Quoted from Yesh23:

Arcade1Up Tron for sale with riser in Indian Land, SC for $400 firm. The machine looks brand new. Would look great next to a Tron pin
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Quoted from MountZion:

Aurich was awesome and sent me the code.bin file, however it unfortunately did not seem to make a difference. Right away upon starting a game, my ramp lights turn red and green, which I don't think is normal. Something seems to be up with the pinbits / eli ramp kit in my tron.
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Maybe it's a wiring issue? I wonder if someone has a moment if they could take a look at my pictures and their machine. Is there anything that stands out to you guys? Like blatantly wrong?
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Quoted from Flash71:

Man I wish you were closer. I’ve been looking for one. Any chance you want to break it down and ship it ?

Quoted from Pinkitten:

He’s right about the 1 Up looking good next to a Tron pin. I have a 1 Up and I’m happy with it. Has Tron and Deadly Discs.
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Quoted from Ashram56:

It's a shame that no technical information is available on Eli mod, because from these pictures alone, I'm having a hard time understanding the wiring.
In theory, I would have thought that just like the original (ie LE) ramps, this would use RGB driven emitters, so three signals, ground, power, and potentially strobe, so total 6 signals. The connector on the led emitter is using 7 signals, and I can't figure out why. Unless it's used to control the light cycles (there's a connector on the right stating "cycle"), no way to be sure unless someone knowledgeable does a little bit of reverse engineering on this module itself.
Which means those kits are going to be hard to repair. It would have been possible to rebuild the electronic board, but without at least schematics that's damn difficult. Likewise, if the control board fails, you're toasted, and can't use the existing emitters.
Sidenote: what's the last picture ? I can't see any relation to the mod itself

Quoted from squirtbrnr:

The Eli ramp lights do have an RGB LED emitter underneath the playfield just like the LE has. However, TRON Pro does not have either the hardware or the programming in place to drive the RGB LED emitters. So Eli had to create an interface board that monitors switches and lamps and flashers to identify what mode the game is in to then display the proper color. If the pro model had everything in place from the LE, then all you would have to do is buy the emitters and hook them up. And no you can’t just put the LE code on the pro to enable it, there’s something physically different the code recognizes and the game doesn’t even boot.

Quoted from Ashram56:

It's a shame that no technical information is available on Eli mod, because from these pictures alone, I'm having a hard time understanding the wiring.
In theory, I would have thought that just like the original (ie LE) ramps, this would use RGB driven emitters, so three signals, ground, power, and potentially strobe, so total 6 signals. The connector on the led emitter is using 7 signals, and I can't figure out why. Unless it's used to control the light cycles (there's a connector on the right stating "cycle"), no way to be sure unless someone knowledgeable does a little bit of reverse engineering on this module itself.
Which means those kits are going to be hard to repair. It would have been possible to rebuild the electronic board, but without at least schematics that's damn difficult. Likewise, if the control board fails, you're toasted, and can't use the existing emitters.
Sidenote: what's the last picture ? I can't see any relation to the mod itself

Quoted from Ashram56:

I'm fully aware of that. I'm actually recreating that bus analyzer to perform the same task. By the way, Eli mod does not monitor switches, he monitors inserts only, and based on this infers switch status - insert transitions between on/off/blinking, as switches are monitored directly by the CPU board on the lower left connectors, to which Eli mod does not connect. TimeBandit did have additionnal electronic to monitor switches
What I'm saying, is that based on the wiring, I can't really figure out the signaling used. I was asked in another thread if the control unit I'm building will be able to drive Eli emitters, and I can't answer that because the signaling and color scheme of the cabling is not standardized, and these control units have 7 wires, which is frankly two more wires than what I would use myself (I'm also looking at recreating these fiber emitters). So they can't be repaired without having access to the schematics, and I think it's a shame.
On another note, specifically for the fiber control unit: the HW units in a Pro (both CPU and powerboard) do have the electronics to control these emitters. It's there, at least on my Pro, transistors are present (the emitters are connected to the Aux connector). But there's no signal sent (I checked with my oscilloscope...), it's purely a SW lock.
Fun fact: on Star Trek Premium, the code does have support for the Star Trek LE features (the side phasers), it's just missing the LED boards... (and a 20 euros control box). You can actually go through the test menu and activate these "phaser" lights, it's just that they are not present physically.

