F-14!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least do it for GRUMPY! He deserves it!! 
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Quoted from Mr_Outlane:F-14!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least do it for GRUMPY! He deserves it!!
Hopefully GRUMPY is getting an F-14 playfield soon
Sherwood Park, AB
Any word if Elektra is in the queue? It sounds like CPR was toying with the idea but I don't know if that will ever happen. Elektra owners (myself included) really could use a hardtop option for at least the upper and lower playfield. I'd buy two sets if they made those. I have a vinyl overlay I could use if I have to but would prefer a hardtop. Really want to refresh that whole game. It plays perfect and over the last couple years has been used as my test fixture. Just want to make it look as good as it plays and finally bring it home.
Will we ever get a hardtop for Elektra or should we stop asking?
Quoted from Robotworkshop:Will we ever get a hardtop for Elektra or should we stop asking?
Sure will get one eventually, but if you look at the poll, it is currently not on their list to do. But, they have been known to throw in a surprise or two now and then.
Quoted from PinballManiac40:Sure will get one eventually, but if you look at the poll, it is currently not on their list to do. But, they have been known to throw in a surprise or two now and then.
I sure hope so! That will help inspire me to do the code updates on the game. I did some a while back that were well received for BlackJack and have some things planned for Elektra. Want to build up to a 3 ball multiball having the lower playfield active too. Should be able to do it with plug in mods so it is all reversible. also thinking about adding a playfield magnet on the lower to mix things up but want to find the smallest phyisical option for that. Was going to use my extra lower for that purpose.
Quoted from mathewrs:You've got Comet. How about Cyclone next??
Are cyclone's really blown out this often?
I've had a few of them, none were really very worn.
Probably seen 20+ in person too.
Little bit of wear by the lanes at the top, but nearly none any where else.
It's not a knock, it's just i'm wondering whether some people are really picky and want perfection or is there a lot of cyclones out there that truly need hard tops.
Quoted from jcar302:Are cyclone's really blown out this often?
Unlike Comet, most I've see have held up pretty well.
Sana'a
Quoted from jcar302:Are cyclone's really blown out this often?
I've had a few of them, none were really very worn.
Probably seen 20+ in person too.
Little bit of wear by the lanes at the top, but nearly none any where else.
It's not a knock, it's just i'm wondering whether some people are really picky and want perfection or is there a lot of cyclones out there that truly need hard tops.
My Cyclone is looking bad. Well it looks a lot like my Comet. Would like them both to look mint again. Only games I own that the playfields have wear.
Quoted from Clytor:Hardtop #2 in the bag.
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I love the drop mod on this. Seems silly NOT to do it.
Anyone here into EM's? While em playfields tend to fare better than SS games, due to ball speed and other factors, there are many em games that could use a new playfield surface.
I've got a Skylab which I love, but man, is it planked and cupped! Probably not enough interest in the title to do one.
Quoted from Mancave:Spy Hunter would be awesome I know there's not a huge amount of the machines out there but most of the PF's are shagged!
HearHear!!
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:I love the drop mod on this. Seems silly NOT to do it.
People talk about the drops slowing down the gameplay. The drops coupled with a Hardtop play plenty fast to me.
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:I love the drop mod on this. Seems silly NOT to do it.
I asked Steve Richie if he was sad that Williams made him remove the drop targets to save money.
He told me that HE switched over to stand up targets, because the drops took away that instant reaction speed of the games.
Steve scoffed at the idea that Williams made him remove them....
Quoted from vid1900:I asked Steve Richie if he was sad that Williams made him remove the drop targets to save money.
He told me that HE switched over to stand up targets, because the drops took away that instant reaction speed of the games.
Steve scoffed at the idea that Williams made him remove them....
Ha! I won't say he's wrong, I just prefer drops. 
Quoted from vid1900:One could put in some modular connectors, and easily switch between the two targets bank styles
That would be cool
I agree!
Quoted from vid1900:Or how about do two hardtop playfields side by side at a show, one drop, one stand-up ?
Such a popular game, it seems like this would be very doable
Absolutely, and really not all that expensive either.
Quoted from vid1900:One could put in some modular connectors, and easily switch between the two targets bank styles
That would be cool
Already done! Although, I actually did this for easy serviceability. These are not the most reliable drop banks in the world.
62960538092__756C81F4-F18C-4F40-8960-3972456C6B83 (resized).jpgQuoted from Clytor:Already done! Although, I actually did this for easy serviceability. These are not the most reliable drop banks in the world.[quoted image]
I've still got mine in the queue, though I did get the drop target banks, thanks for that. Did you have to do much fitting for the drop targets with the hardtop?
