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Yeah, 1984 known to be a shitty year for movies 
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Quoted from Wolfmarsh:With a standard sized backglass like that, where does the LCD go?
Goes under the game pointing at the ground. It will flash colors during the game, and is available as an add-on mod from Stern for $400. 
Quoted from John1210:George Lucas who still has a big say in what happens and Disney don't let anything Star Wars go cheaply.
Quoted from Captain_Kirk:George Lucas has zero say in anything about Star Wars. Zero.
Yeah Kirk is correct on this one. The fact they immediately threw out Lucas ideas for the new movies should tell you that.
You don't hand someone billions of dollars and then let them hang around looking over your shoulder.
Quoted from epthegeek:I mean filling in things that are likely not accurate, given what the layout shows. It's not very likely that there will be a live ball path across that long slot on the left for example.
Who cares man...all people do hear all day long is talk what they think code will do or not do or what the art will look like vs. how they want it to look etc.
Quoted from NPO:Holy cow...all 4 of those were Lyman's in terms of code ...I see a pattern....
Well it's not that cut & dry. He probably gets the better themes to work with. Wasn't much excitement when WWE & Mustang were announced.
4 weeks later
Quoted from crlush:Looks like a gottlieb thing, lookup gottlieb genesis, same thing with the inline guides.
Think it's just a mock up. If they try to copy just aboot anything from Gottlieb sales are doing down the shitter.
Quoted from Ed209:Producing content for an LCD monitor would be more expensive. Doubt you'll see any price drop.
It's actually cheaper and easier I hear...and Stern is most likely going to give you back the savings associated with it.
Seriously....people believe that shit around here.
X-men was the worst ever. I didn't own it, but I was excited to play it. After the first update that completely changed the game, and then the next one that "wolverined" it up, I lost interest and never went to play it again.
So that's one person's story. Of course this games are made for a basement not businesses so there's that.
Quoted from CobraClutch:I heard a rumor there was going to be a Ghostbusters pin. Anyone know anything about it?
Yep you can just google it and see all the images and everything else. Pinside doesn't allow late breaking news the rest of the internet has 
1 month later
Quoted from spandol:Maybe not since there are 3 ladders. But each ladder is linear and you have to repeat a scene if not completed. Maybe it won't matter while we actually play the game but that doesn't sound good.
WEll I leave this stuff to the pros. Maybe it will be new an interesting? I'll wait till my pro gets here before worrying. I got a hankering that maybe the code isn't complete yet 
so I have no idea what will end up
Quoted from spfxted:There are sooo many cool items on Amazon and toy stores that could be a Topper for this game!
amazon.com link »
How boot this one? Throw some awfull LEDs in it and bam!
http://www.amazon.com/Bag-Poop-Novelty-Gift-Island/dp/B00E8MEMQY/ref=sr_1_1
Quoted from erak:Does anyone think they are going to find a way for the magnetic slings to not make the balls stick together during multiball?
They are going to have to pulse them or something. I know exactly what you're talking aboot as it happened with Met quite a bit.
Quoted from lowepg:I just got some more playtime on it and Im really not loving the massive upper play field either. It just makes the game feel claustrophobic to me (honest help that alternate play between GoT and wide bodies, but still).
I need to find a GoT Pro to play... the dragon doesn't do ANYTHING for me either, so a Pro might be a winner.
The upper PF is kind of cool, and if it's a keeper game I can see it being nice to own for a long time...cause it gives you something else to do. From just a playing perspective though; it's not that exciting. It really just slows down the game and it moves you towards one objective which is another MB...but sort of "big whoop." And because of it they had to add the drop target in front which I don't like either.
The dragon is a toy of a dragon that flaps it's wings like...better than the pro? Beyond silly.
Quoted from Jvspin:It is fast and smooth except the dull thud of the ram shot. It just doesn't feel like there is much to do. The software really needs to elevate the game to make it interesting, IMO.
Again...how aboot the thud of the Drop on the Prem?
Quoted from NPO:Man, ya'll are nuts saying TWD Pro > TWD Prem. Absolutely nuts.
The light show alone...
This is what I always find nutty....classic Pinside phrase that makes no sense to me. But everyone seems to agree with you so I'll go chew on some nuts now 
Quoted from Mando:No I think we are saying that due to the location of the ramp there is plenty of flipper power to get it up. But of course we won't know until we play it.
Look, there's no point assuming it won't be too steep to hit.
Now, let's get back to assuming the ramp will be too steep to hit please. 
Quoted from DefaultGen:I hear they're steep as hell and going to ruin the game.
Interesting I saw a Q&A with Stern and it is true the ramp & mags are so steep they can't be hit, BUT the game itself is designed only to be placed at a 3.5 degree pitch...so it all works out in the end!
Quoted from Ed209:Do people actually enjoy videomodes?
