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Official "HARDTOPS" thread


By Skypilot

1 year ago



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“If we produce a Hardtop for this game would yo purchase it?”

  • High Speed 130 votes
    15%
  • Firepower 91 votes
    10%
  • Silverball Mania 39 votes
    4%
  • Time Warp 19 votes
    2%
  • Mata Hari 35 votes
    4%
  • Blackout 76 votes
    9%
  • Tri-Zone 16 votes
    2%
  • Swords of Fury 57 votes
    7%
  • Space Station 44 votes
    5%
  • Fathom 35 votes
    4%
  • Pinbot 92 votes
    11%
  • Eight Ball Deluxe 97 votes
    11%
  • Strikes and Spares 31 votes
    4%
  • Kiss (Bally) 31 votes
    4%
  • Supersonic 29 votes
    3%
  • Grand Lizard 54 votes
    6%

(Multiple choice - 876 votes by 511 Pinsiders)

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#851 4 months ago

fattdirk probably has the highest play game with a hardtop. Last I remember his Space Shuttle had about 2000 plays and no complaints.

#852 4 months ago

So if I'm doing a game with rollovers (Future Spa, for example) the idea is to remove the rollovers, install the hard top and then put the rollovers back in even with the hard top? Makes sense.

Shawn

#853 4 months ago
Quoted from Mk1Mod0:

So if I'm doing a game with rollovers (Future Spa, for example) the idea is to remove the rollovers, install the hard top and then put the rollovers back in even with the hard top? Makes sense.
Shawn

Check out Vid’s Comet Hardtop thread: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/vids-guide-hardtop-restoration-comet/page/3#post-5024390

Classic Vid, he does a great job addressing rollovers on a Hardtop there.

#854 4 months ago

Got a shipping notice from FedEx! My HS Hardtop should be here on Tuesday.

#855 4 months ago

Potential solution to star insert issues: make small star insert hard top circles that can be rotated to match the star insert pattern. If you could make that along with a star insert switch plastic (whatever you call the white part that moves inside the insert) that was the same thickness as the hard top taller it might encourage some folks to go ahead with an install if they're scared of having to remove and level a star insert.

#856 4 months ago

Will someone please let us know when EBD is ready . I was told some time in 2019 . Thanks good day

#857 4 months ago

The star insert was my biggest concern before install. Turned out to be real easy. My hardtop was hanging over the edge of the playfield a bit, so I was able to practice with the mini dremmel drum sander on the side of the hardtop. After a bit of practice I felt more confident.

#858 4 months ago
Quoted from trimoto:

Will someone please let us know when EBD is ready . I was told some time in 2019 . Thanks good day

Post #791: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/official-hardtops-thread/page/16#post-5040424

#859 4 months ago

Trying to reconcile info across various posts from Vid’s general resto posts and his Comet Hardtop one, specifically around inserts.

I’d guess that nearly every insert on my PF is raised, with the amount varying from a fingernail’s thickness to maybe twice that on a couple. I’m reading to sand them down to the PF, but also to reglue and/or replace any that are raised.

Thoughts on what the threshold is here for sanding vs reglueing? I’d suspect that the adhesive on the Hardtop would prevent any re-raising of inserts, but interested to know what other’s experience has been.

Thanks!

#860 4 months ago
Quoted from cjchand:

Trying to reconcile info across various posts from Vid’s general resto posts and his Comet Hardtop one, specifically around inserts.
I’d guess that nearly every insert on my PF is raised, with the amount varying from a fingernail’s thickness to maybe twice that on a couple. I’m reading to sand them down to the PF, but also to reglue and/or replace any that are raised.
Thoughts on what the threshold is here for sanding vs reglueing? I’d suspect that the adhesive on the Hardtop would prevent any re-raising of inserts, but interested to know what other’s experience has been.
Thanks!

There is no adhesive over the inserts of a hardtop, correct? I would sand down and then put glue around each insert, or at least as much of the perimeter that you can.

