pic is posted on the This Flippin Podcast FB page that Tsskinne and I do.

We were asked to remove the picture from our Facebook page and out of respect to Pinball and not wanting the license to be jeopardized we pulled the picture

The message was voice recorded, not sure why it capitalized Pinball.

I've been asked to not post stuff before, and obliged the request, by Spooky and JJP If there is a conspiracy it's all of them against us, not just Stern.

It may not be the final artwork but doesn't mean it's not art made for the game.

Not to be a stalker but I looked at your collection and you currently don't have any games. What would this game have that others before it haven't? Is it solely on theme? Just curious.

Very cool. It's nice to see people getting excited enough about new games to dive in.

Jack is in VA for the Pinball Done Quick event

I do.

How about we play the game before calling it a "home run?" I've heard it's a cool looking game but there is a lot more to a game than looks. That said I do hope it's as badass as it's being pumped up to be.

I hope it is a grand slam. What would that be? Great art, layout, toys and code?

February

Feel the exact same way.

I consider myself a very pragmatic person in this hobby and the first thing I did when I saw the pics that are floating around was try to figure out which game I could unload to fund a GB.

it will make sense... yes, I'm being one of those guys. My apologies.

Of course they tried to take it back. If a concussion is not a health update I'm worried about you.

Tom Skinner and I will be recording our podcast, This Flippin Podcast, tonight. We will be focusing on The Pinball Podcast's reaction to the GB leak and what North Face's next jacket may look like. Also delve into Kaneda's reaction to Pinside's reaction to his reaction on various issues.

Sorry for spamming the GB thread, seems the trend.

I take a lot of iron before listening. Gives me some good sit down time.

So you've only spent 15 hrs of your life posting on Pinside? I think you need a little reality check there.

Kind of like the monopoly left ramp. In multiball will be interesting as you may be shooting into the path of a ball coming from the other side of the ramp.

It's not really a diverter but a one way gate that prevents the ball from traveling back down the left entrance. You could remove it but most ramps are designed to punish the shooter when not made so a ball tracking back down that entrance could have a less than friendly return.

It doesn't make it unplayable but the magnets in TAF are also predictable.

The magnet slings are what I am most interested in seeing as it is unlike anything we have seen before in pinball, being that close to the flippers could make for some really wild ball motion. While there is randomness to pinball there is also an element of control, wether perceived or real, that helps make a game enjoyable. After playing some epic games of WOZ only to lose a ball or 2 from the witch magnets I sometimes have to just walk away smh.

It really sounds like the slings could be an incredibly special feature, but it could also be one of the most frustrating features implemented in a pinball machine if it causes cheap drain after drain. Magnet slings with Trudeau gapped flippers could make for some really brutal games.
That said, there is a lot of amazing stuff packed into the frame of a regular body pin.

I got that sense as well. I think the code to make the slings work like they want is going to take some time so not sure he knows all they will do when done.

I have similar concerns about the interaction with the magna slings. Watching this weekend's PAPA action on LAH and the crazy magnet action on that game has me really interested to see how these work in a Multiball situation. Too bad they couldn't use traditional slings and the magnets, the effects the magnets could have if they work as planned sound very cool.

Trudeau talked about the different ways the magnets would interact with the ball including playing catch which would indicate to me that the ball would "trap" on the magnet similarly to the way the sanctum interacts with the ball.

are the flippers on GB suppose to be in line with the inlane guides? The one on location near me has them more in the I500 position. Makes trapping hard as f*&*C

I'm talking specifically of the angle of the flipper. They were pointed downward like the position in Indy500. The picture posted elsewhere in this thread they look like they are pointed more in line with the ball guide that feeds the flipper.

Yep, that's what they look like. I don't mind the lower position, just wasn't sure that's how they were all shipping. Definitely makes the game an on the fly game which I really did like.