Yeah quite a bit of people. I thin kit might be a sweet spot of people growing up in the 90s DMD era. In general I hear the most complaints from people before, or after that segment.
Quoted from kpg:I like the idea of having to move Slimer left and right in order to eat falling pieces of food, wine bottles, etc.
But is that too common? IJ, NF, congo, STTNG, I500 ...hmmm gots to be a couple more that are like that at least?
Quoted from kpg:Can we all get together and file a class action lawsuit against Paul Feig for directing that crappy GB reboot, and completely screwing over the license? I blame him for ruining what could have been a pretty decent movie.
So what where the bad parts to the flick? I mean other than it not being the original cast which wasn't going to happen.
Quoted from Propaganda:What is a pinball machine?
Pop bumpers
Take one of those away, and something is missing.
Incorrect
Quoted from Propaganda:The slings will haunt the game forever.
And don't even get started on the steepness of that ramp 
people in these types of threads.
Quoted from Sparky:Tough crowd!
Understatement of the decade!
Quoted from CobraClutch:I am shocked.
Oh wait this is
Quoted from rai:Pss
Too bad the LE doesn't get fancy rails like GOT, ST or SMVE and makes do with simple cheap lollypop style while the premium gets nothing.
Well what the hell do you expect for more monies?
Quoted from Pinballlew:Just funny that people talk so definitive on what they know as facts without knowing them.
Yep. I for one have NOT A CLUE on what mag slings would be like...it's such a strange concept I couldn't form an opinion one way or the other. Lest we forget as mentioned before; slings aren't always your friend
Quoted from flynnibus:my god. please tell me you were looking for the sarcasm font..
Although I have a bachelor of science I'm not a scientist pre se`...so magnetic fields are new to me man. Not my specialty so just trying to keep up. 
Besides these slings are pretty new I think...so I doubt anyone knows how they work and will react with other things.
Quoted from flynnibus:How will they react with other things? The same as every other magnet in games... which have been in the center of the playfield for nearly 20 years. TAF, GNR, and many more.
Hmm...true. Maybe the whole point of making these side art things vinyl was to counter-act the magnetic waves.
Quoted from dos_reboot:I heard Stern had to switch to carbon fiber legs on the Premiums and LE.
The magnetic slings were causing the steel legs to hit an external periodic frequency whereby positive feedback between the cabinet's deflection and the force exerted by the powerful slings resulted in a self-oscillation and eventual failure (pinball fall down... go boom).
Damn...that's gonna cost a pretty penny but at least we'll be safe
Quoted from PinballHog:I'm sure with the prem. you can get a shaker motor for it can't you? I think that's the only deference I would want that the LE has.
Whoa whoa whoa...You reallllly want to shake the magnoslings®™ up? HAVE YOU F*&%ING LOST YOUR MIND MAN?!?!
Quoted from Captain_Kirk:I'll need those shades if I'm looking at a bright/puke green armor and legs!
Outlandish paint is in style right now so I get the Slime Green armor...it's completely hideous but that's what people like.
Quoted from jonesjb:-The Ecto goggles are going to be one of the coolest features, barely talked about now, but will really 'bring the machine to life'... giving it an energy and making it more dynamic.
-Everyone will have gone overboard with toppers, making the top of their machine look like some sort of half-assed Ghostbusters garage sale table.
-Pros will start arriving at select locations before the end of April, trickling out.
I'm only interested in the goggles because it sounds completely uninteresting to me, like a child's toy, but people do seem excited.
No doubt on the toppers...this will be the most embarassing owner pics yet
I hope you're right on that...I'd like mine in April please
Quoted from Rarehero:Most pinball toys are LITERALLY child's toys (action figures, etc) ...Ecto Goggles are fully animated "hologram" ghosts you can "hit" with the ball.
I don't count action figures as a pinball toy...I'd explain my point of view on it, but I don't think a month away is going to change 4 years of knowing everything.
Quoted from dos_reboot:So ze goggles, ze do nothing for you?
Not really...I get the jist of it, but a .5" little hologram (EDIT: or whatever the hell it is) probably isn't going to blow my mind. It could though. Probably be washed out by LEDs 
Quoted from Captain_Kirk:OK, Mag Slings and Ecto Googles debated to death. Time to move on to Slimer and how he will behave on the Premium/LE.
Slimer is the thing that worries me the most, but I haven't seen it work in person so I'm not overly worried. I just looks like a part that would be prone to problems, and it doesn't look that great in pics. But I haven't heard a shit ton of issues with it so maybe it's good to go.
What's the Prem do over pro...moving more locations?
Quoted from Rarehero:How about explain it instead of insulting me. You called it a child's toy. I gave an example of things that are child's toys. I'm not sure I've ever seen a Pepper's Ghost toy for kids...maybe it exists, please let me know.
