(Topic ID: 218168)

Official "HARDTOPS" thread


By Skypilot

2 years ago



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“If we produce a Hardtop for this game would yo purchase it?”

  • High Speed 154 votes
    14%
  • Firepower 112 votes
    10%
  • Silverball Mania 55 votes
    5%
  • Time Warp 26 votes
    2%
  • Mata Hari 50 votes
    4%
  • Blackout 86 votes
    8%
  • Tri-Zone 21 votes
    2%
  • Swords of Fury 66 votes
    6%
  • Space Station 57 votes
    5%
  • Fathom 50 votes
    4%
  • Pinbot 122 votes
    11%
  • Eight Ball Deluxe 112 votes
    10%
  • Strikes and Spares 44 votes
    4%
  • Kiss (Bally) 50 votes
    4%
  • Supersonic 39 votes
    4%
  • Grand Lizard 69 votes
    6%

(Multiple choice - 1113 votes by 644 Pinsiders)

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#1801 38 days ago

F-14!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least do it for GRUMPY! He deserves it!!

#1802 38 days ago

Not doing them on your dining room table is also recommended..

#1803 38 days ago
Quoted from Mr_Outlane:

F-14!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least do it for GRUMPY! He deserves it!!

Hopefully grumpy is getting an F-14 playfield soon

#1804 35 days ago

You've got Comet. How about Cyclone next??

#1805 35 days ago

This

Quoted from mathewrs:

You've got Comet. How about Cyclone next??

#1806 35 days ago

Any word if Elektra is in the queue? It sounds like CPR was toying with the idea but I don't know if that will ever happen. Elektra owners (myself included) really could use a hardtop option for at least the upper and lower playfield. I'd buy two sets if they made those. I have a vinyl overlay I could use if I have to but would prefer a hardtop. Really want to refresh that whole game. It plays perfect and over the last couple years has been used as my test fixture. Just want to make it look as good as it plays and finally bring it home.

Will we ever get a hardtop for Elektra or should we stop asking?

#1807 35 days ago
Quoted from Robotworkshop:

Will we ever get a hardtop for Elektra or should we stop asking?

Sure will get one eventually, but if you look at the poll, it is currently not on their list to do. But, they have been known to throw in a surprise or two now and then.

#1808 35 days ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Sure will get one eventually, but if you look at the poll, it is currently not on their list to do. But, they have been known to throw in a surprise or two now and then.

I sure hope so! That will help inspire me to do the code updates on the game. I did some a while back that were well received for BlackJack and have some things planned for Elektra. Want to build up to a 3 ball multiball having the lower playfield active too. Should be able to do it with plug in mods so it is all reversible. also thinking about adding a playfield magnet on the lower to mix things up but want to find the smallest phyisical option for that. Was going to use my extra lower for that purpose.

#1809 35 days ago
Quoted from mathewrs:

You've got Comet. How about Cyclone next??

Are cyclone's really blown out this often?
I've had a few of them, none were really very worn.
Probably seen 20+ in person too.
Little bit of wear by the lanes at the top, but nearly none any where else.

It's not a knock, it's just i'm wondering whether some people are really picky and want perfection or is there a lot of cyclones out there that truly need hard tops.

#1810 34 days ago
Quoted from jcar302:

Are cyclone's really blown out this often?

Unlike Comet, most I've see have held up pretty well.

#1811 32 days ago

F2K let's goooooo

Make it so !

#1812 32 days ago
Quoted from jaytrem:

Unlike Comet, most I've see have held up pretty well.

Cyclone never made me any money on route, so they probably never got the play that Comet did

Comet = $$$$$$$

#1813 32 days ago
Quoted from jcar302:

Are cyclone's really blown out this often?
I've had a few of them, none were really very worn.
Probably seen 20+ in person too.
Little bit of wear by the lanes at the top, but nearly none any where else.
It's not a knock, it's just i'm wondering whether some people are really picky and want perfection or is there a lot of cyclones out there that truly need hard tops.

My Cyclone is looking bad. Well it looks a lot like my Comet. Would like them both to look mint again. Only games I own that the playfields have wear.

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#1814 30 days ago

Hardtop #2 in the bag.