I've put over 30 games on a pro between local location and Pinfest and the game is very fun. The more I play the less out of control it felt when I first played the game. Once complaint is the Scoleri drops caused bricked airballs to fly over the flippers, not sure what is up with that but other than that I thought the game was phenomenal. Sound at the show was turned up and it sounded great, love the light show for Storage Faciltiy MB. They really knocked this one out of the park.

Finally got Mass Hysteria today. Game is the real deal and the code this soon after release is excellent.
Going to pick one up but can't go premium just yet.

Played a friends pro yesterday and can't say enough about how well Stern has done with this game. Game is solid all around. Still some bugginess with the new code and his Slimer mech needs fine tuning but it is an the game is going to be the biggest game we have seen in a long time.

The feeling I get from this table is the same as I had playing TAF back in the early 90s. There was something that just sucks you in to the gameplay and from there hooks you with simple visual gimmicks to keep you coming back. TAF it was things hand, GB is Slimer. Light show on both games is fantastic as well and while GB doesn't have the dynamic MB start of the POWER, it is still an impressive light show that gets the fingers twitching.

While the shots are tight after having about 40 games under my belt they are starting to get dialed in. The right ramp is tight and intimidating but build up a big PKE jackpot and collect it you'll want to kiss Trudeau on the head for all the tough love this game dishes out.

Callouts and music are great and varied. Was laughing to some of the movie quotes and the music during one of the modes has a great synthesizer vibe that takes you back to 80s, simply spot on.

Art is obviously outstanding and the game feels solid. Code still needs some work to work out bugs and enrich an already solid core code. Mass Hysteria is about as deep as I've gotten in the game and it would be nice to have the game really announce the mode. I'd personally like to see the game shut down similarly to TZ going into LITZ so as to really build up the mode. I've read complaints about the flipper reverse, but don't feel that myself. It's chaotic and mind ending when you keep reversing and reversing buy it seems fitting for a mode named Mass Hysteria, it is a blast.

Stoked for everyone getting one and can't wait to play a premium/LE soon. I will be adding a GB To my collection event though a game or two will have to leave. I'm really interested to see how the Premium holds up to the pro as I just don't think there is much to improve upon. Instant classic.

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Not a VM, just a mode.

I think my idea of VM is different than yours. Most DMD games have animations and awards that correspond to shots being made. I consider a VM a mode in which the player stops playing pinball and just does stupid crap on the DMD. VM is the only weak part of GB IMO.

Go pro and don't look back.

What happens if the ball jumps the flipper? Can it drain out those two cutouts by the center of the apron?

Agree on that right ramp. Frustrating at first but once you get a feel for it it becomes super satisfying.

ColorDMD and I'll be good. Game is pretty solid out of the box.

I ordered a pro. Don't mind the right ramp and the Magnaslings looked meh.

I had a similar first impression when I first played it but after getting some decent time on it the game didn't play as unfair as it first seemed.

Anyone get the protectors from Stern that Lasserific did? If so could job post a pic? Thanks

Is there a Cliffg for the storage facility saucer?

The higher you hit on the ramp the more ghost you collect so it does work like how you describe. Personally I don't think the flow is killed that much and the game should give you a moment to catch your breath from time to time.

The Prem/LE ramp entrance is just as tight as the pro so if people dislike how hard the shot is its not going to be improved over the Pro.

Oh no!! I bought a pro for my home. I'll make sure to check with this group next time I'm spending my money.

I've put 50+ games on a pro and know exactly what the fuck it is, fun.

Mr Pinball just teaching all us newbs a thing or two about how this hobby works.

GB pro won best in show at the NWPS. Idiots.

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Not sure why people prefer the return to the left flipper so much, more shots are set up for the right and a rolling pass from the right to left is pretty easy with the way the flipper angle is set.

Should make it go nuts during Mass Hysteria

Southern Fried Game Room Expo..

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I was wrong about this, it is a backglass.

It's not a backglass, it's a translite.

Crappy unboxing video. If you want cinematography go to a movie.

From what I could tell? Yes. Does it look great? Yes.

