OMG Dredd would be the perfect game for this!

I literally only want two things for my Dredd:

- New ROM Code that integrates the Dead World Locking mod of L-1 with the bug fixes/ball shooter logic of L-7. The current L1-AT ROM solution is too much of a compromise as it locks the game to Free Play only

- A complete Pinsound orchestration including new voices and SFX! I've done a few Pinsound mixes of Dredd myself (and have uploaded them to the Pinsound community website) but I've never seen one that includes new voices and special effects.

And, if I lived in a perfect world (super duper bonus wish)
- for the SuperGame mode to be completely re-coded to allow for a whole new game play experience, and maybe not so multi ball heavy.

Anyone want to make my day! haha

OMG Dredd would be the perfect game for this!

I literally only want two things for my Dredd:

- New ROM Code that integrates the Dead World Locking mod of L-1 with the bug fixes/ball shooter logic of L-7. The current L1-AT ROM solution is too much of a compromise as it locks the game to Free Play only

- A complete Pinsound orchestration including new voices and SFX! I've done a few Pinsound mixes of Dredd myself (and have uploaded them to the Pinsound community website) but I've never seen one that includes new voices and special effects.

And, if I lived in a perfect world (super duper bonus wish)
- for the SuperGame mode to be completely re-coded to allow for a whole new game play experience, and maybe not so multi ball heavy.

Anyone want to make my day! haha

I bet it has to do with this change:

The lamp matrix procedure is upgraded to better prevent "ghosting" when LED lamps are used.

PinballMikeD mentioned in another thread that his mod reads the lamp matrix, so if they lamp matrix signals now behave differently this could explain the video triggering issues. Is there not a new adjustment in the v5 ROM to disable the "upgraded" LED lamp code?

Appreciate the option but i suspect you will find many of us are happy to pay extra to tip the programmer a bit ( support the artist you might say).

No Fear “Pay back time” score exploit fix. That would be great!

....Loop and Jump Champion. Add more detail to Video Mode. Ball save timers are wildly inconsistent.

Yes, No fear is way too easy.
It needs some new balancing of points.(I guess i need to play some more games to be able to be more specific about that..)
Thumbs up for Loop und Jump Champion.

One thing i would highly appreciate would be a ball save on TAF Gold Version, especially in multiball

This would support a better "luck/still balance"

Thanks Soren for your great work on this !!
Regards from Germany

BoP big wheel awards for tournament play. It would be nice to shut the 1B off and make it a 10M score each time you make two balls up to the 4th face.

There's other glitchy stuff in that game but it's mostly to do with attract mode stuff or music cutting out when a ball is locked when you drain your last ball.

i think Indiana Jones needs a bug fix.

https://www.micsaund.com/games/IJ/IJ_Software/ij_software.php

I don't think that will really work since TAF has no auto-launch mechanism. "Saved" balls would back up into the shooter lane.

This works in Episode 1 like a charm

But that has an auto-launcher, correct?

Can you give us any clues on what the next games you will be working on ?

no, only RFM has that

I understand, but a normal ball save(after ball in game start) would be nice to have...
take me as a beta tester

I beg to differ.

WCS, BK2000 - not ball-savers, but continuous multiball. But same principle.
- If ball in trough, and no ball in shooter, eject. Otherwsie, do nothing. Check repeatedly.

Wowza very cool news...

+1 on IJ update.

I agree with both of these. I have held off on the Dead World Locking because of the L-7 bug fixes. Also, I don't like playing the SuperGame mode because it seems excessive and I would rather earn my multi-balls. I only do it once in a while to keep the game working (I had an issue once that was related to never playing a supergame (according to a pinside thread I can't seem to find now), locking up the game. It was resolved after I played a SuperGame, so I do that every now and again. If that is true and a bug, fixing that would work for me

you can change the % for the 1B 99 makes it happen all the time.

It doesn't. Even if I change it to 1% the 1B happens. Can't have that uncertainty in a tournament. I have a couple different ROM versions and it's the same on all of them.

Just make it like CFTBL. Ball save for single ball but no ball save for MB.

I will ask this out of ignorance of how the code itself works, but a possible angle on what some would call a ball save/autosave/etc....

I know on Addams (assuming would also apply to Gold?) , there is what I refer to as an "autosave" where you get the ball back in the shooter lane, however it only works if it is a super fast drain, does not touch a single target/switch, and I want to say also player not hitting the flipper buttons. Not sure if that's a feature or a glitch, but could that possibly be tweaked to add a timer or something more useful?

That is “playfield validation”. Typically a table will not end the ball until three switches are hit. The thinking is there was probably an error and somehow the ball didn’t get played. Modern games often have specific switches that validate the playfield automatically no matter how many switches have been hit.