I'm not insulting you, I'm just commenting on the way you've acted for years.
http://www.amazon.com/Hallmark-Halloween-HGN5022-Genevieve-Ruffles/dp/B008MYT674
There's a pepper's ghost for kids? Not enough? usually isn't.
Quoted from Rarehero:From what I understand he hovers over the City on the pops...then when he "floats" down, he can move to different locations. Not sure how many places he can move to, though...from different sources I've heard "2" and "4". On the Pro he just has a simple up/down movement.
Thanks, haven't really seen it yet...waiting till this bad boy gets delivered.
Quoted from jonesjb:Dumb question, but what's the diverter? When I think diverter, I think of the ones in Shadow.
Sure those are manual diverters you are using, regular ones are controlled by the game to move the ball to diff'rent areas.
Think of the ball lock diverter in AFM, it either goes in the lock or moves and goes in the ramp back to the flipper
Quoted from VolunteerPin:I'm happy to share my distro but just not sure of the forum etiquette of doing so. Is it okay to share this?
Not really
Doing some research from some "people I know" I've heard that the issue is in fact the MagnoSlings®™ and it's even worse than we dreaded. Seems a low level employee Turned them on without the dampening field (vinyl side art) being installed. Now the good news is the GB game is actually fine...BUT they did lose a bunch of time because the magnetic waves erased the KISS code that was supposed to drop. So it's sort of an all hands on deck fixing going on. So weird...but I knew that shit was going to get some bad juju going.
Quoted from fosaisu:Unless you're saying it's not cool for him to reveal the specifics of communications from his distributor, which would seem like a pretty case-specific call depending on what the news is that was shared and what your relationship is with your distributor.
Well he's giving a specific-ish date so I don't know...I don't recall many people posting such things but just trying to play it safe.
Quoted from Captain_Kirk:Video is hardly pointless. It shows exactly what we needed to know, and that is how the basics of the slings function.
It should you what you needed to know, which is nothing because you'd love anything obviously.
Quoted from epthegeek:That's not a "kicker" at all. You throw a ball at a kicker and it fires back hard to somewhere else, not bobbles it and drops it.
It had some good action every once in awHile, but for the most part they just sort of dribbled down to the flipper without much fan far...like...wow? They could end up awesome, they could pump more juice into them...but for now that was pretty lackluster.
Quoted from Pinballlew:Here lies a great mod...additional firing kicker coil to replicate the authentic sound of a kicker Zero patent violation there for all you nodders
Modders only please...don't let stern reproduce coil noises! 
Quoted from Captain_Kirk:Hardly. You know.....sometimes the ball hits the regular slings without getting kicked...and "dribble down" as you say.
Agreed there, but that has a lot to do with how the game is set up and were it hits the slings. I middle hit to the slings is never going to dribble down.
Quoted from kermit24:I am sure they will have a sound effect for it in normal play.
A haunting one I'm sure...that would be pretty cool.
Quoted from Pinballlew:Watched the video multiple times and it never kicked it away without grabbing it back towards itself.
The problem is most of the time when it hits the right MagnoSling®™, it ends up on the right flipper, and vise versa which is of course the opposite of how normal slings work now.
So it's pretty obvious that by reversing the polarity of the magnet on the right MagnoSling®™, that would make the ball go to the opposite Flipper. Pretty basic science and I'm sure they know that; this is just test mode.
Quoted from Syco54645:I hope this was a joke. That is not how magnets work at all with a neutral. Take a magnet, stick on your fridge. Flip the magnet over and stick on the fridge again. Does it push away? No...
Well my fridge wasn't magnetized in the factory so magnets don't stick to it (bought the cheap one).
Anyway, since this thread started I've been reading up on magnets quite a bit and I'm pretty sure I'm right.
I understand what you're saying...but the MagnoSling®™ are charged with electricity, that means it had electrons which obviously can have their polarity reversed.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:The entire vibe of the premium / LE model has this "all in" approach to me in terms of Stern offering their most feature packed game to date with Ghostbusters.
That's the only part that would really worry me...sounds like some DE mistakes.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Putting too much in the game? It all depends on how those features are used.
Exactly what I meant.
Nice try Rai but that graphic doesn't have the vinyl Magnostabalizers® side art anywhere so you're basically playing with a loaded gun
Quoted from Dmod:I think these are set up to "work like traditional slingshots" in the sense that the switch on the rubber is detecting when to fire the slingshot. Only instead of a kicker to push the rubber, the magnet fires to pull the ball away from the rubber. So in that sense, the magnet probably won't pull the ball except in response to the slingshot switch being hit.
Yeah we're actually all past that point...I don't think anyone is confused by that
Quoted from jar155:What do you think pop bumpers and slings are for? Randomness.
Quoted from Propaganda:Say what you want, but more randomness was not wanted before this was announced. If it gets too random, people are going to walk away.
