Hard to believe a guy who loves hacking controllers so much didn't like Ghostbusters 2.

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The pic and supposed description of cab art are on reddit.com/r/pinball for anyone who thinks the game will be cancelled due to posting leaked art.

If we confirm the discussion isn't speculative anymore this thread will be removed as a courtesy to Stern.

I can't wait for the shitty sexy alternate translites to start appearing on Ebay. Maybe we can get one with the new female ghostbusters and one with Bill Murray being slimed.

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That's what it looks like to me. The whole right ramp on the pro seems really unique with all that going on. I don't know how shots into a one-way wire gate will feel, but we'll see. It's more interesting than a right ramp that just loops back around to the left inlane.

Ghostbusters topper is 100% kickass. I'll always take fancy lights over an action figure or something. KISS is my favorite topper I've seen in person I think.

Hmmm.

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I definitely see things I like. The ball sometimes rockets out of the pops instead of just losing momentum and being pooped out. There were a bunch of nice hand drawn DMD animations like the flying library books and captured ghosts rather than barely decipherable red movie clips. It looks like they're trying to make the skillshot worthwhile rather than just some low amount of points (+10% score, +super jackpot, etc.).

Maybe just me, but these are positive things on top of already very good looking package. I wish this were the "average game", I'm very excited to get my hands on one.

It's on their Facebook page on the "pre livestream" video right at the beginning.

It gets hit at 30:00 and 33:50 but they rattle and don't go all the way to the back. Not a lot of people shooting for it, it looks tight.

I love all the motion in the bash toy. Some people say "Everything you hit in pinball is a bash toy, you hit stuff with the ball!" but this is moving all over place, it really looks like it's getting hit good. And this is just the pro, the premium will move around the playfield too. I don't really like Stern's big action figure bash toys, so this looks like their best one ever to me.

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The looks awesome which means plenty of people will get to play it on location, which means plenty of people will be rating it 4.5 "Just another boring Stern" to cancel out the "I own this game so it's a perfect 10!" votes.

This thread is hardly full of complaints. Look at GOT, they had to make a separate "POSITIVE THOUGHTS ONLY" thread because of all the heat that game got.

You can't douse all enthusiasm for a game because we don't know what the code will look like in 2 years. What can we see right now?

1. Great art
2. Cool unique toys/playfield features and lots of them
3. Nothing about the layout that's looks so non-standard that I really need hands on the machine to understand how it feels (Starchild area, WWE ring, etc.). Magna slings is the biggest question mark.

Even without playing games, you can often look at recent Stern reveals and say they look great except the art, the pro is too stripped down, it's a cookie cutter layout, too symmetrical, it's light on toys, it's a crappy theme, the ball is going to spend too much time in that ring, etc. Maybe Ghostbusters can't prove itself as a great game yet, but in my eyes there's almost nothing to be pessimistic about either.

Slimer moving up and down and all around to different shots on the premium is like the magic flying dragon everyone wanted for GOT. There must've been a mixup.

This is anecdotal of course, but there's a nice easy Scared Stiff next to a TWD at a local bar and noobs still line up to watch 3 balls go STDM from the pop bumpers on TWD. Theme is a hell of a drug.

If they bring in Sauramon to do the callouts this would be perfect.

VUK, left orbit, ball falling off the throne, I love me some GOTLE but can see it being a pain on location. It seems like a game that needs an operator who gives a shit about a game playing very well and not one who keeps their games in "just working" condition.

They better be motorized, then slowly cross in the middle and when they do the lights go crazy

I've never got tired of a pinball machine for being too hard. I do look at some games and think "I don't have time/stamina to play this for 20 minutes" though.

The LE is my least favorite, but because I like the others more. It's not bad at all . Stern makes enough stuff that looks like crap to take your hate out on.

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You've got to change your way of thinking to figure out how the Pro Police are going to claim Ghostbusters Pro is categorically better than Ghostbusters Premium. The magna-slings will be a pro-power target for sure. The subway ramp is going to "ruin the flow". Maybe the Ecto Goggles block vision of the right orbit!

Some earlier info "confirmed" (I don't know who) that the ramp is like Whitewater, it doesn't get stopped by a VUK. Balls get diverted underneath for the lock (and I would guess pop back up out of the scoop). If the ramp went to a VUK every time that would be a bummer, it's something I don't like about Party Zone

If there was any powered launch up to the right inlane, I would suspect that more than a spring steel flap would be needed to prevent the ball from flying up too far. But I'm no pinball engineer. Momentum for the win!