#861 4 months ago

ugh, hardtops shut down until further notice, not good for me since i was about to place my first order with them on monday, just damn

on another note, does anybody have a firepower hardtop they can part with?

#862 4 months ago
Quoted from creepykenny:

ugh, hardtops shut down until further notice, not good for me since i was about to place my first order with them on monday, just damn
on another note, does anybody have a firepower hardtop they can part with?

Get in line buddy! Lol

#863 4 months ago
Quoted from creepykenny:

ugh, hardtops shut down until further notice, not good for me since i was about to place my first order with them on monday, just damn
on another note, does anybody have a firepower hardtop they can part with?

Any news on this? I needed three of them. Just thankful I got a Flash Gordon when I had the chance!

#864 4 months ago

have heard nothing on this,
i keep hoping some one will reach out to me and sell me one ...... keep hope alive or is it give hope a chance? hope for change?
anyway all bs aside, am hoping i can find one fairly, have a play field with horribly warped arrow type inserts and i really want it out of my house

#865 4 months ago
Quoted from creepykenny:

have heard nothing on this,
i keep hoping some one will reach out to me and sell me one ...... keep hope alive or is it give hope a chance? hope for change?
anyway all bs aside, am hoping i can find one fairly, have a play field with horribly warped arrow type inserts and i really want it out of my house

You'll likely have to wait for Outside Edge to come back online and start producing them again. At $300 a pop, I doubt many folks stockpile them for future projects and have extra laying around to sell. At that price point, I usually wait till I'm ready to start the work and then purchase.

#866 4 months ago

Just became aware yesterday of this product. OMG this really sounds fabulous considering the price of repro playfields...if available. But Damn they are shut down. Really hope that this is not a sign of discontinuing the product.

So I need a Black Knight hardtop when they open up. Money in hands guys.

#867 4 months ago
Quoted from wrd1972:

Really hope that this is not a sign of discontinuing the product.

I think they were just overwhelmed by the number of orders coming in. They should be back up and running soon.

#868 4 months ago
Quoted from bluespin:

I think they were just overwhelmed by the number of orders coming in. They should be back up and running soon.

Those guys are a commercial printing company and do the hardtop thing on the side. I read somewhere on their site that they're using their $1.5M printing press for their hardtops and that they're shutting down while they "retool their production". That retooling is likely being driven by their day business and it, of course, affects their hardtop side business. Here's hoping the retooling results in increased capacity that shortens the time between taking hardtop orders and shipping once production resumes!

#869 4 months ago
Quoted from bluespin:

They should be back up and running soon.

I think I remember reading somewhere it was going to be 6 months

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#870 3 months ago

Hi All! I am finally getting a chance to log on and clarify what we communicated on our site. We are actually shooting to be shipping product again by October. Earlier IS possible... but only if we are ready. Our end goal was to be down for 90 days tops. We just cannot make the changes we are making and also keep filling orders. Impossible.

1. Hardtops are NOT going away.
2. Yes, more titles... no, we will not comment on next titles due to the nature of how we are able to work on them. We made that mistake developing High Speed by announcing... then got daily barrages of emails asking "How long".
3. There IS a list somewhere on
here that I posted some time ago, and that list is still accurate as far as titles.

I will post updates sometime in the next 6 weeks here.

Thank you all for your interest in our product... we are thrilled to play a part in bringing games back to life.

It is our goal to figure out how to turn new titles faster, but that is a complicated thing when mixed into a commercial shop that needs to keep the lights on first and foremost with "wheelhouse" work. We are changing things that may yield results though!

As always, I will apologize for either no response or slow response to the many emails as: "Are you going to do XYZ title"... or "when will you be back... when will this title be ready". We just get so many... It's tough to field them all. We will do our best.

Remember this one though (to maybe reduce emails a little): We RARELY get permission for 3rd party titles like Star Trek, Indiana Jones.. or any other IP containing stars/singers/movies/characters. We have only gotten a few so far.