I stand corrected. We just took it out and it is a backglass. Sorry about that, when we looked at it yesterday it looked like it was a translite.

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It is

I've seen it on another GB. Was much worse than your pic.

I've played a lot of GB at this point. Played pros on location, in a private collection and at 2 shows including an LE. I've probably put 100 games on them and have no issue with the flipper gap and don't understand the complaining. Is it wider? Yes, but that said the game is not as out of control as people make it seem. There is a way to approach the game early that will set the player up for consistently deep runs. Before people start bastardizing the game with wider flippers I'd suggest really spending time on the game and really consider where the ball feeds and approach it strategically.

Here's a pic from the LE that was at SFGE. This was opened on Thursday. I'm in on a pro but don't love seeing and hearing about the current playfield issues.

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I'm not going to put people on blast for finding the game frustrating, it takes time to figure out the shots and if dropping dollars to do it I'd be similarly frustrated. It reminds me of my reaction to when I first played TWD and how the exit from the pops just killed the experience. Instead of dropping coin I just decided to move on down the line.

ghosting is tricky as it can happen after 2 days or 10 months. The playfield may be leaving the factory looking fine so QC on Sterns end may be fine but not in the manufacturing of the playfield. This playfield seemed fine out of the box.

I have a pro on order and contemplated upgrading to a premium while at SFGE. Being able to play them back to back was really interesting and made
comparisons much easier.

I think the value is there between the pro and premium as far as what you are getting on the playfield as the premium playfield is packed and makes the pro defiently look like the pro version. I do not think the Premium has much more value playwise over the pro though.

The Magnaslings are cool but it's gimmicky and could get old quick.

The right ramp is nice as it breaks up the lower playfield with the crossing wire form, it may be easier to hit as the opening may be more angled while having the same opening size of that makes smear.

Main ramp is really cool but we had issues with the ball launching over it. Some foam was put under the spring steel to deaden the springiness and that seemed to fix it. The ball would frequently get caught up under the playfield and would have to get kicked out into play from the scoop. That was annoying as hell. I heard the Premium at RMPS was fine.

Slimer moved more and did seem to register hits more frequently. On his decent into the playfield area he would bump into the pop area sculpt which seemed clunky.

Ecto glasses were meh. The image was small and really unnoticeable while playing. It's a neat gimmick when you walk up to the game and see the image in there but that's about it other than just filling up the game. I could see modders making something that could look just as cool. It does interact with the ball and ghost explode but you don't see it when focused on the ball.

Art package on the LE was stunning and the backglass is vibrant.

Play wise I think the pro is faster without the clunkiness of some of the upgraded components. The premium/LE is packed though so value is there for what they put on it, I just don't see that value carry over into the game play.

I'd be happy to own either.

Have you played a premium or LE?

You are arguing against my opinion. I respect you have a different one, but it's different than mine.

I agree the code could make the slings more dynamic, I'm just talking about what I experienced while actually playing that game as it sat.

I talked to someone that was at RMPS and they said the game didn't have the issues I described but once again I can only reference my actual experience playing a game on a the LE that was at SFGE.

Agreed. Like I said, while playing I hardly ever noticed it.

And just to reiterate a point that may have been lost, I'd be happy with either pin. The Premium features on the LE playfield certainly seem worth the upgrade cost from a pro. I am selling a couple games to get the pro and not sure the additional $1500 is worth it to me. I met several LE/premium buyers at SFGE and am stoked about how stunning of a game they are getting.

That's what is killing me on what to get. As it stands I don't think the value is there in gameplay but code could change that.

Pretty much.

It doesn't do much.

Was putting up a GC score at SFGE and the LE locked on and did a full reboot.

440k+ when the lights locked on and it rebooted. My best on a pro is a billion plus but on a newly cracked GB I was stoked with anything over 200k.

Carrot flippers are a joke, right?

I know they are real, just can't believe people are putting these on the game. SMH

What's failing on it?

who says the ball times on GB are short? It's a tough game but like IM experience will make the game more playable.

