Quoted from GoldenOreos:anyway Firepower 2 can happen? every one ive come across is blown out.
I second this!
Quoted from GoldenOreos:anyway Firepower 2 can happen? every one ive come across is blown out.
I second this!
Quoted from Skypilot:This was my first choice. Rust-Oleum 12-Ounce Painter's Touch 2X Ultra Cover Spray Paint.[quoted image]
Is this fine to clear the shooter lane? Or is 2PAC necessary for that?
Quoted from Spraynard:Is this fine to clear the shooter lane? Or is 2PAC necessary for that?
2PAC is your BEST way to go. Other options will work, but may not hold up as well in the long run.
2PAC for entire surface an multiple coats. You will probably not oulive the 2PAC on a HUO shooter lane if carefully waxed and balls changed and playfield allowed to cure.
Mine has turned out great and should be playable Sunday
My only complaint is if wax is applied without care it will get between hardtop and playfield. This can be remedied but results in unsightly results if not remedied and PITA. Use small ammounts of wax and use care on application. If games is left unkept dirt will eventually work its way between layers. While not better than original restored playfield I find it infinetly better than standard overlay.
Finished Space Shuttle Dec 2. I am very pleased with results. The game plays much faster than the old. It has brought this trade deal new life.
My son got a fairly good game in and it played fast. Would love to see this offered for a few other titles like Warlock, Defender and Time Fantasy.
These machines typically did not fair well. Defender has a plastic set. None of these games to my knowledge have special parts and should be a home run.
Panthera and a bunch of Gottlieb titles come to mind as well. Flight 2000 would be a good one but I guess it might be an odd size.
Quoted from Skypilot:Yes, this is the place to make requests. I will add it to the request list.
Was this added? There were like 10k of these made and they all have blown out playfields. I maybe a little biased.
Quoted from ReadyPO:FG hardtop came in mail yesterday - looks great! - Thanks Skypilot Also, thanks to vid1900, TheCapn, jaytrem, 64bsstp and others for posting excellent guidelines and tips that will make the install go smooth I hope!
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I really want to do this to mine but have little time and am also fearful I'll screw it up! Looks awesome.
Quoted from GoldenOreos:anyway Firepower 2 can happen? every one ive come across is blown out.
Yes please! Mine is much better than most, but I would still hardtop it if it was an option.
Quoted from wamonkey:Any update on High Speed prior posts said before XMas - any update?
I'm excited for this too
Quoted from wamonkey:Any update on High Speed prior posts said before XMas - any update?
High speed is still coming. I don’t know who put a Christmas deadline in here but it wasn’t outsidedge. I have a striped down game waiting to prototype. When I receive it I will post my progress.
Quoted from Skypilot:I don’t know who put a Christmas deadline in here but it wasn’t outsidedge.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/outside-edge-announces-next-5-hardtop-titles-#post-4655636
We will soon be launching (before Christmas) High Speed and Mata Hari!
I thought I saw it somewhere - but I understand why you do not want to be held to a date on any title. But, hey, we are all impatient pinball machine owners right?
You are making a great product - can't blame us for wanting it. But, as you said pinball would never keep the lights on. So - it comes when it comes.
Thanks for just making such a great product -
Quoted from firefighter:Where did you find those custom rule cards from for your space shuttle?
Found Rule Card on Left on Internet - made the other custom rule card
Looking at the photos posted by Andyzola87 and ReadyPO above, that particular arrow insert also looks like its not transparent on theirs either. I'm hoping that it is just the 3m sticker that wasn't cut properly, and there isn't actually 3m adhesive over the insert....
Hoping to see a Williams Flash hard top since there were close to 20K of these out there at one point.
Quoted from darcangeloel:It begins! Come on High Speed!
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Welcome to the party. Keep those fingers crossed.
Supersonic was originally in the poll. Is that forthcoming? Or should I go ahead and restore the one I have the old fashioned way?
Quoted from Pin-up:Hoping to see a Williams Flash hard top since there were close to 20K of these out there at one point.
I’d be in for one too
I would buy an F-14 Tomcat if you made it.
14,500 produced, I would think that would be a great candidate.
So....what would you do? I've got a Black Knight - 100% functional, perfect backglass, decent cabinet (8/10) and a good looking playfield. While the playfield is good looking visually, it's developed cupping in the vast majority of the inserts and it's driving me crazy with the balls getting their trajectory altered each time it rolls over an insert, even at moderate speed. I've got lots of choices, but none are for the faint of heart:
1 - Pop out the inserts using a heat gun and pressure, heat and press flat, sand/polish, reinstall, and apply decals if required. Risks - could break, warp or crack the insert during the process. Replacement BK inserts are next to impossible to find.
2 - Apply a hard top. This idea is really attractive, but my existing playfield is pretty good looking cosmetically already and it would probably be sacrilegious to destroy an original playfield just to fix the inserts.