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When my girlfriend moved in there was pinball in the garage, game room, hallway, and kitchen. Now there's no pinball in the kitchen so as long as I keep it that way she'll see it as an improvement no matter what I do. Gotta establish territorial dominance early.

Ohh, I never noticed the ramp was bigger on the LE. I can't stop switching between the pictures of the two now. Someone's going to complain that ruins the game for sure

Being able to get it right every time somehow seems like just as much no skill as random chance would be, unless it's something he has to figure out mentally (not sure how it would work). Oh well, it's a video mode, we'll see how it goes. It's not like anyone ever has high hopes for video mode.

Every pro > every LE. Death to toys, ramps and loops only!

I think Stern caught it

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I hope the Prem/LE ramp isn't too tough to hit. Weak flippers are the main problem ops don't really care to fix around me. LOTR ring shots are a bitch on a lot of locations for example.

You guys had me comparing the ramps and I just noticed the little reflector for the PKE inserts. That's a welcome addition from moving my head around on GOT LE trying to see behind all the nonsense.

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I'm totally fine with that.

I'd honestly be worried if every new Stern became a rainbow wonderland just to add RGB LEDs to the feature matrix. I love the look of TWD Pro in all white/red with splashes of yellow. I think GOT would've greatly benefited from a strong lighting theme like that.

What drama is there? I thought we were talking about how it may be on location if unmaintained, or just the different feel/difficulty of a very steep ramp? Maybe I prefer shallower ramps and play plenty of games on location like Hook and LOTR where I can't hit tough shots with bad flippers, GB still looks amazing.

In a frictionless environment, work is the same since the only force we're fighting is gravity. In the real world with friction, different distances travelled, and ramps of different materials... I think one of the top local players teaches physics maybe I can get him in here.

What the hell are you talking about.

Let's reel it in just a little until we play it. What makes a rule set is how everything fits together, not just how many rules there are. LOTR has 3 types of rings (ghosts), 5 multiballs all with unique ways to qualify and most with multiple stages, "final modes" to cap off all the main things you can do in the game (TaBA, Ring Frenzy, Destroy the Ring)...

IJ4 has a lot of modes and MBs (20!) and they're all boring and tedious to qualify. Not saying GB will be, but being lengthy and full of modes doesn't equal LOTR.

KISS' right ramp looks like the best comparison to me. It's a tough ramp but possible to backhand.

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Lol if any wimps actually put longer flippers on this game.

I think we're talking about the art not extending all the way to the rail on the left outlane?

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Wait until the people complaining about that see the shooter lane.

I hear they're steep as hell and going to ruin the game.

I would speculate all day with you because I'm excited for the game and there's nothing else to talk about until they start shipping out, but without seeing 3 seconds of the Prem/LE in action there's just nothing to talk about yet.

So those damn foreigners can deal with the first-run problems. Make America Great Again.

I don't like video modes but wouldn't ever disable in settings unless it popped up multiple times in every single game or something. AFM's once-per-game video mode is perfectly fine. Black Rose is a little overboard.

I actually enjoy the AFM video mode a lot because I'm a Missile Command fan, but can totally see it as a chore otherwise. MM is a better example. Video mode should be an uncommon reward since if it happens too often it feels like the game is making you take a mandatory break from having fun.

Must be a tribute to the NES game where there are only 3 Ghostbusters. I wonder if the missing one is Winston...

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Like Shadow, JD, Champion Pub, Junk Yard...? I was only checking the top 100 though, should I go deeper into games like SOF and No Fear? Are you sarcastically arguing that innovative pins suck?

Magna slings look like they kill the balls momentum which is the opposite of what slings usually do. Definitely can't say I think they look great, still firmly "wait and see" territory for me. The effect is neat, if it slows the ball down a lot I can see the Prem/LE being easier.

Meh the more I watch it the more I don't think it means much. They were throwing really soft shots at the slings mostly and the slings were set to grab the ball back after shooting it away. The most exciting thing about the slings is that the software can change how they react, if we get traditional one-shot slings sometimes, weird ghosty slings other times I think it could still be something I want more than regular slings.

Even though I'm still very wait-and-see on magna slings I'm sure the second they show a video during multiball I'm going to think it's so stupid and awesome that I'm totally onboard with the premium.

Will the next game have STEEP RAMPS though?