and two in the Spooky booth. All three games were busy with a line the entire show. Planning to pick up a used one for a friend next week. Pretty excited about getting a chance to play it more in a home setting.

On the flip side, was very excited to play Oktoberfest at TPF for the first time. On the few different machines I played it was very difficult to get it up the ramp on all of them. Some say it could be a voltage issue with so many games sharing AC power at the event.

I can say that compared to ACNC, the art / animations were not nearly as good for me personally. I really didn't have a natural desire to want to play Oktoberfest more after a few games. If I don't ever play it again, I don't think I will be sad about that. It has a lot going on, but didn't do it for me as much as I wanted it to.

Looking forward to playing Wonka. Layout looking good. Not a huge fan of the art, but can't wait to flip it and see where the code goes.

#55 37 days ago
Quoted from vidgameseller:

Should I argue with everyone that rated it high since there opinion isn't the same as mine

Yes, until they agree with you or cry "uncle".

#56 37 days ago

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and entitled to spend $7000 plus dollars any way you want.

However let me put it to you this way... all pinball games get boring after a while. I think WOZ might be the game that now gets played the least yet still never comes up for sale and when they do they get top dollar and sell within minutes.

Now we see Houdini’s coming up for sale and they fetching about 5500 to 5800 dollars. Houdini is a better theme than Oktoberfest, the artwork on the game looks better, and it comes across as a licensed theme. October fest might be a more fun game than Houdini but in the long run Houdini will keep more value than Oktoberfest because of the relation to an American Icon.

You will buy Octoberfest today for 7400 and you will sell it a year from now for a 2k loss... because of the theme, you’ll lose a great deal of value as the game ages. Whereas I think Wonka is a game that you might sell for less than you pay but it won’t be much. With Wonka you cal sell the game locally on facebook or craigslist and just like for example GOT you’ll fine a fan of the movie/TV show.

Oktoberfest will probably only be hunted down by opportunist pinball buyers. Meaning prepare to take a bath.

WOZ resells awesome because people who don’t buy pinballs will buy it because of the theme.

In the long run lets say 3 years from now Oktoberfest probably sells for about $4000 and Wonka will still sell for 7k plus.

On every single level Wonka is the better investment if you’re looking to buy a new pinball game. Hands down.

I agree Oktoberfest is a fun game, but the artwork and theme are confusing, cgi graphics are average or below average, and the theme is a D at best... I agree the game gets an A for fun but that has nothing to do with what it will be worth after another 6 to 8 new pinballs go up for sale over the next 12 months.

-1
#57 37 days ago
Quoted from Frogman:

Absolute fabrication. The 7 Wonka machines were in steady us from reveal to show end. AP brought 3 machines, so they were also busy, but with fewer players.

Yes the Wonkas had a nice steady line during show hours . I did clarify 2 posts later the timeframe I was referring to .

At midnight I could have walked up to any of the five wonkas and played them . There was still lines at Oktoberfest at that point.

My statement was not any sort of fabrication at all , Just needed clarification as to what time it was when I saw the open Wonkas and lines at Oktoberfest and I made that clear 2 posts later.

#58 37 days ago
Quoted from drfrightner:

... I agree Oktoberfest is a fun game ...

Dammit man - you've gone and sold me on Oktoberfest yet again! AP should be paying you commissions!

Looking more and more forward to owning one!!!