Well....hmm...it could be the sweet spot of making it "more random" as compared to other games, but perhaps it will end up just as predictable as slings are now in it's own way.
Quoted from CaptainNeo:that video is ass,
Quoted from Russell:This video makes the Magna-sling concept look gimmicky and lame.
Quoted from turbo20lbs:I'm going with FAIL on this first video.
Quoted from Flake:It was just a "hey look, they're here, they kinda work. We're working on them." than anything else as far as I could see.
Quoted from Mando:but the sling action has to and I mean has to be more than what I saw.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Exactly. I'm betting that video was shot while the game was in a test mode for the magnetic slings.
Quoted from Expletive:I'm disappointed in the magna sling video.
Quoted from Pimp77:The magna sling demo was a little lackluster,
Quoted from seenev:I love the way stern throws around the phrase "early code." I work for a software company and if we demoed our software and told people it was "early code" we would have zero customers.
Quoted from Deez:Wow those magna slings look stupid. Looks like pro it is.
Quoted from Betelgeuse:I hope we get to see some real gameplay soon. If that is how the slings will behave 'normally', then that's pretty depressing.
Quoted from Chitownpinball:JUST PLAY THE GAME....Im finding myself yelling this during the video. How frustrating. Bad demonstration, gimme a break.
Jesus Christ you damn fools....did you not hear the man?
Quoted from Captain_Kirk:Video is hardly pointless. It shows exactly what we needed to know, and that is how the basics of the slings function.
They look smooth to me.
The rest is going to be outrageous fun when they really go wild.
See there...everything was cleared up...shoove shoove along you nay sayers....
Quoted from bb2j3z:funny as soon as stern starts selling the accessories... they should be included in the original price!
Yeah it doesn't make too much sense.
Quoted from Redknight87:Don't you feel like this one is a little different in why people want to see game play of the premium/LE?
Nope.
Quoted from kpg:I'm not new to pinball, been playing my whole life, just new to pinside and new to purchasing machines for my own personal collection.
Yes that's typical...now that's it happening to you you want everything to change. Just like other people already agreed to pay 8K without plastic protectors (which you probably wont need BTW) and then are shocked they won't get them...wtf?
Quoted from kpg:I probably could have told you any of those titles had more risk then GB.. this is one of the biggest and best selling releases Stern has ever put out, can that be said about the ones you just named?
None of those had the dreaded MagnoSling®™!!!
Quoted from CaptainNeo:don't worry, GB will have it's horrible movie i'm sure as well.
TF's theme was awesome, and if they did it with Gen 1 art, it would have been fantastic.
Not the GB movie the game is based on...
Not the TF Movie the game is based on...
Quoted from Laseriffic:Ok great ,but where do you get your info that this acrylic is brittle and will break? Who do you know that has had this happen to them?
Take it to the modding section you 2. No one wants to hear 2 modders go at it all day. this thread is for real GB information.
Not for crying and arguing aboot shit.
Quoted from kpg:Ah, ok- so they are not only Ghostbusters.. but Demonbusters. Gotcha.
Have you seen Ghostbusters?
Quoted from ArcadiusMaximus:Not to mention he's the only ghost you actually see them bust entirely.
Are you sure? Or right, I guess they didn't show Ackroyd finishing
Quoted from kpg:Ok enough of this lame discussion.. Where's Jared and another vague 25 second video of the machine in Test mode to stir up new back and forth bickering when you need him?!?
I think the next one they are going to show with the power off.
Quoted from kpg:They sell pinball machines as a way of doing business, and promoting them by showing gameplay video shouldn't fall in line of "dropping everything" right? ...Does any other company and business work this way?
As we've discussed many times, this is the way they work and they're doing fine. This is the way all the other games have been sold before you personally bought this one, and think everything should be diff'rent.
In 2 years, and 2-3 NIB Sterns you'll be sitting here calming someone else down.
Quoted from Bing_Party:I got a question though. If you could get a shaker motor for free installed on this pin, would you do it? Do you think it would make it more fun or annoying?
My brother made a shaker for his virtua pin. Shakers don't do much for me personally...if it's on there for free I probably wouldn't take it off though.
Quoted from kpg:I guess I'm just hoping Stern see's these comments and hurry's the process up...
1000% chance no. They didn't listen to the 80 people crying in the code threads for 8 months. 
Quoted from kpg:Yeah, those rails seriously do look dumb. I don't know who authorized that at Stern.. maybe Stevie Wonder is on the payroll there now?
Ha...they just follow the trends. Years ago before the powder coating revolution began, people used to mock how bad Shrek looked...like what a joke. Fast forward a few years and Avenger Hulk is coming out and everyone was pumped aboot how sweet the green look was.
Quoted from DerekParsons:Completely understand. But what can one do but wait?