Its tough to play safely while advancing through the game. Strategy starts at the plunge and if you miss the hurry up or captive ball shots while in ball save you have some tricky shots to get set up to play a mode or MB.

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So can you just hit ghost, drop Slimer, hit him once and make the green shot to start?

How did this become a Hobbit thread?

Looks like a support to stop that ball guide from being bent.

You guys need to get a room.

First world problems envy your problems, sheesh.

Well that's true, but still.

Magnaslings looked 100% better than the one I played at SFGE.

Thanks for posting the video.

In fairness to the boohooers, I was certainly one, the video that Stern created and the subsequent Deadflip stream were really unimpressive. When I played a LE the slings were really unimpressive. What was shown on the video was by far the best action from the slings I've seen. I hope in game they work as well as they did when a hand is throwing the ball directly into the rubber.

Or just don't buy the game and get one with a design you like. Theme and art package of this game have people in such a froth that they seem to have forgotten that the game of pinball is about a ball flying around a sheet of plywood.
Very interesting reaction people are having for a title that hasn't even hit homes in mass.

Fucking Christ man, simmer down. Have fun with your game.

First let me say that I don't give a fuck what someone does with their game, with that said I would do as Smokedogg suggest and play the game for a while before deciding it doesn't "play well" as Rarehero suggest. WTF he is so worked up about it is beyond me. My point is that people are getting so worked up over the flipper gap without really spending time on it. That is all.

It actually is, look under pricing adjustments in your service menu.

Introduced my girls to GB yesterday, no complaints.

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I think your description of what they could do is a reason you'll see more Pros than Premiums in tourneys.

Frame it with a flyer.

love Mass Hysteria. CHANGE NOHING.

No way a shaker motor is causing the playfield issues, let's just put that to rest.

The mechs on the playfiels are going to cause more issues than a shaker in the cabinet.

the LE I played at SFGE had ghosting after 2 days. Prior to ghosting the area of the inserts that subsequently ghosted looked darker than the rest of the insert. It is clearly an issue with adhesion of clear to the inserts. A metal ball hitting it is going to make it ghost and then the issue is going to most likely spread. Look at all the issues with CV and the Ringmaster tossing the ball around.

The pics of the clear cracking are indicative of an even more problematic issue of the inserts sinking. This has been seen on recent runs of repro playfields and is really worrisome but if you look at how CV playfields deteriorated you get an idea as to where this can lead. Ghosting is nothing new so hopefully they can resolve this issue soon or their collector/home market is going to revolt, I for one am thinking about holding off on a GB until they put out an official word on the issue.

Less violent than a steel ball?

I took pictures of the LE that arrived at SFGE before a game and going back and looking at the pics it appears that those areas of the inserts were darker. I'll try to find the pic and post it.

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this is the same game two days later. Ghosting is obvious on that insert and the one above. Shape of the ghosting seems similar to the dark area in the previous pic. Screen_Shot_2016-08-02_at_1.38.19_PM_(resized).png

I know the LE at SFGE had foam put under the ramp flaps on the main ramp to cut back on air balls.

What would they be testing?

I thought the spinner and upper rollovers built the hurry up that was collected at the right ramp. I could be 1000% wrong about that.

I'm waiting until Stern actually comes out and says they stand behind their product and will fix games that have playfield issues. As it stands they are more keen on promoting a sword swallower than their games.

Do they have other Stern's at the same location? Please post pics of other playfields in the same lineup of you can. Thanks

Someone posted some pics on FB of a new GBpro being unboxed. Looks like they changed the way they are doing can decals and are not wrapping the front corners. I've seen a couple examples where the decals have cracked at the corners. Nice to see this change.

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Someone posted an LE with cracking in the decal at the corner and a local pro on location has the same issue.

Not sure if it's a big issue or not but if not I wonder why they changed the process. I personally don't like the wrapped decals but would like a more finished edge.

Some people have them in stock