#59 37 days ago
Quoted from drfrightner:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and entitled to spend $7000 plus dollars any way you want.
However let me put it to you this way... all pinball games get boring after a while. I think WOZ might be the game that now gets played the least yet still never comes up for sale and when they do they get top dollar and sell within minutes.
Now we see Houdini’s coming up for sale and they fetching about 5500 to 5800 dollars. Houdini is a better theme than Oktoberfest, the artwork on the game looks better, and it comes across as a licensed theme. October fest might be a more fun game than Houdini but in the long run Houdini will keep more value than Oktoberfest because of the relation to an American Icon.
You will buy Octoberfest today for 7400 and you will sell it a year from now for a 2k loss... because of the theme, you’ll lose a great deal of value as the game ages. Whereas I think Wonka is a game that you might sell for less than you pay but it won’t be much. With Wonka you cal sell the game locally on facebook or craigslist and just like for example GOT you’ll fine a fan of the movie/TV show.
Oktoberfest will probably only be hunted down by opportunist pinball buyers. Meaning prepare to take a bath.
WOZ resells awesome because people who don’t buy pinballs will buy it because of the theme.
In the long run lets say 3 years from now Oktoberfest probably sells for about $4000 and Wonka will still sell for 7k plus.
On every single level Wonka is the better investment if you’re looking to buy a new pinball game. Hands down.
I agree Oktoberfest is a fun game, but the artwork and theme are confusing, cgi graphics are average or below average, and the theme is a D at best... I agree the game gets an A for fun but that has nothing to do with what it will be worth after another 6 to 8 new pinballs go up for sale over the next 12 months.

I think the price loss Oktoberfest depends on where you live. California,florida etc maybe. In the midwest it will be sought after greatly in the german beer drinking cities. If there arent many made and non pinball players at bars etc just find out about it years down the road I can see it being a fortune. Wonka will hold its value but will not be as rare.

#60 37 days ago

Oktoberfest is a great game, it just lacks in the animations and sound. Love to own one.

#61 37 days ago

My friend Jeremy of Pinball Mayhem did a lot of filming at MGC. he has posted a Wonka video

https://www.facebook.com/PinballMayhem/videos/1491289784341571/

I suspect that he will be uploading Oktoberfest soon BKsor is posted

#62 37 days ago

Wonka is a great theme but the game play looks and sounds like a cross between WOZ and DI. Two of my least favorite games. Not a huge fan of the octoberfest theme, but the game looks more fun and much more bang for the buck. AP has really scored a win.

#63 37 days ago
Quoted from robotron:

this thread is difficult for me because i cant decide which is better, chocolate or beer?!!!

3048610B-7255-4FE8-B472-088466111A8E (resized).jpeg
#64 37 days ago

I can't wait until people start rating games that haven't even been announced yet.

#65 37 days ago

I've played both. I like WONKA better.

#66 37 days ago

I have only played oktoberfesr, but I liked it a lot. Wonka looks nice, but...as several have said already...I wasn't blown away by it. I also have heard that wonka could use more coding.

Having said that, I woukd have to give oktoberfest the early lead. That could change, however.

Im sure both games are fun. We are really blessed to be in the midst of the 2nd golden age of pinball.

#67 37 days ago

My wallets safe. I would not buy any of them.

#68 33 days ago
Quoted from Waxx:

I enjoyed ACNC much more than Oktoberfest at TPF. I also find it odd how a game with diverters and magnets everywhere is "back to basics". I think people need to play them all and pick the one they enjoy the most but I find it fascinating people are trying to start a talking point that Wonka is missing mechs.

It's missing "custom" mechs things that haven't been done before. Everything in Wonka has been done to death, screen on star wars and even Pat's gobstopper (on Oktoberfest). Wonka has no drops no real bash toy no levitating monkey mech no pop up goblins no awesome hologram spinners or drones, no rocking upper playfield ("cool shit"). I'll play it eventually and decide. I'm not dissing Wonka, just calling it like I see it. magnets alone and some saucers is back to basics.

#69 32 days ago
Quoted from Viggin900:

Yeah Balcer has more balls than Lawlor between the 2. He really pushed the envelope on Oktoberfest and wasn't afraid to try something entirly new even though it is taking time to make adjustments to the ramps. Wonka looks cool but is the same layout as judge dredd and the "gobstopper"mech looks sort of gimmicky. Granted I havnt played that one but would have been just as happy with drop targets that drop and reveal a hole behuind it. The beer barrel seems more interesting to shoot for than the simple Wonkavater. Oktoberfest wont win any awards for art but probably game design.

I understand and appreciate the sentiment but “balls” don’t make good playfield layouts. “Balls” don’t help a poorly designed upper flipper shot work. “Balls” don’t interest me as much as a layout with great geometry and overall design even if it has plenty of elements I’ve seen before.

