I have an LE on order. I've read concerns about the magnetic slings. I would hope Stern would have this sorted well before production run. Would it not be similar to the action found on a pin2000 swep1 found near the centre of the playfield?

We can take whatever you throw at us.

Just interested to know with all this magnetic sling concerns with playfield wear. How many games do you think these Shadow, LAH, AF or any other sited/container pins would have had in their life to cause such playfield wear etc? Now I don't think I have that much time left on this planet to rack up that many plays on 'my home use only'' to get close to worry about playfield wear caused by magnets.

If I need to be concerned, then maybe I better sell my sea side home before global warming washes it away. The bloody real estate agent should have warned me about this I guess.

Less scare mongering and more patience and lets see what gives.

Thank you, my same sentiments. Hope this puts to bed the concerns for at least until a few hundred games have been played an something shows up

I think I just lost a good chunk of my life reading the same pro's and con's all of which are pure speculation. Does anyone know if the pf for all three models have the same cut outs where the slings are. If they are, maybe if the mag slings are a total disaster, stern could do a LE fix in which the magnets can be replaced with standard sling kickers and coils. If so another scenario could be an option for prem/Le owners to switch off the mag option and install standard slings.

I know wrestle guys got a mod for the ring recently, so stern may be up to offering such a mod/recall to keep some people happy???

I thought buying a pinball was to have fun in your own home and not to make money. The safest investment guys with pinballs is play location games as much as you want and don't buy. How many have over the top home theatre systems. Simple equation would be total cost of system plus movie purchase divided by movies played and I bet your home movie ticket will be way more than what it would have cost you in the cinemas. But wait for it, your home ticket price is probably for watching a long gone movie like lotr.

I'm buying GB for the thrill of NIB unboxing (insert value here), the thrill of being the first to play it (insert value here), the buzz of having a pinball at home (yep that's worth something) and I can go on. Then add the price of games played had you paid on location.

You don't lose on a pinball purchase unless you buy to sell and do not factor in any personal gratification in owner a game.

Why put something like this in gameplay. Even easier and effective if it was during attract mode.

Great game you had there. Thanks for sharing

I'll put my money on backglass. How silly thinking this is the first translite LE from the scare mongers. If it is I'll mention my bad. Still haven't heard any responses from those bagging no decent long game play videos once the grand champion one came out to say things like nice modes, dots etc. They like to bag but then move on to the next complaint once the last has been covered.

Don't own a stern but isn't there under audits stats on drains like x amount down the left etc and then it would be a simple matter of balls played to see how of a drain monster the outlanes are. Also what a the average game time is.

Played a pro yesterday in the land of OZ. Was intrigued to see the dymo label seen on the game used at the shows and dead flip. Looks like it has made it all the way to Australia.

nothing a dremmel or heavy duty angle grinder can't fix lol

can you visually see the difference or just via a photo. I know some of my bg look great but photograph poorly

the more I read about the pro and I have played it, is this game seems to be more designed for the premium configuration. Too brutal re slings (maybe magna's is the solution), slimer dangerous (maybe wait until it moves to the right before hitting it ala premium), right ramp difficult and unrewarding (again premium maybe a solution) etc etc.

Maybe down grading/removing some premium functions may make the pro a little too brutal and frustrating???

Consider the frustrating points of the pro and look if there's any design differences to these in the premium. Would be interested to hear of a common complaint for the two. First to mind is the book stacking wire form

yep after seeing those two games I can see what everyone is disliking about the game. It looked like absolute boredom. I'm expecting dozens of LE's on the market mid June. For me, I'm keeping mine and will put up with the torture. Now back to reality, they were awesome games and would make all the dud games worth the trouble. Now lets see how many LE and premiums flood the market. Me thinks might be hearing crickets in all honesty?????

looking at this latest video I can see those that have surmised all these cons and design flaws are correct. This poor young guy looked distressed, and those short ball times.....wow. How many ball saves were there.....one, and lucky he at least got a consolation multiball otherwise I think he was going to end his life.

And the best comment to justify and not admit that this could be a good title is, "well you know this kid is a good player",......um so???

oh are we saying you "gotta play better" then???

What a load of crap I've been reading about modes and how poorly the game alerts a player on what to do as gb is the ONLY game like this. I'm not a stern fan and know little about their game rules. I played a comp on Wednesday and was being beaten 400M to about 10M on wrestlemania with only my last ball to play. I played just as long a ball time as my opponent, people were laughing seeing him scoring 100M for a shot. What shot was that? During my last ball he said start tag team and hit the top saucer. Bang 100M a pop, I lost by 50M.

And what new player or any player know you need to drop the targets to light up a mode on the walking dead. I completed dozens of ramp shots for nothing. Oh and what is the 'x' shot? After watching a tutorial a dozen times I accidently saw a lit inlane with an 'x'. I was using those thinking I might be getting bonus multipliers. Where is this mentioned on the game or on the dmd?