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#1815 30 days ago
Quoted from Clytor:

Hardtop #2 in the bag.
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I love the drop mod on this. Seems silly NOT to do it.

#1816 30 days ago

Anyone here into EM's? While em playfields tend to fare better than SS games, due to ball speed and other factors, there are many em games that could use a new playfield surface.

I've got a Skylab which I love, but man, is it planked and cupped! Probably not enough interest in the title to do one.

#1817 30 days ago
Quoted from Mancave:

Spy Hunter would be awesome I know there's not a huge amount of the machines out there but most of the PF's are shagged!

HearHear!!

#1818 30 days ago
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:

I love the drop mod on this. Seems silly NOT to do it.

People talk about the drops slowing down the gameplay. The drops coupled with a Hardtop play plenty fast to me.

#1819 30 days ago

Drops over standups almost alllllllways, imo.

#1820 30 days ago
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:

I love the drop mod on this. Seems silly NOT to do it.

I asked Steve Richie if he was sad that Williams made him remove the drop targets to save money.

He told me that HE switched over to stand up targets, because the drops took away that instant reaction speed of the games.

Steve scoffed at the idea that Williams made him remove them....

#1821 30 days ago
Quoted from vid1900:

I asked Steve Richie if he was sad that Williams made him remove the drop targets to save money.
He told me that HE switched over to stand up targets, because the drops took away that instant reaction speed of the games.
Steve scoffed at the idea that Williams made him remove them....

Ha! I won't say he's wrong, I just prefer drops.

#1822 30 days ago

One could put in some modular connectors, and easily switch between the two targets bank styles

That would be cool

#1823 30 days ago
Quoted from vid1900:

One could put in some modular connectors, and easily switch between the two targets bank styles
That would be cool

I agree!

#1824 30 days ago

Or how about do two hardtop playfields side by side at a show, one drop, one stand-up ?

Such a popular game, it seems like this would be very doable

#1825 30 days ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Or how about do two hardtop playfields side by side at a show, one drop, one stand-up ?
Such a popular game, it seems like this would be very doable

Absolutely, and really not all that expensive either.

#1826 29 days ago
Quoted from vid1900:

One could put in some modular connectors, and easily switch between the two targets bank styles
That would be cool

Already done! Although, I actually did this for easy serviceability. These are not the most reliable drop banks in the world.

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#1827 29 days ago
Quoted from Clytor:

Already done! Although, I actually did this for easy serviceability. These are not the most reliable drop banks in the world.[quoted image]

I've still got mine in the queue, though I did get the drop target banks, thanks for that. Did you have to do much fitting for the drop targets with the hardtop?

#1828 29 days ago
Quoted from Fn4me:

I've still got mine in the queue, though I did get the drop target banks, thanks for that. Did you have to do much fitting for the drop targets with the hardtop?

Hey man, happy to help! I opted out on the standup target behind the drops, so no additional alteration was need on the wood or Hardtop.

#1829 28 days ago

If anyone is in the market for an Evel Knievel hardttop, I have one available in the market place, save you some $$.

#1830 23 days ago

I recognize those drop target boards. (They're actually sized for .156 headers too, FYI).

-Hans

#1831 22 days ago
Quoted from HHaase:

I recognize those drop target boards. (They're actually sized for .156 headers too, FYI).
-Hans

Oh wow. I'll keep that in mind for the future!

#1832 18 days ago

would love a Paragon if it were possible!

#1833 13 days ago

Small question before I install a Blackout hardtop.
I noticed in the install videos for other games that there is adhesive in the shooter lane area. Blackout does not have this and I assume this is correct since the side rails will hold it down. Just wanted to make sure it’s not supposed to have adhesive under there.
Also there are 2 small strips of plastic connecting the open part of the shooter lane. Should I just remove these when I’m doing any trimming?

