(Topic ID: 218168)

Official "HARDTOPS" thread

By Skypilot

4 years ago


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“If we produce a Hardtop for this game would yo purchase it?”

  • High Speed 167 votes
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  • Silverball Mania 60 votes
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  • Time Warp 29 votes
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  • Mata Hari 53 votes
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  • Blackout 91 votes
    7%
  • Tri-Zone 24 votes
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    6%
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    5%
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    11%
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    10%
  • Strikes and Spares 51 votes
    4%
  • Kiss (Bally) 62 votes
    5%
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    4%
  • Grand Lizard 71 votes
    6%

(Multiple choice - 1222 votes by 732 Pinsiders)

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#3051 26 days ago
Quoted from billsgto:

The journey has just begun. It's amazing how much dirt accumulates over the years. I've got a lot of mylar adhesive residue, does anyone have a recommendation for how to remove it before sanding?
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Rubbing alcohol.

#3052 26 days ago
Quoted from kciaccio:

Rubbing alcohol.

with flour into a paste.

#3053 25 days ago

What's the best way to deal with drop targets after a hardtop installation? Did you put a piece of hardtop material on top of each one to make up for the new playfield height, or is it nothing to worry about?

#3054 25 days ago

I think most don't worry about the slight change in height.

#3055 25 days ago

Sometimes you do have to make adjustments, especially for in-line drop targets (you don't want the ball getting stuck on top of a downed target, or "thumping" when rolling over them). I had to adjust the height of the 2x/3x/4x/5x in-line drop targets on my '84 EBD. Fortunately, you can adjust the height within the drop target mechanism itself on that game, no shims needed.

#3056 24 days ago

On my Whirlwind Hardtop... you can see the orange artwork goes up around 8" further on the shooter lane. Is this by design?

Also.... when it's time for the adhesive backing to be removed... there will be a space in in the center going up the shooter lane on the Hardtop. Would you try & match the Hardtop orange & paint that wood part on the shooter lane or just leave it showing the wood underneath?
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#3057 18 days ago

No turning back now! Wood is done, just have to smooth out the inserts then put a seal coat on. Hoping to install the hardtop next weekend!

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#3058 18 days ago
Quoted from wastedthelight:

No turning back now! Wood is done, just have to smooth out the inserts then put a seal coat on. Hoping to install the hardtop next weekend![quoted image][quoted image]

I've got to do this one, once I get done with all these playfield swaps and and scratch builds...

#3059 16 days ago
Quoted from wastedthelight:

No turning back now! Wood is done, just have to smooth out the inserts then put a seal coat on. Hoping to install the hardtop next weekend![quoted image][quoted image]

Do you have this playfield lock in a rockwell jaw horse?

I have one of those and have never even given it a thought.

I've had my chop saw and platform in it so long that i barely remembered what it actually was, lol.

#3060 16 days ago
Quoted from jcar302:

Do you have this playfield lock in a rockwell jaw horse?

Sure do! It's not a great solution for this honestly. With all the electronics hanging down, you have to get it just right to straddle...and while locking it down I've let it slip and it's hit down on the saw horse...So now I have to triple check all the parts before firing it back up, make sure things aren't touching due to getting bent. Recommendation, use actual sawhorses!

Sanded the inserts today. I already replaced the top white ones. Actually wish I did them all kind of. People made it sound more difficult than it is. But I think it'll be just fine in the end. Clear coat tomorrow!

#3061 13 days ago

I realize I'm only one voice, but I would purchase a Paragon hardtop the moment I became aware they existed and would gladly join a list or even prepay.

#3063 11 days ago

Licensed game so probably not going to happen. CPR does a playfield for it though

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#3064 4 days ago

It was a long process...but SHE LIVES!! The hardtop looks amazing! Plays so much better now too! I have some adjustments to make on the flippers and switches, but it's great to have it back up and running again.

I'm slow, so I'd say it took me 20hrs to complete.