Quoted from Fn4me:I've still got mine in the queue, though I did get the drop target banks, thanks for that. Did you have to do much fitting for the drop targets with the hardtop?
Hey man, happy to help! I opted out on the standup target behind the drops, so no additional alteration was need on the wood or Hardtop.
Quoted from HHaase:I recognize those drop target boards. (They're actually sized for .156 headers too, FYI).
-Hans
Oh wow. I'll keep that in mind for the future!
Small question before I install a Blackout hardtop.
I noticed in the install videos for other games that there is adhesive in the shooter lane area. Blackout does not have this and I assume this is correct since the side rails will hold it down. Just wanted to make sure it’s not supposed to have adhesive under there.
Also there are 2 small strips of plastic connecting the open part of the shooter lane. Should I just remove these when I’m doing any trimming?
78B7E823-3833-4C3C-8CB3-3F0FF23A449B (resized).jpegQuoted from shimmydisc:Small question before I install a Blackout hardtop.
I noticed in the install videos for other games that there is adhesive in the shooter lane area. Blackout does not have this and I assume this is correct since the side rails will hold it down. Just wanted to make sure it’s not supposed to have adhesive under there.
Also there are 2 small strips of plastic connecting the open part of the shooter lane. Should I just remove these when I’m doing any trimming?
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Yes, rails will hold it down. HOWEVER, once you have it lined up as best you can with inserts and switch slots, look at how the shooter lane lines up. I didn't take note to this until I had already applied the hardtop. Trimming the hardtop shooter lane channel is much easier while the hardtop is not applied to the game.
Good advice, thanks! Inserts all line up really well, and shooter lane looks good. Taking my time with this. It’s all prepped and ready to put down this weekend, can’t wait.
Since Black Knight has been made, will BK2K be made as well?
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Can anybody tell me what the shelf life is on a hardtop? I want to buy one soon for my Comet but could be 5 years out from the install. My concern is that the adhesive might go bad. Any advice or experience would be greatly appreciated.
Quoted from pinballshack:Since Black Knight has been made, will BK2K be made as well?
I'd be all in for that!
Quoted from Pinbub:Can anybody tell me what the shelf life is on a hardtop? I want to buy one soon for my Comet but could be 5 years out from the install. My concern is that the adhesive might go bad. Any advice or experience would be greatly appreciated.
The 3M 300LSE data sheet says 2 year for a shelf life
49DDAB9E-EED7-4436-8B18-295D5B2C9695 (resized).pngQuoted from Pinbub:Can anybody tell me what the shelf life is on a hardtop? I want to buy one soon for my Comet but could be 5 years out from the install. My concern is that the adhesive might go bad. Any advice or experience would be greatly appreciated.
In addition to the data sheet mrm_4 provided above, I'd recommend sending a PM to pinsider outsidedge. He/they make the hardtop and I'm sure you can get the proper skinny from him.
FWIW - My MH hardtop sat on my shelf for 6 months before I installed it. 18 months and hundreds of plays later, still like new.
But even after 2 years it’s not like the adhesive would just dry up and flake away it’s probably still stickier than hell. Let’s say the 2 years was a half-life, it’d probably be 10-12 years before it became the same as duct tape. And even then it would still service it’s purpose to hold onto a playfield with all the posts and pop bumpers holding it in place.
And we all know once that adhesive is down it isn’t ever coming up on it’s own.
So after seeing a post here regarding a newer Stern's playfield arc, I checked my Pinbot in part because I needed validation from the obscene amount of outlane balls. It's closer to an 1/8" on each side, stronger on the right where most balls are lost. I'm planning on installing a Hardtop. I'm hoping this is something I can level out during the sanding process? Are there other suggested corrections to this using a Hardtop? I can only assume that any arcing is more or less done happening after 35 years.
Quoted from vid1900:I've got a 49x49" torsion box table that has been machined dead flat by cnc
All plywood seems to have plenty of warpage when laid upon it
Why am I not surprised?! Vid, you kick more ass than Chuck Norris!
Quoted from Mr_Outlane:LOL! I don't even know what a torsion box table is?
OK, I'll Google it!
It’s basically a grid with a skin on both sides. If you build it right it’s nice and flat and sturdy.
Quoted from radium:It’s basically a grid with a skin on both sides. If you build it right it’s nice and flat and sturdy.
Yup, YouTube has some vids on how to build one. I may do this!!! 
Quoted from vid1900:I've got a 49x49" torsion box table that has been machined dead flat by cnc
All plywood seems to have plenty of warpage when laid upon it
Thanks for the idea Vid! * You should start you own YouTube channel called Vid's vids. 
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