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#1834 13 days ago
Quoted from shimmydisc:

Small question before I install a Blackout hardtop.
I noticed in the install videos for other games that there is adhesive in the shooter lane area. Blackout does not have this and I assume this is correct since the side rails will hold it down. Just wanted to make sure it’s not supposed to have adhesive under there.
Also there are 2 small strips of plastic connecting the open part of the shooter lane. Should I just remove these when I’m doing any trimming?
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Yes, rails will hold it down. HOWEVER, once you have it lined up as best you can with inserts and switch slots, look at how the shooter lane lines up. I didn't take note to this until I had already applied the hardtop. Trimming the hardtop shooter lane channel is much easier while the hardtop is not applied to the game.

#1835 13 days ago

Good advice, thanks! Inserts all line up really well, and shooter lane looks good. Taking my time with this. It’s all prepped and ready to put down this weekend, can’t wait.

#1836 13 days ago

Since Black Knight has been made, will BK2K be made as well?

#1837 13 days ago

I know no one has said this but maybe another run of Flash Gordon........ just starting my 2nd hardtop EBD, I did a pinbot last year.

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#1838 12 days ago

Somebody made some money on that EBD!

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#1839 3 days ago

Can anybody tell me what the shelf life is on a hardtop? I want to buy one soon for my Comet but could be 5 years out from the install. My concern is that the adhesive might go bad. Any advice or experience would be greatly appreciated.

#1840 3 days ago
Quoted from pinballshack:

Since Black Knight has been made, will BK2K be made as well?

I'd be all in for that!

#1841 3 days ago
Quoted from Pinbub:

Can anybody tell me what the shelf life is on a hardtop? I want to buy one soon for my Comet but could be 5 years out from the install. My concern is that the adhesive might go bad. Any advice or experience would be greatly appreciated.

The 3M 300LSE data sheet says 2 year for a shelf life

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#1842 3 days ago
Quoted from Pinbub:

Can anybody tell me what the shelf life is on a hardtop? I want to buy one soon for my Comet but could be 5 years out from the install. My concern is that the adhesive might go bad. Any advice or experience would be greatly appreciated.

In addition to the data sheet mrm_4 provided above, I'd recommend sending a PM to pinsider outsidedge. He/they make the hardtop and I'm sure you can get the proper skinny from him.

FWIW - My MH hardtop sat on my shelf for 6 months before I installed it. 18 months and hundreds of plays later, still like new.

#1843 3 days ago

But even after 2 years it’s not like the adhesive would just dry up and flake away it’s probably still stickier than hell. Let’s say the 2 years was a half-life, it’d probably be 10-12 years before it became the same as duct tape. And even then it would still service it’s purpose to hold onto a playfield with all the posts and pop bumpers holding it in place.

And we all know once that adhesive is down it isn’t ever coming up on it’s own.

#1844 3 days ago

So after seeing a post here regarding a newer Stern's playfield arc, I checked my Pinbot in part because I needed validation from the obscene amount of outlane balls. It's closer to an 1/8" on each side, stronger on the right where most balls are lost. I'm planning on installing a Hardtop. I'm hoping this is something I can level out during the sanding process? Are there other suggested corrections to this using a Hardtop? I can only assume that any arcing is more or less done happening after 35 years.

#1845 3 days ago

I've got a 49x49" torsion box table that has been machined dead flat by cnc

All plywood seems to have plenty of warpage when laid upon it

#1846 3 days ago
Quoted from vid1900:

I've got a 49x49" torsion box table that has been machined dead flat by cnc
All plywood seems to have plenty of warpage when laid upon it

Why am I not surprised?! Vid, you kick more ass than Chuck Norris!

#1847 2 days ago

LOL! I don't even know what a torsion box table is?

OK, I'll Google it!

#1848 2 days ago
Quoted from Mr_Outlane:

LOL! I don't even know what a torsion box table is?
OK, I'll Google it!

It’s basically a grid with a skin on both sides. If you build it right it’s nice and flat and sturdy.

#1849 1 day ago
Quoted from radium:

It’s basically a grid with a skin on both sides. If you build it right it’s nice and flat and sturdy.

Yup, YouTube has some vids on how to build one. I may do this!!!

#1850 1 day ago
Quoted from vid1900:

I've got a 49x49" torsion box table that has been machined dead flat by cnc
All plywood seems to have plenty of warpage when laid upon it

Thanks for the idea Vid! * You should start you own YouTube channel called Vid's vids.

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