Oh there are plenty of other things to do. Insistently posting on pinside 100 times a day aboot wanting to see a video and umm....well I guess that's the only other thing to do 
Quoted from j_m_:in an interview, john mentioned that GB was going to have the "standard trudeau layout". he was referring to his non-traditional (or increased) gap. john started this with CftBL and has continued it on mustang and WWE
Thabks for catching is up to 10,000 posts ago.
Quoted from chuckwurt:EP 1 was horrible, we can all agree on that. EP 2 was not horrible, but still forgettable. EP 3 was amazing IMO.
EP3 amazing...is that a joke? "I have the High Ground Anikin.." bwawhgawhga...just when you though the writing couldn't get any worse from Lucas.
Quoted from kpg:The movie cost $154M to make, and I doubt they even make back 1/4 of it.
I'll take that bet.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:The change log doesn't specifically say Mass Hysteria multiball though for that change.
Could reverse flippers now occur at anytime? If so it would be cool if points are doubled while in that state.
True I am assuming....if it does it every time you hit it, not going to last long in my house.
Quoted from kpg:.. trust me, it reads better on here then it sounds lol
man so do all the ones in DH but I learned to love them they're so bad.
Quoted from kpg:... i'm ready for this thing already !!
Just got the message mine is ready for pick up but I won't be able to get it until a week from this weekend 
Quoted from Flato:It does seem a little lest brutal then the pro but it could be that good players had a while with the pro so they know what they are doing either way it means its not as brutal as it was.
MUCH less side to side with those sleepy slings...did someone say the pitch of them was diff'rent? Anyway, new code seems to have added new ball savers too which is helping
Quoted from kpg:Watching the stream and that guy keeps saying "KPG" whats up with that ? impersonator in chat?
bwa...dude you were attacking Jody viciously...halarious
Quoted from Bing_Party:This thing is unreal. I was confident that premium or LE was the right choice. After seeing this thing in action the debate is really over. This thing is worth every penny more over the pro, it's sick and it's early code.
What aboot it really sets it apart form the Pro in the stream?
Quoted from Bing_Party:Really? Do you have eyes? If you can't figure it out, then stick with a pro.
Yes, although they are a little burnt form the stream. I was just getting your take on it but I can see your period just started so I'll go get you some pads.
Quoted from chuckwurt:Does the amount of ghosts you have captured before starting storage facility multiball matter for anything?
I don't think so...other than starting the events that occur. Storage MB is just kits to the captive ball then lock
Quoted from chuckwurt:Word. The sounds and music to this game are scratching me right where I itch. Not sure how I will like the game play until I get my hands on one, but loving the audio all the way around.
Oh yeah it sounds awesome...and I feel like the update added a bunch of stuff, but that may be a Pro v LE thing; probably a mix of both.
Quoted from Betelgeuse:I think another reason that we are not seeing a lot of sling action has to do with the angle of the slings. They are a bit more vertical than usual, so the ball is less likely to hit them head on and activate the switch.
That's only if the Prem/LE angle is diff'rent than the pro; because the pros seemed to activate as much as standards.
Quoted from Betelgeuse:I mean that the issue is a combination of the angle and the single switch being used.
Yeah I didn't know aboot the single switch till today...the whole thing makes more sense now.
Quoted from spidey:The slings just need to fine tuned at home.
You're probably right...The designer of the game probably just had it set up poorly.
Quoted from kpg:Why all the debate over a few words in the callouts?
Simple solution: PINBALL BROWSER
I don't know how much of a simple solution that is to everyone; at the moment at least. I'm semi crafty but I've never tried to use and have no idea how to.
Quoted from kpg:I'd rather have less active slings on the Prem/LE, then the slings on the Pro that end up in an outlane drain every.single.time.
In theory I agree, but I've never liked the idea of the version that costs more monies being easier...that just doesn't sit right with me.
Quoted from kpg:Its not that it is easier, it just looks and plays much cooler. ...Its not easier, it just balances the game and is clearly how the machine was intended to play.
Right...the way it was intended to play...the slings not ending in an "outlane drain every.single.time." 
Quoted from vcloverjr:Someone mentioned magnet burn. Is this something to consider? and if so, how can
you prevent or lessen the wear?
Thanks
Undetermined if worth considering until it's a reality. Plenty of people know one way or the other around here of course.
Putting mylar on the area would protect the playfield....if the game doesn't already come with it installed in that area.
Quoted from 27dnast:Have you seen the last 20 years of video games? Have you seen the DMD animations on TWD? Violence and guns...and those machines are everywhere.
Right but that's not as bad as swearing...Gaithersburg is in 'Merica right? 
Quoted from kpg:Sounds like based on this discussion I'm one of the only guys who actually like the magnaslings in this thread,
Quoted from Flato:I feel some people are grasping at straws with what's wrong with the prem/le model
They are a totally new style of sling, they didn't do anything 90% of the gameplay video, and none of us have played them, so I don't know how much people can shower them with love. It's just an unkown and that's what most people are saying, and the other have think that Trudeau doesn't know how to adjust switches on the pinball machines he creates
Hell, if you think aboot the talk of the slings before this video, the love has increased 10000X!