Only bagging gb people need to reply with such proof thanks

My beef is not whether gb is good or not its people trying to downgrade and instil doubt to those who have bought the game. Why I dunno?? The code is terrible because novice players don't know what to do. I hate TWD and ACDC and yet most rave about them. I know there's a good chance my impressions are incorrect because I do not know the rules. So gb is rubbish because it has poor code, no one knows what to do, airballs etc and TWD has been out for how long?, airballs off the ramps for how long, novice players who don't know the rules love it?? Lets keep things in perspective a little.

Final comment so true. I do not understand any late sterns except for maybe IM and MET. But remember gb code is pretty much the release code and not final I guess.

You just said its been happening for many titles now and you still ordered it so you could cancel???? Agree coding unacceptable but our options are......10 year wait for jjp stuff....even better put money down on predator or magic girl and watch someone piss it up the wall. I can wait for updates as long as I get the timber box I paid for.

Yes but the critique is damning like the game is a total flop, the designer is hopeless, and forget about the code guy, we're doomed. But the pre release of games are only coming off the line. Dunno what cars you guys have, but I'm sure Ford and the like have had recalls and series two is better than the initial release. I know your cars cost little compared to where I am but figure they could be more than $5k. As stated gb has ok coding upon release and yes flaws but its not a boat anchor yet.

Nope

About that, but think New Zealand will get first as boat stops there before Aust

Why not purchase a remote controlled power point. I have these on my pin2000's. Receiver plugs into power point, game plugs into it and remote to activate receiver.

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Can this guy really play pinball? Using him as an example of poor design by Stern is drawing a long bow. I think they need to rethink pinball then so guys like Mr Hawkins can play them from his chair. Items for use by the general public need only be designed for those in mind. Special mods would have to be borne by those with specific needs.

Might be worth you taking the trouble to rate and review the game so others can see when considering a purchase. I've done this for several games in the top 100 section

I don't get it why the guys who complain gb is too repetitive re: modes feel that way. They seem to keep repeating the same comments over and over and over on this thread, you'd think their demeanour would lend itself to this game.

There is the other Scoleri

What are LE owners doing with the cert of auth? Are you framing it or putting it in a safe place? Would like some ideas if possible. Thanks

Quick question. Where is the signature of designer found on the playfield. I'm guessing under the apron. Has anyone looked at theirs as I haven't seen a photo of it which is strange?

Hmmmm can't see one, does anyone have a photo of its location, thanks

Just found it down the bottom right in blue. Its like playing where's Wally!

Not a great picture but here it is. Maybe because we're on the other side of the world lol

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Yes easy, loosen grub screw at the top and raise slimer slightly.

Not 100% sure of what exactly you mean, but most of the flaws with the game should not effect its score for game rating. I think the quality score maybe the only coefficient that can effect its standing???

Ok thumbs up

My complaint on this game is "mass hysteria". A possible code update on this would be welcome by me. I have lost many a ball not knowing the mode has finished. Maybe lighting could show when the flippers are reversed or not. Otherwise love the game so far after 500 games

Thanks unaware of this thread

Because of reversed flippers I think cues are needed otherwise all you do is double flip all day. My main gripe is not realizing I'm down to one ball and the flippers are back to normal and I lose it just before stay puft.....damn

Just a personal experience thing but although I enjoyed the game even while being frustrating, I now love it and have long game times and big scores.

Before I put all my focus in completing the modes and trying to get to wcws mode. The pressure of trying to make the shots made me miss more times than not.

Now I go for the pke skill shot, in particular, playfield multipliers and just shoot the ball around. If a mode starts I just keep flipping as controlled as possible and if I make some or all the required shots to complete a mode, then well and good. I now get multiple storage multiballs and supers and hit 100 ghosts 2/5 games average. I have got to wcws a few times as well. I think its because the pressure is off which aids in the game flow and of course fun factor.

So maybe try and forget about the rules for a while and see how you progress and see if the brutality of the game settles.

My settings are factory except for outlane posts are in.

I'm not trying to be biased or trying to justify the LE purchase but think the magna slings are great. They seem to respond nicely on my game with standard exchanges between the slings and then throw in a random unexpected move. What I like is that they really make you feel uncomfortable having the ball out of your control as you cannot anticipate what may happen at all. My flipper responses to the ball hitting a sling is like trying to pick up a $100 bill from the road thats connected to fishing line and someone keeps jerking it away from me each time I get close. Really can frustrate you and put you off your game. I like that.

I hope you enjoyed this. Been hacking any sites lately or developing viruses? Goodluck if so

I noticed on the LE back glass there's Stern 30 years decal on it. Are people removing this or do you think it is best to leave it for the finicky next owner market?

RFM doesn't require you to successfully complete a mode but if you do, it rewards you with a saucer light that gets you closer to the end wizard mode 'attack mars'. So in effect, you could play all the modes over and over and never get to the wizard mode.

Maybe GB could have a really special mb wizard mode only if you make all shots in all the modes???

for those who wanted the game to play easier well you can expect scores like this, but my previous 5B seems more gratifying so I'm unsure whether to change settings to replicate the old rules more. By the way I've never experienced a 1 billion point skill shot before let alone doing it twice.

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I didn't let timers time out on purpose. I only completed 2 of 3 ladders, did not play library ladder. I did have midnight madness occur in this game.