There aren’t a lot of surprises in a Steve Ritchie layout but I don’t care, I almost always like the layouts. Same with Lawlor.

AP is going to have to get layouts right if they are really going to be able to hook players and buyers and so far they are 0-2.

#70 32 days ago
Quoted from konjurer:

I may end up buying a Wonka SE after playing. I'm just trying to be objective. Clearly there are more interesting mechs in Oktoberfest compared to the SE. Not saying it shoots better or has better art or animation. I've been extremely critical of the art and animations on Fest - BUT at the same time Wonka has some serious short comings in those areas too.
I posted my data on Fest... go ahead and compare. No one has taken me up on doing a fair comparison. Inform me. Personally, I feel let down by the reveal.

Sounds like you havent flipped either of these pins.

Given what you said your criteria is for purchasing one, I really recommend you play them both first.

I like Oktoberfest. I played it at the reveal at expo, tpf, and mgc. It plays slower than even Wonka does. Lots of waiting for the ball to get back to you. It's a cool layout. Side by side, it's not really close. Wonka shoots better, quality of JJP, and looks great (although if we are talking standard you could go either way).

Maybe it's just me, but when I play I look at the playfield and the backglass display. I dont look at the side of the game. From the front and everything you see playing, Wonka is gorgeous.

#71 31 days ago

I played at least 12 games on Oktoberfest yesterday and I really enjoyed it. The layout feels unique and a blast to shot. Very different feel than Houdini. The skill shot is really fun. The Otto toy is a better implementation than the Houdini stage.

There’s a lot of stuff packed in. The rules were easy to understand and really fun. I couldn’t make the rollercoaster ramp but I was able to get a few balls in the beer barrel lock. The MagNab feature is fun and makes that shot much easier.

The art and animations look much better in person. Still hoping for some polish on the animations but I’m less concerned after seeing them in person. The playfield is beautiful and very colorful. It’s just a fun looking game to walk up to. Hopefully we’ll see a lot of these going to bars and bar area as it’s the perfect game for those locations. On the other hand, it’s a great game for families as well. Has a festive, carnival feel for sure.

I think API has produced another great machine. Just gotta play Wonka now but The Fest is certainly on my short list for my next pin.

#72 26 days ago

I played both machines and my first impression is:

For the moment Wonka plays a little worthier and Oktoberfest is a little funnier. Bottomline I liked both games, but don´t understand this really boring rocktheme from Oktoberfest, which has nothing to do with the music played in Oktoberfest tents. Btw the word "FÜD" (Frenzy) doesn´t exist in Germany, that´s funny somehow. Does this word have a meaning in the US?

With the final codes both games will find a place in Pinside´s Top 100.

#73 26 days ago
Quoted from O-from-DO:

I played both machines and my first impression is:
For the moment Wonka plays a little worthier and Oktoberfest is a little funnier. Bottomline I liked both games, but don´t understand this really boring rocktheme from Oktoberfest, which has nothing to do with the music played in Oktoberfest tents. Btw the word "FÜD" (Frenzy) doesn´t exist in Germany, that´s funny somehow. Does this word have a meaning in the US?
With the final codes both games will find a place in Pinside´s Top 100.

No idea what fud is supposed to stand for. Agreed on the music, bad choice on AP’s part.

#74 26 days ago

Fudd beer is the most popular beer in Shelbyville which is the direct rival of Springfield’s Duff beer.

6856BAB5-1E48-43B5-8528-C8D252B26555 (resized).jpeg
#75 25 days ago

I think FUD is just a play on words but it is also a well known acronym for "fear, uncertainty and doubt."

1 week later
#76 18 days ago

Gameplay alone (removing sounds and art) I have to admit I had more fun playing Oktoberfest at Allentown
but i only had 2 short games on Wonka - with more time on both machines this opinion is subject to change

#77 18 days ago

I can't think of anything more boring than a game based on a beer festival....so to make an interesting and fun game from something so dull is a testament to the talent involved. The Wonka team didn't need to work as hard having been gifted a home run licence, and they delivered a pleasing but familiar game.