3 - Try and find a basket case sub-$400 doner BK with a trashed playfield, put a hardtop on it, and use that playfield in my machine. Then maybe I could find a buyer for my original playfield to help offset the cost of the doner BK and hardtop.
4 - Clearcoat the inserts and playfield so it's level but the labor cost on that would exceed a hardtop replacement.
#1 I would attempt myself. #2, #3 and #4 I would farm out to a local pinball repair shop as that's beyond my skill level.
Here's what my current playfield looks like. What would you do?
IMG_6074.JPGIMG_6063.JPGIMG_6064.JPGIMG_6065.JPGIMG_6066.JPGIMG_6067.JPGIMG_6068.JPGIMG_6069.JPGIMG_6070.JPGIMG_6071.JPGMathazar , have you considered a playfield protector?
Right now they are running a sale as well.
Quoted from grbgemen:mathazar , have you considered a playfield protector?
https://www.playfield-protectors.com/Home/Details/a--hn8cHiUai1PzL150V-g?catgoryid=22&name=Black%20Knight%20%7C%201980%20%7C%20Playfield%20Protector
Right now they are running a sale as well.
Actually, I had not considered a protector. Reasonably priced, doesn't look to terribly difficult to install. I wonder how much it will actually reduce the cupping in my case. I'll definitely research this option...thank you for the link, @grbgemen.
Quoted from Mathazar:Actually, I had not considered a protector. Reasonably priced, doesn't look to terribly difficult to install. I wonder how much it will actually reduce the cupping in my case. I'll definitely research this option...thank you for the link, grbgemen.
The inserts will remain cupped but you won’t notice them because the lexan that lays over top of them is flat. I used one on a paragon with cupped inserts and it worked perfectly. It’s the easiest solution for cupped inserts. I love hard tops, but IMO they should be saved for completely blown out playfields.
1. Your playfield looks too nice for a hardtop.
2. If I can successfully install a hardtop odds are you can too.
Fun project, but need to find a real crappy playfield. I didn't have to think twice about doing my Comet.
I agree with grbgemen. Go with a playfield protector. My playfield looks much like yours, and I have a PF protector. It works great.
@mathazar,
I wouldn't install a hardtop as it's too nice. If you are seriously interested in resolving, I would send out to a playfield restorer (like HSA, etc) to get it restored.
Thanx everyone...did some reading on it (including this entire thread: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/lexan-playfield-protector-install-and-review) and I'm convinced. I not only bought one just now for my BK but also my Eight Ball Deluxe. My EBD also has a very nice looking playfield - no insert cupping, but there are rough spots on both inlanes close to the flippers whereby if you trap the ball with the flipper and then release the flipper, the ball stays stuck in the inlane and you have to nudge the cabinet to get it to roll down. The playfield protector should get rid of that annoyance, too!
The company is on holiday break and won't resume shipping until 10JAN, so it may not be until February that I see them. The sale they're running is 20% off your order if ordered by 31DEC....for me, it came out to about $40 which is equal to the shipping cost, so "free" shipping.
Thanx again for the guidance!
Quoted from Mathazar:1 - Pop out the inserts using a heat gun and pressure, heat and press flat, sand/polish, reinstall, and apply decals if required. Risks - could break, warp or crack the insert during the process. Replacement BK inserts are next to impossible to find.
Marco sells many sizes and shapes of inserts. Have you checked there?
Quoted from Mathazar:Thanx everyone...did some reading on it (including this entire thread: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/lexan-playfield-protector-install-and-review) and I'm convinced. I not only bought one just now for my BK but also my Eight Ball Deluxe. My EBD also has a very nice looking playfield - no insert cupping, but there are rough spots on both inlanes close to the flippers whereby if you trap the ball with the flipper and then release the flipper, the ball stays stuck in the inlane and you have to nudge the cabinet to get it to roll down. The playfield protector should get rid of that annoyance, too!
The company is on holiday break and won't resume shipping until 10JAN, so it may not be until February that I see them. The sale they're running is 20% off your order if ordered by 31DEC....for me, it came out to about $40 which is equal to the shipping cost, so "free" shipping.
Thanx again for the guidance!
This thread is not about that product. Ask advice in the thread you lonked to.
Edit: You can start a new thread and create a poll to go with it. That would maximize your advice from others.
Quoted from PinballManiac40:This thread is not about that product. Ask advice in the thread you lonked to.
Edit: You can start a new thread and create a poll to go with it. That would maximize your advice from others.
My initial question involved whether or not I should go hardtop which I felt was appropriate for this thread. Now that I've decided to go playfield protector, I'm over in that thread now.
Quoted from PinballManiac40:Marco sells many sizes and shapes of inserts. Have you checked there?
Yes...found many BK2K inserts but no BK.
Quoted from Mathazar:Yes...found many BK2K inserts but no BK.
Did you shop by physical size? Marco has multiple insert generic sizes and colors not attached to specific games.
https://www.marcospecialties.com/control/keywordsearch?SEARCH_STRING=inserts
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