Quoted from Ashram56:

I'm fully aware of that. I'm actually recreating that bus analyzer to perform the same task. By the way, Eli mod does not monitor switches, he monitors inserts only, and based on this infers switch status - insert transitions between on/off/blinking, as switches are monitored directly by the CPU board on the lower left connectors, to which Eli mod does not connect. TimeBandit did have additionnal electronic to monitor switches
What I'm saying, is that based on the wiring, I can't really figure out the signaling used. I was asked in another thread if the control unit I'm building will be able to drive Eli emitters, and I can't answer that because the signaling and color scheme of the cabling is not standardized, and these control units have 7 wires, which is frankly two more wires than what I would use myself (I'm also looking at recreating these fiber emitters). So they can't be repaired without having access to the schematics, and I think it's a shame.
On another note, specifically for the fiber control unit: the HW units in a Pro (both CPU and powerboard) do have the electronics to control these emitters. It's there, at least on my Pro, transistors are present (the emitters are connected to the Aux connector). But there's no signal sent (I checked with my oscilloscope...), it's purely a SW lock.
Fun fact: on Star Trek Premium, the code does have support for the Star Trek LE features (the side phasers), it's just missing the LED boards... (and a 20 euros control box). You can actually go through the test menu and activate these "phaser" lights, it's just that they are not present physically.

Quoted from MountZion:

So I took the pinbits boards off of the cabinet the tubes go in. Everything seems ok....?
Then I decided to swap the left and right board. When turning on the machine (before the swap) my left ramp would be lit up in green and the right one in red.
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With the boards swapped, it's now red and green.
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My brain is dumb.... Does that mean anything? Is seems as if R G B on both boards works just fine. (Although different hues of the same color)
Attached pics of both boards' wiring. Does this appear correct?
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Anyway - thank you for all the help. Even if I don't get this sorted out - you guys are amazing.

Quoted from luvthatapex2:

Do you have the connectors on the correct orientation? Here is a video from above that shows the orientation.

Quoted from Ashram56:

I'm fully aware of that. I'm actually recreating that bus analyzer to perform the
What I'm saying, is that based on the wiring, I can't really figure out the signaling used. I was asked in another thread if the control unit I'm building will be able to drive Eli emitters, and I can't answer that because the signaling and color scheme of the cabling is not standardized, and these control units have 7 wires, which is frankly two more wires than what I would use myself (I'm also looking at recreating these fiber emitters). So they can't be repaired without having access to the schematics, and I think it's a shame.
On another note, specifically for the fiber control unit: the HW units in a Pro (both CPU and powerboard) do have the electronics to control these emitters. It's there, at least.

Quoted from ZEN:

What part of the kit do you need? I have an extra kit I believe if you need some details on a component if that helps.

Quoted from snakesnsparklers:

Are the 7 wires: RGB(left)+RGB(right)+ground? That would be my ASSumption.
The Pinbits website for the kit has been archived, but unfortunately the photos from Martin's smugmug account have not and the account is now closed: https://web.archive.org/web/20170610033702/http://www.pinbits.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13_65&products_id=566
Here is a thread with some videos that may help: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tron-pro-step-by-step-video-how-to-install-elis-ramp-mod

Quoted from luvthatapex2:

solenoids (flashers) are also sensed with elis board. we needed that to figure out some of the modes.

Quoted from ZEN:

What part of the kit do you need? I have an extra kit I believe if you need some details on a component if that helps.

Quoted from Pastor69:

About the star trek thing, damn! Sucks that they didnt leave it in for tron, wouldve been the super duper easy way then
EDIT:
Most of these kits have been in peoples machines for well over 7 years. I think most owners wouldnt mind buying an upgraded version that you will hopefully make sometime in the future. Perhaps making your version as serviceable as possible would definitely get everyones attention .

Quoted from RVApinballer:

I have a Tron pro goodie bag unopened and the stock arcade game for the scoop(not pictured) and the original light cycles from the second run(not pictured) if anyone is interested. Also a printed manual. Easy to ship. Make an offer. Thanks!
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Quoted from Dan1733:

Is there a new topper for this game?