Quoted from Ed209:Are you saying the slings only registered 10% of the hits? That's a pretty large exaggeration of how they preformed if you are.
I'm saying they didn't make much of a change in ball direction, in 90% (I mean you know man it's just a number) from What I could tell. Again, I was watching it live and haven't had time to watch the HD version today. As we were discussing before, I don't know what happens when they activate. Are the lights always going on? The theremin we know doesn't happen every time....so it's a little confusing. From what I saw, absolutely minority of the time the ball was affected when it hit the slings.
There is only 1 switch in the sling, so that factors in, everyone is sure Trudeau set his own machine up incorrectly....so I haven't a clue.
I thought they looked cool & fun.
Guess that counts
Quoted from kpg:Surprised no one is bitching about how an airball landed on a plastic near the left captive ball, and they needed to essentially body slam and tilt the machine to get it to roll off
Frankly I was just shocked everyone didn't start a revolt whenever someone tilted the machine or slammed the lock down bar...you know how people get around these parts
Quoted from Mando:As for the slings I don't think anyone think the action that have when triggered sucks , just a question of how often they trigger . When they are hit I am pretty sure those inserts flash and it makes a sound.
Correct...I thought the movement/sounds were kick ass...just happening few and far between
Quoted from Captain_Kirk:Someone saying it's great but not worth the extra money, that's understandable.
Someone saying that the new features are worse than the pro's or irrelevant is bonkers!
Plus, my pro is ready to be picked up and plugged in. If the Prem/LE turns out to be that great I can just sell the pro and upgrade.
Quoted from Jvspin:From what I could see, the dip under the playfield was hardly noticeable and haven't really heard much mentioned about how cool the effect was. I do like the metal ramp though.
Do people who have played the game feel it's too right flipper centric? Is there a good way to get the ball over to the left flipper?
My conclusion: the Pro is full featured and it doesn't seem like you are giving up much play wise. I'm a little disappointed in the Pre/LE but think it still offers enough to differentiate it from the Pro. Unlike say ST pro vs Pre.
Yeah subway lock is still a mystery to me. At times in the video he would say "physical lock" and get excited, and then the ball would shoot out of the storage area which is what it does on the pro so I need to it to grasp it. And a metal ramp adds no value to me.
Post passing worked fine for me. Probably more right centric but I don't remember feeling super strongly aboot it.
The right ramp is hard to hit and I imagine it is on both...I don't see big value in it returning to the left flipper personally....other than you have an actuall 2 ramps instead of 1.5 in pro
Other things like 3d buildings...non of that type of thing interest me in the least....but that;s more mod centric which people love.
Quoted from Manimal:I could point out several of these that drive me nuts. My favorite is "suppose" instead of "supposed"......seems a lot of folks skipped grammar class that day.
Please don't, it's really annoying and doesn't have anything to do with pinball.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:When some people say "its just a ball lock, who cares" and "the Slimer toy on the premium doesn't add anything" it just leaves me scratching my head. Same goes for the Ecto Goggles and magnetic slings. Those 4 extras are awesome in my opinion and add a lot to the game.
Well because I really don't understand what makes the ball lock that much better. In MET, the hammer is ugly, comically big, and dumb, but the ball lock I can see and it's cool and interesting. On GB I don't quite know what I'm looking at/for so I don't really know. Unlike most people I reserve the right to understand it later and like it.
The ecto goggles do nothing for me...It's basically a little LED screen on the field...that didn't impress me on the hobbit or WWE. I don't know why the facts it's a peppers dong should blow my mind.
As I always say, what leaves me scratching my head the most is people that can't grasp the fact people have diff'rent opinions on games, toys, features.
Quoted from lapean111:Personally, I just love physical locks.
Exactly, and fair enough. To me they aren't that important really. I'd rather have a physical I guess, but it isn't something I would spend moneis on. If it were a la carte` and they said $200 for a physical ball lock I'd pass.
Quoted from kermit24:I take it you haven't played Game of Thrones LE / Premium? The light show is amazing.
to some it is. To me, the LE is hideous.
Quoted from kermit24:Lots of folks that prefer the pro don't understand all you can do with the upper PF.
Always the dummest(sic) argument ever. If you ever see yourself typing it...just stop
Quoted from PanzerFreak:shots all sounds like fun to me
Exactly correct...just don't be amazed when not everyone agrees with you. As a TZ owner today, I wouldn't "upgrade" for the clock
Quoted from lapean111:Question: When you hit the right orbit for a mode start, does it trap the ball somehow while the mode starts, or does the ball just keep moving?
I believe the ball MUST go all the way through to start the mode. If it gets caught in the pops the mode does not start.