Neither game blows me away but OFT has a more interesting design.

#78 18 days ago
Quoted from konjurer:

Yes, I am trolling just a bit but... Wonka SE looks awesome for the money and some people were quick to take jabs at Oktoberfest over in the Wonka thread. It does look like a great option. Wonka has better art and animations but, feature-to-feature, Fest has has MORE stuff and new ideas in the mechanicals. Prove me wrong.
Here's what's in the Fest:
Ramp that raises and lowers
Rollercoaster Shack physical 3 ball lock
Upper Flipper
180 Ramp that feeds into lock
Beer Barrel physical 3 ball lock
Bar Toy that you bash to open then hit into bar and drop into the toy, Otto head spins (hmmm... functionally similar to the Goobstopper toy)
Two VUKs to some of the most interesting wireforms - clearly more interesting that Wonka wireframes
PROST bank of 5 slim line targets
OKTOBER bank of 7 slim line targets in cresent formation
FEST bank of 4 slim line targets also in cresent formation
3 Duck Targets
Full RGB LEDs on playfield and GI
4 Magnets
MagNab with 3rd button next to right flipper - right hand only mode
3 lanes into a 3 pop bumper nest
6 speaker audio plus 8" sub
I may end up with a BKSoR or a Wonka but I'm not going to dismiss Oktoberfest either - ton of stuff on that playfield and I love the beer and brats atmosphere of the Fest. Having not played it I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see anything revolutionary in Wonka. I think Balcer pushed the envelope just a bit more that Lawlor. Flame on.

Have you played either? Because if you haven’t this thread is stupid.

-9
#79 18 days ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

Gameplay alone (removing sounds and art) I have to admit I had more fun playing Oktoberfest at Allentown
but i only had 2 short games on Wonka - with more time on both machines this opinion is subject to change

Safe to say... you need more time on them. Wonka is so much better!

Give okturdbeerfest a year and it will be selling for sub5k just like houdini does.

#80 18 days ago

I thought Oktoberfest was great at expo, got better at Texas and I didnt get to play in allentown.i would like to own one for sure.

Wonka will be great too, give it sometime, the JJP crew will do a great job.

#81 18 days ago
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

Have you played either? Because if you haven’t this thread is stupid.

This thread was started when almost no one had played it yet. 90% of the pinball world still have not played both machines yet. This thread was to discuss and compare the feature sets of both machines. I was being a little provocative in the thread title but I wanted to start a very specific discussion about the lack of stuff in Wonka - especially after all of the over the top hype.

Where's the innovation in Wonka? Supposedly, this is the "pinnacle" of what can be done in pinball in 2019. It was just a bit disappointing to me at the time of the reveal. That's just my opinion. There 10,000 other people on Pinside that spout an opinion about pinball machines before they actually play them. Don't be so butt-hurt about it - it's just a toy after all.

#82 18 days ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

Safe to say... you need more time on them. Wonka is so much better!
Give okturdbeerfest a year and it will be selling for sub5k just like houdini does.

Not so sure about that , Wonka could be a better game at some point , but the Wonkas that I played at MGC were not .I did play more games on Wonka than Oktoberfest but I enjoyed Oktoberfest much more and would like to own one . Wonka I will play it again in like 6 months and see If it’s better , I know it will be but what I will really be looking for is something to capture my interest . Wonka is easier to shoot for sure (but easy doesn’t really do it for me ) I could combo the ramps on Wonka all day long but what’s the point ?give me a reason to shoot something and make it interesting this is what Oktoberfest does so much better than Wonka . I’m sure Wonka will be a better more interesting game 6 months or a year from now than it is now .But will it be better than Oktoberfest? Time will tell and maybe I will change my mind but at this point Oktoberfest is the clear winner between the two for me .

-4
#83 18 days ago

I'm another member of the Oktoberfest club. It kills Wonka for me. Wonka is just same old rehashed Lawlor trying to reclaim his glory days. The ship has sailed. Oktoberfest is the new kid in town and he's winning.