Tips
- Take pictures of EVERYTHING during the stages of tearing down the playfield! I took photos before I started, after removing plastic graphics, after removing posts but placing screws back (to document which screws were where), and before removing any parts (flippers/switches). This saved me multiple times from playing the guessing game.

- Don't attempt to install it alone! I couldn't imagine getting this in place correctly solo.

- Easy with the Dremel. Don't focus on trimming out rollovers or whatever else for more than a second, it heats up and the hardtop will start melting. This will cause lifted edges around your hole, so you'd need to trim back further to get rid of it. Flick off any plastic as you're doing it so it's still warm, before it quickly hardens, making it more difficult to get off to create a smooth and flat edge. Thankfully I realized this early so I didn't run into much of an issue.

Issues I ran into:
- Screw and other holes weren't perfectly aligned. As others told me, the older playfield was made by several people and wasn't done exactly the same between them. So screw holes or bumpers might be just a smidge off. Simply (carefully) trim out where needed. No fault of the Hardtop, the vast majority were perfect.

- Hardtop sticks out around the outside edges (ha!), trim it to avoid various issues. I almost had a catastrophic incident with it sandwiched in my Jawhorse.

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#3065 4 days ago

Im not a big fan of colored GI, But that looks fantastic! Great job.

#3066 4 days ago
Quoted from 29REO:

***Bally Strikes & Spares*** +1

+2

#3067 3 days ago

Excited to see the Whirlwind hardtop finally available! When sanding the playfield down after removing everything, what should I put in the open holes to prevent the dust/particles from going into the mechs underneath?

Also, my Whirlwind has some really bad raised inserts, so I'm assuming I'd have to use a C Clamp to push them back down?

#3068 2 days ago
Quoted from HydrogenHuman:

Excited to see the Whirlwind hardtop finally available! When sanding the playfield down after removing everything, what should I put in the open holes to prevent the dust/particles from going into the mechs underneath?
Also, my Whirlwind has some really bad raised inserts, so I'm assuming I'd have to use a C Clamp to push them back down?

I used earplugs in lamp sockets, and then used painters tape on the bottom of the playfield to cover everything else.

Usually I replace all the inserts when doing a HT, probably not 100% necessary, but if you already got it all stripped down, and they have issues, probably worth the time and very cheap. Also gives you the option of changing to starburst or other patterns/colors if you choose. I've also seen people use clear inserts, and then use LEDs to change the color, not everywhere but specific areas.

#3069 1 day ago
Quoted from HydrogenHuman:

Excited to see the Whirlwind hardtop finally available! When sanding the playfield down after removing everything, what should I put in the open holes to prevent the dust/particles from going into the mechs underneath?
Also, my Whirlwind has some really bad raised inserts, so I'm assuming I'd have to use a C Clamp to push them back down?

Earplugs and painters tape worked for me too. I cut earplugs in half so they wouldn't stick up and out as much for sanding. Though a lot flew out during sanding, ha. Made sure to check all of them and painters tape before applying clear coat. Also had to double up earplugs for slightly larger holes, otherwise used painters tape. For bumpers I used four earplugs and stuffed them in. I'm not sure why I didn't just use painters tape for those too, ha.

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#3070 18 hours ago

So I laid down a little too much clear paint in one or two spots that hasn't dried in over two days. Any suggestions on how to remove the still tacky excess paint or do I just wait it out a few more days until it dries completely? (And then another 72 hours after that to install the hardtop)

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#3071 18 hours ago
Quoted from billsgto:

So I laid down a little too much clear paint in one or two spots that hasn't dried in over two days. Any suggestions on how to remove the still tacky excess paint or do I just wait it out a few more days until it dries completely? (And then another 72 hours after that to install the hardtop)
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If it was summer I'd say try laying it out int he sun for a while. Maybe sit a box fan next to it and let it blow over the playfield for a day or two,

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