Quoted from Pimp77:Why not go Prem/LE?
I can give you my paypal if you want to fork over the extra dough for a physical tro!
Because monies....always because monies
Quoted from PanzerFreak:You forgot the part where you actually see the ball drop from the steel ramp (not plastic) underneath the playfield.
It's not a ramp, it's a habitrail...it would still be a habitrail if the first ramp was plastic.
Plus some people prefer plastic ramps.
Quoted from Pimp77:I guess...if you can't float it then that's a legit reason, but long term you'll come out at least even on an LE/Prem purchase vs a pro. Not really much risk $-wise.
Sure sure...I'm not worried aboot the risk. Pro is cheaper, and it's ready right now. I can't be losing practice time because I'm waiting for an LE.
I think because of that I might 'always' buy a Pro anyway...but helping me is the fact I don't have enough greenbacks for a Prem/LE.
Quoted from Bing_Party:Got an opportunity to play the pro at the pin festival. It is a awesome game. I can now see why some folks are buying the Pro, it made me want to keep playing
Glad you enjoyed it...can't wait till I pick mine up!
Quoted from TheLaw:What aboot it really sets it apart form the Pro in the stream?
Quoted from Bing_Party:Really? Do you have eyes? If you can't figure it out, then stick with a pro.
Quoted from Bing_Party:Ask a dumb question...
Quoted from kpg:To this day I have no idea how MET Pro can even be compared to a MET Prem and why people say it's not a big difference.
Just keep reminding yourself...people like diff'rent things...it's not that hard to grasp.
I've been playing pinball my whole life...when the GI changes colors, it doesn't excite me...it's just lighting. Wow, a cross is coming out of the playfield...not that amazing really. It's cool for sure, but I'm not paying $1700+ for that shit...no thanks. I'll put that toward the next game I'm getting.
Quoted from kpg:I assure you, the first person to make a marketplace ad here on Pinside for $10K will sell it so fast you wont even have time to type another one of those witty comments that TheLaw loves to immediately upvote
First time I've ever been accused of overly agreeing with teekee.
Or is this because I down voted your dog dolls on your game
Quoted from Eryeal:How about we just get back to discussing GB Pinball?
I haven't had a great amount of time to really put the game through it's paces...but in my short time I will tell you it's not a ton of..."Fun;" but as I move along hopefully it will get better.
Quoted from Pinfactory2000:I doubt it.
I'm guessing its because GB2 isnt a good movie.
Quoted from jellikit:This might be the understatement of this whole thread and that is a saying a lot!
Brad
Quoted from Syco54645:Do the trolls in MM suck?
Totally diff'rent, trolls absorb a bunch of energy, and the ball never hits the trolls, goes airborne over the inlanes and drain
These are closer to CC, but are much more brutal. As long as you have time to aim it isn't bad, but when they're up and hit by accident you'll be paying.
Quoted from Syco54645:I never had issues playing on Trent's games. They seemed just fine there and dropped every time they were hit.
Maybe he fixed them up a bit, maybe just diff'rent. I haven't investigated mine too deep so I'm not overly worried...but they do reject many a shot.
Quoted from Captain_Kirk:New trailer is out. It's even worse than the first one.
Man, does the FX look like PS2 era graphics.
» YouTube video
Special effects look really good actually.
Quoted from Flato:Haven't watched the second trailer not sure I want to after the first one from what I read this movie is going to rip off the first movie basically a second GB origin story.
Yes, hence the term "reboot."
Quoted from Captain_Kirk:Laughably bad. Compare the ghosts in this move to the practical effects in the original.
Why can I not compare the ghosts in this movie to the ghosts in the original (The ghosts in this are much better)?
Why do I have to compare apples to oranges?
Quoted from Rarehero:Bill Murray hates GB2!!!!!
End of discussion...back to pinball.
Everyone hates GB2, well there's one person that loves it.
Once CK gets on a tear, it's not going to end anytime soon sadly.
Quoted from Captain_Kirk:You're complaining about that after having a PC battle with Medium-Rarehero?
Although THAT's 100% a good point
Quoted from Captain_Kirk:Because I want to make the comparison. Couldn't give a rat's ass if you do or don't.
Yes why aren't you comparing the special effects of the 2 movies...just special of reboot vs practical of original? That's weird.
Quoted from jeffsgames:I wish Stern would get some pins shipped so we can talk about the game again!!!!
I was actually talking aboot my game before but then KGB started going on his strangely anti black, yet African-American rants. It sent the thread into a tailspin.
I thought people were saying you had to progress through each "ladder," but it seems you can go up multiple ladders during a game? Was confused aboot that one.
Quoted from kpg:You are the person who was ejected from the thread, now you come back and completely crap all over it.
In his defense it's his thread...he's been crapping over it since day 1.