-7
#84 18 days ago

American pinball is liable to go out of business and i know people who are afraid to buy a Oktoberfest because of that. and i played it at allentown with low expectations and they weren’t met. the game felt super clunky when i played it. the flippers don’t feel nice and the game isn’t too fast. the art it absolutely dreadful. the header is ugly in the shape of it. the animations are terrible as-well. the inserts look really bad and the light show wasn’t good. i wouldn’t be in for one and would easily take a Willy Wonka SE or a BKSOR premium for the same price.

mjr

#85 17 days ago
Quoted from MJR8peanut:

American pinball is liable to go out of business

I don't think so. They are building for a good future. New building. Two lines for them. One line for other people or projects.

They plan to be around.

LTG : )

#86 17 days ago
Quoted from LTG:

I don't think so. They are building for a good future. New building. Two lines for them. One line for other people or projects.
They plan to be around.
LTG : )

I tend to agree. While NO company will ever make a pin for Everyone API seems to be doing the right things with a deep bench of talent and commitment to see it through. No company can be expected to hit grand slams right out of the gate but they seem to be well set for a long future.

#87 17 days ago
Quoted from LTG:

I don't think so. They are building for a good future. New building. Two lines for them. One line for other people or projects.
They plan to be around.
LTG : )

I weighed this pretty heavily when considering Houdini (which I love) and after seeing that most of the electronics in the game are P-ROC or relatively easy to source my fears were assuaged. The fact the developers are so active here also helps as I think they would continue on with support / development if they could. Any company could go out of business and pinball has certainly seen that happen but with the backing API has I feel like even if they did shut down the pinball operations their contract manufacturing side could still produce enough stock of the custom bits that owners of their games would be in pretty good shape. That said I sure hope they're around for the long haul because I like their games and what they're doing, Oktoberfest is a lot of fun and I could absolutely see me owning one.

#88 17 days ago
Quoted from bobukcat:

I weighed this pretty heavily when considering Houdini (which I love) and after seeing that most of the electronics in the game are P-ROC or relatively easy to source my fears were assuaged. The fact the developers are so active here also helps as I think they would continue on with support / development if they could.

P-ROC was a factor for me as well. I know that there will be boards available and someone could recode the game from scratch if needed/desired.

#89 17 days ago

FYI... I changed the topic title as it was too provocative and generating negative reactions. This was not my intention but I can certainly see how that happened.

#90 17 days ago

One of the Oktoberfest features I like is the curved banks of mini targets. You can aim for individual targets in the "OKTOBER" bank, use the curve to splatter several target hits and also how it operates like a curved lane to affect the path of the ball. Has this feature (curved bank of mini targets) been done before in another pin?

-1
#91 17 days ago
Quoted from trilogybeer:

Not so sure about that , Wonka could be a better game at some point , but the Wonkas that I played at MGC were not .I did play more games on Wonka than Oktoberfest but I enjoyed Oktoberfest much more and would like to own one . Wonka I will play it again in like 6 months and see If it’s better , I know it will be but what I will really be looking for is something to capture my interest . Wonka is easier to shoot for sure (but easy doesn’t really do it for me ) I could combo the ramps on Wonka all day long but what’s the point ?give me a reason to shoot something and make it interesting this is what Oktoberfest does so much better than Wonka . I’m sure Wonka will be a better more interesting game 6 months or a year from now than it is now .But will it be better than Oktoberfest? Time will tell and maybe I will change my mind but at this point Oktoberfest is the clear winner between the two for me .

I am glad some people like Oktoberfest and I hope there are enough sales to keep AP afloat.

For me, I find the layout very fun and different. Unfortunately the fun ends there. The upper ramp shot is really bad (not sure if just flipper issue, but appears to be the geometry combined with flipper strength). The code is really drawn out (so much talking and so little shooting) and too PC for the theme.

I actually think they have a basis for a good game, but the polish is not going to bring it together. Maybe that is my disappointment as I had high hopes for this one but I knew it was over once the monkey grabbing a butt got scrubbed.