Quoted from Meadows22:

So I just recently joined the club. I picked up a pretty much bone stock tron pro. I know the Eli lights are impossible to get and won't even attempt to see if there is one for sale, but is there any alternatives out there. I know there in the pinduino ones, im just curious is there anything else out there for rope leds for the two ramps.

Quoted from snakesnsparklers:

Not at the moment if you want color-changing fiber optic ramp lights.

Quoted from Meadows22:

I would be fine with static blue and orange ramps. Just not sure if anyone else has come out with anything.

Quoted from Meadows22:

So I just recently joined the club. I picked up a pretty much bone stock tron pro. I know the Eli lights are impossible to get and won't even attempt to see if there is one for sale, but is there any alternatives out there. I know there in the pinduino ones, im just curious is there anything else out there for rope leds for the two ramps.

Quoted from Meadows22:

So I just recently joined the club. I picked up a pretty much bone stock tron pro. I know the Eli lights are impossible to get and won't even attempt to see if there is one for sale, but is there any alternatives out there. I know there in the pinduino ones, im just curious is there anything else out there for rope leds for the two ramps.

Quoted from Meadows22:

I know there in the pinduino ones, im just curious is there anything else out there for rope leds for the two ramps.

Quoted from usul27:

I'm working on a new controller for light fibers. The light pipe hardware is working already. I'll start working on the LED controller soon. I haven't yet decided, if I'll use the DMD and the switch matrix as input, but probably the controller board will be able to use both.

Quoted from Ashram56:

There is an open source RPi Pico DMD decoder project in the work from a german group (and you probably know them, your alias seems familiar), so capture is already implemented (except for SAM if I recall), but the frame trigger mechanism however is not implemented to my knowledge

Quoted from Pin_Fandango:

I think the powers that be need to team up instead of having 4 different ramp mods, I am sure these can be worked as a team.

Quoted from usul27:

Yes, I know, that's my project
SAM capturing shouldn't be a big deal, I just need to look at the signals an create a new decoder for it. Just a few hours of work.

Quoted from dts:

It would be cool if there were options to choose from, but that would be a lot of code work.

Quoted from usul27:

Sure, just PM me. I have a lot ready that can be used directly, but a bit more hardware and a lot more software is needed.
I just want to make sure the software will be open source.

Quoted from Saltimbanco:

Pin_Fandango would absolutely be the guy to make this happen and coordinate this. He currently has Tron Pro and Tron LE (because, two Tron is better than one, right? ). He's also coming up with the mini arcade version 5.0 - very attention to details, rather a bit OCD, lol, which is much needed to create quality mods. We need this to happen. We all love Tron which is THE game to mod the heck out of!

Quoted from loneranger:

The pinduino lights are a pretty cool alternative.

Quoted from usul27:

Just a short info here on the ramp lights. I'm in contact with Ashram56 and we're working on a common solution. We both have already some stuff ready with completely different approaches. Therefore, there might be different ways to implement this. But I'm sure we can find a way to offer a common platform that can also be used for other mods.
It's important for both of us that the software will be open source and I hope we'll see other users improving it and implementing new stuff once it is ready. It will still take some time, but I'm confident, there will be a good solution.
I can also have a look at the existing Eli hardware. In worst case, the hardware except the light fibers would have to be replaced. However, there might be a chance that at least the light driver boards could be re-used. To look into this, I woud need a set here to understand the hardware. I somebody wants to help and send a kit, just drop me a PM.

Quoted from Pin_Fandango:

The LED used on the ELI mod is now obsolete and cannot be sourced. I have contacted the people at pinbits who have confirmed this. The LED is no longer for sale and therefore the design has to be adapted to a new LED, which could result on a different set of workarounds.

Quoted from animesuperj:

I was looking to pickup an LCD OCD board for my Tron Pro, which currently has the total light show ramp kit installed. Looking at how to install the OCD board, it uses the same connections from the TLS kit. Does anyone know if there'd be issues with these two kits together?

Quoted from punkin:

Have you got your own thread to sell those?