BTW, has Rarehero received your DNA sample yet? 
Quoted from kpg:Right now Slimer is pretty much a booger on a stick, with very little purpose.
Well he starts modes. If they're having issues with making him work correctly I don't know if adding a MB around him is such a good idea.
Quoted from Shapeshifter:Played it today - fun game but wow that right ramp sucks big time. What a poor design.
Yeah the right "Ramp" isn't that great. I'm not hating it too much right now, but I think as time goes on it will stand out more and more.
Quoted from Phbooms:Its all done to have a thicker cable. I asked for them to send new mech but wont unless its broken with pictures
Cool thanks for looking into it.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:After enough plays it doesn't really seem like a ramp at all
Quoted from Phbooms:I like the right ramp shot, cleaner you hit it the farther the ball goes up and traps more ghosts.
It's an interesting idea...but it's just not a ramp the way we usually know them. It's for sure the hardest shot, so you hit it super clean 1 in 6 tries and what happens...you get 3 measly ghosts? Be sure to drink your Ovaltine
Is it the shot for the terror dog hurry up also? Just trying to see if it's involved in enough activities. When the arrows are lit for it, half the time I hit it it comes down before rolling 1 switch and gives me jack.
Quoted from kpg:Ghostbuster's Lite
Ghostbuster's Full
Ghostbuster's Full Limited Edition
Quoted from kpg:Captain Kirk/OP has 13 more days on vacation from this thread, so that means it should be on topic for 13 more days.
Phew, 12 more days of fresh new ideas and someone just not repeating the same thing over and over beating a dead horse
(mod edit. Keep it clean)
Quoted from Rarehero:Gary of all people should know that pinball collecting isn't a 12 month fascination for most....doesn't he notice that he's been seeing the same people (customers) at shows for decades?
Yes, he doesn't see all the burn outs that jump in for a year and then fizzle.
Quoted from jar155:I don't think that they should randomize the modes. The ladder stuff is cool. It's pretty neat how it rolls automatically from We Got One to the Sedgewick Hotel into He Slimed Me and so on. You still get a choice of which ladder to jump into.
Linear games don't usually get to me, I own a PM, but this is sort of wearing on me just a touch. But I agree it's a progression and happens that way. I just know that rarehero, and many others, had stated he wanted to modes randomized
Quoted from JoshODBrown:i've had my pro since April 25, i ordered it around March 15. I talked to someone in the US who also ordered the pro around the same time as me and they are expecting it to be maybe July before they get it now.
I believe I orderd mine in early March and got it mid May
4 weeks later
Quoted from rockrand:I am in one an le but I like the right ramp on the pro,I find it a hard fun shot,it need code for like an extra ball if you make it up to the top a few times or some other award
Yeah the problem isn't the pro ramp itself, tough shots are cool, there isn't a ton of reason to hit it; just like the right hole.
Quoted from jonesjb:Do you think this works in a small collection? On the other hand, since it is so difficult, it will last longer.
I just lowered the outlane posts on mine to see if it makes it anymore fun. As for guests, on normal set up it isn't making many freinds.
Quoted from PerfectFlaw:I bought longer flippers. The JT gap was a bad choice on the pin.
I think the issue, I won't say problem, is there's too much "fu*% you" in it. The flipper gap doesn't bother me that much...BUT the flipper gap + the lane bounces + and greedy outlanes etc add up to too much.
Now, that's just me, and you've found a way to have more fun as well. I don't think there's anything wrong with pins that you have to play very meticulously, very measured...they just aren't "my type of games" as much as others.
Quoted from Bwilson:When people are modifying the factory design of the playfield just for longer ball times... it's gone a little too far.
Hey, people use lightening flippers all the time.
I even closed my outlanes ot the lowest setting the other day; as much as it pained me. 
Another rarehero meltdown eh? Surprised it took this long.
Quoted from jar155:Not a terrible idea, but what if you want to switch ladders?
You just switch ladders, It's up to the player to decide what they do. You can leave a ladder almost anytime you like, by juts hitting the last completion shot not in the ladder shot...if that makes any sense.
It's a very controlled game in some aspects. Shooting on the fly punishes you greatly. I don't think I've ever lost a ball from the drop targets if you backhand them. Going front hard shot I still get plenty of jump balls.
I agree the modes are very repetitive, it's actually pretty annoying and I didn't think it would bother me.
EDIT:
The issue is you have to keep the modes rolling. The skill shot to start a mode is very important, because shooting slimmer 3 times can be dangerous.
Up until this game Stern has been praised for having to complete modes making Sterns "much tougher" than W/B games, now we should change it?
Quoted from jar155:Right, I meant ...
Ah I see what you mean...well I think that option will still be available using the skill shot. Now when you end a ball with all ladders lit, they are still all lit plus a skill shot start. Don't know if that rally counts but it's something....does keep people away from using that shot for other things.
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