Cayle George is legendary for figuring out playfield validation exploits.

Egh, i don't see it as an infinite ball save - for example, WCS (I don't know TOTAN, heh!), you don't start it until balls are locked, so when the mode starts, you start with three balls. Same with BK2K, where the game 'captures' one ball, and then when you shoot the second ball into play, it releases the first ball. Any balls than then drain are serves back until you are down to one ball.

Yes - this allows for 'cheating' - one ball on the field while one is in the shooter lane. But on WCS, I don't think it's timed. (BK2K is, as far as I remember.)

It's been a (longish) while since I played these games, I could be mis-remembering - but I see it as a technical ball-saver-without-auto-launcher.

NO FEAR... the skull jackpot is 200,000 Then the Skydive jackpot is 200,000... the Super Jackpot at the jump is the same! SuperJackpot should have a bigger value ?

Hi Soren
Thank you for all the great works
Hope prolonged ball save during all the TZ multi-balls are in your project list.

Thanks soren for the CFTBL CPU ROM update which I received today (Nov. 24). I just updated my game and the upgrade went off without a hitch. After replacing the CFTBL CPU ROM chip it took 5 minutes or so to go through all of the settings and adjustments to set everything back to my liking.

High scores were wiped out as expected, but they are easy enough to re-establish and it also gives new players something to shoot for since the default high scores are pretty easy to beat. I played a handful of test games and established 2 new high scores and the new CPU ROM seems to function perfectly.

The CPU ROM update was purchased from Matt's Basement Arcade and was professionally labelled and shipped out very quickly after being ordered late on the evening of Nov. 19.

Gord

"ball saves" existed without auto launch in many games. Maverick is but one example. Also the "home" Whitewater ROM does it just fine. Code simply doesn't launch a ball to the shooter lane if there is one already there.... also back when pinball mostly had Physical locks, instead of an overload of mostly lacklustre imaginary ones... Many games have no auto launch, and a ball save feature.

Many of my fave games don't use "virtual locks" ... they just seem "cheap" somehow to me.

Just got mine from Matt's Basement Arcade today as well - ordered in the evening Nov 19th. Will put it in over the holiday weekend.

Mainly this for me ... My older games all have out dated code and no usefull recent updates available purely due to no coin-op option

The "home updates" are completely pointless for my application, as my games all go on coinop rotation. They're still comercial machines, and great piles of games are Not "home use" machines.

People whom do not own pinball machines (site players) shouldn't have to miss out on these Awesome code updates!

I would love to see an updated Judge Dredd rom. The Deadworld mod is just too cool not to have installed, especially with the excellent crane mod by @davi, but the L1AT rom certainly needs help. Here's hoping it is on @soren's list!

Does that mean we will get any updates and bug-fixes for coin-op, though ?

Another vote for Judge Dredd and getting the Dead World locking from L1-AT merged with the bug fixes and ball logic of L7. Thanks for all your work!!

I vote for NGG 18 holes fix, if it is possible!

Thanks a lot Soren for your outstanding work and devotion.

Cheers,

Chris

Good to see that there are more people who like the ball save idea for older games. If you touch these games you may remember this conversation and consider to implement it with a adjustment option to switch it on/off

anyway, great to see that the codes get a refreshment

If it wasn't for the "No"... the rest of the sentence seemed to mean yes.

Anyway If coin op isn't available for updates it's a great shame, because half the pinball players, including me, will still miss out. ...

You missed the whole point of the discussion. It wasn't that you can't have ball saves without an auto-plunger. It's that you can't have MULTI-BALL autosave without an auto-plunger.

At worst, the saved balls will back up into the shooter lane. At best, a player could exploit that by intentionally allowing the balls to drain and then plunge single balls - playing multi ball modes with essentially one ball in play at a time.

Maybe you could come up with some weird rule that if there is a "saved" ball in the shooter lane then no other switches will score points or something (and try to explain that to a newbie player somehow), but there are probably ways to exploit that in some way too.

Obviously, in single ball play, there can be ball saves without an auto-plunger. Almost every SS machine made would essentially "ball save" if you scored zero points on a ball. Multi-ball is a different situation.

And if you notice, with your example of Whitewater, the ball save from the home ROM does not work in multi-ball. As soren said, the standard was to do a multi-ball "restart" mode - which is what Whitewater does.

TOTAN does this well when battling the Genie.

Is Williams Cyclone going to be updated?

I haven't played TOTAN in a long time. How does it handle ball saves in multi-ball?

C'mon now, don't harass the man. You raised a good point about support for location play, but he's now addressed it. "There is no plan to release anything with Free play only restriction" plainly means that the new roms are all intended to be coin-op friendly. Why not move on to discussing games you'd like to see updates for and what fixes/tweaks would be most appreciated?