#92 17 days ago
Quoted from konjurer:

One of the Oktoberfest features I like is the curved banks of mini targets. You can aim for individual targets in the "OKTOBER" bank, use the curve to splatter several target hits and also how it operates like a curved lane to affect the path of the ball. Has this feature (curved bank of mini targets) been done before in another pin?

it was supposed to be on ghostbusters but was replaced by center target and captive ball

mjr

#93 17 days ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

did you mention the very steep near impossible left ramp on as a feature on Oktoberfest.
I think I can say, without playing - that Wonka will be smoother and a better shooter

I have about 30 plays on Oktoberfest and I thoroughly enjoy it. The left ramp is easy; the right ramp is challenging but not more than it should be. Being challenging keeps me coming back. I love the them and art. The music was not a problem at all; I expected it to be annoying after watching streams. The animation will not attract anyone to this game, but I think they were going for what they got. Finally, there are so many unique aspects to this game that it may get me to pull the trigger on it.

#94 17 days ago
Quoted from f3honda4me:

ACNC was working great today. It was cool. Not my cup of tea but some of the shots were very smooth. Others were a bit off. Upper PF was neat and loved the ball lock.

I initially liked Oktoberfest better than ACNC, but after playing each between 20-30 times I decided that the animation and music was so much better in ACNC that I think I'd rank it a little higher now. In any event, the takeaway for me was that I cannot judge a game based off a stream; I have to play it. I was thoroughly disappointed with Oktoberfest after watching, but love it after playing.

#95 17 days ago
Quoted from mthirkell:

I initially liked Oktoberfest better than ACNC, but after playing each between 20-30 times I decided that the animation and music was so much better in ACNC that I think I'd rank it a little higher now. In any event, the takeaway for me was that I cannot judge a game based off a stream; I have to play it. I was thoroughly disappointed with Oktoberfest after watching, but love it after playing.

Oh yes that happens, looks totally different on stream vs playing it!

#96 17 days ago

I played both at Allentown. Both good games, in different ways. Oktoberfest playfield is terrific, with some cool toys and ramps. Playfield art kinda sucks and animations are disappointing. Shots seem fine. I only played one game. I like the theme and the overall vibe. A nice “world under glass” In this game. The art/animation would not dissuade me from buying, but I’m confident better art would result in higher sales #s.

Wonka playfield should have more toys for all the hype, but the layout is solid, and I think if the movie assets are used correctly, the theme could be awesome. Wonka is a nice looking game, but the art is pretty tame. I played the standard, and the cabinet Art was much better than we saw in reveal pics. Did JJP change it?

These two games, combined with Munsters Premium, really demonstrate the nice variety in the hobby right now. Both visually and in terms of design. I’m still waiting for someone to hit the grand slam though. These games are solid doubles. Will Deeproot deliver?

For god’s sake will a major player please make the Matrix, and do it right?

Promoted items from the Pinside Marketplace
$ 38.00
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
The MOD Couple
From: $ 7,500.00
$ 7,500.00
Pinball Machine
Nitro Pinball Shop
$ 7,399.00
Pinball Machine
Pinball Pro
$ 18.00
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
The MOD Couple
$ 23.25
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
The MOD Couple
$ 12,500.00
$ 7,500.00
Pinball Machine
Great American Pinball
$ 86.00
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
The MOD Couple
From: $ 7,500.00
Pinball Machine
Operation Pinball
$ 24.00
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
The MOD Couple
$ 85.00
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
The MOD Couple
From: $ 19.95
$ 39.00
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
The MOD Couple
$ 7,500.00
$ 7,395.00
Pinball Machine
Classic Game Rooms
From: $ 19.95
7,500 (Firm)
Machine - For Sale
St. Clair Shores, MI
7,395
Machine - For Sale
St. Clair Shores, MI
Wanted
Machine - Wanted
Massillon, OH
$ 7,395.00
Pinball Machine
Great American Pinball
Great pinball charity
Pinball Edu
There are 96 posts in this topic. You are on page 2 of 2.

Hey there! Got a moment?

Great to see you're enjoying Pinside! Did you know Pinside is able to run thanks to donations from our visitors? Please donate to Pinside, support the site and get anext to your username to show for it! Donate to Pinside