Again... Thank you...Thank you. Grill out, go swimming... we will be back!

#871 3 months ago
Quoted from Outsidedge:

Again... Thank you...Thank you. Grill out, go swimming... we will be back!

I just received my High Speed (it's beautimus!) and I'm looking forward to getting it installed. It will replace an awful, bubbling vinyl overlay that I made the mistake of using about a year ago.

Good luck with the retool. I for one will be patiently waiting to see what comes out of your shop later this year.

#872 3 months ago
Quoted from Outsidedge:

Hi All! I am finally getting a chance to log on and clarify what we communicated on our site. We are actually shooting to be shipping product again by October. Earlier IS possible... but only if we are ready. Our end goal was to be down for 90 days tops. We just cannot make the changes we are making and also keep filling orders. Impossible.
1. Hardtops are NOT going away.
2. Yes, more titles... no, we will not comment on next titles due to the nature of how we are able to work on them. We made that mistake developing High Speed by announcing... then got daily barrages of emails asking "How long".
3. There IS a list somewhere on
here that I posted some time ago, and that list is still accurate as far as titles.
I will post updates sometime in the next 6 weeks here.
Thank you all for your interest in our product... we are thrilled to play a part in bringing games back to life.
It is our goal to figure out how to turn new titles faster, but that is a complicated thing when mixed into a commercial shop that needs to keep the lights on first and foremost with "wheelhouse" work. We are changing things that may yield results though!
As always, I will apologize for either no response or slow response to the many emails as: "Are you going to do XYZ title"... or "when will you be back... when will this title be ready". We just get so many... It's tough to field them all. We will do our best.
Remember this one though (to maybe reduce emails a little): We RARELY get permission for 3rd party titles like Star Trek, Indiana Jones.. or any other IP containing stars/singers/movies/characters. We have only gotten a few so far.
Again... Thank you...Thank you. Grill out, go swimming... we will be back!

Sweet!

#873 3 months ago
Quoted from Outsidedge:

Hi All! I am finally getting a chance to log on and clarify what we communicated on our site. We are actually shooting to be shipping product again by October. Earlier IS possible... but only if we are ready. Our end goal was to be down for 90 days tops. We just cannot make the changes we are making and also keep filling orders. Impossible.
1. Hardtops are NOT going away.
2. Yes, more titles... no, we will not comment on next titles due to the nature of how we are able to work on them. We made that mistake developing High Speed by announcing... then got daily barrages of emails asking "How long".
3. There IS a list somewhere on
here that I posted some time ago, and that list is still accurate as far as titles.
I will post updates sometime in the next 6 weeks here.
Thank you all for your interest in our product... we are thrilled to play a part in bringing games back to life.
It is our goal to figure out how to turn new titles faster, but that is a complicated thing when mixed into a commercial shop that needs to keep the lights on first and foremost with "wheelhouse" work. We are changing things that may yield results though!
As always, I will apologize for either no response or slow response to the many emails as: "Are you going to do XYZ title"... or "when will you be back... when will this title be ready". We just get so many... It's tough to field them all. We will do our best.
Remember this one though (to maybe reduce emails a little): We RARELY get permission for 3rd party titles like Star Trek, Indiana Jones.. or any other IP containing stars/singers/movies/characters. We have only gotten a few so far.
Again... Thank you...Thank you. Grill out, go swimming... we will be back!

Thanks for the update. Us fans of your product truly appreciate it.

#874 3 months ago

Solar Fire
Maybe some day.
Good news about a great product!

#875 3 months ago

Is there somewhere where we can put a vote in for a hardtop title? I'd like a Flash Gordon but acquired the game after the production run ran out.

#876 3 months ago
Quoted from Outsidedge:

Hi All! I am finally getting a chance to log on and clarify what we communicated on our site. We are actually shooting to be shipping product again by October. Earlier IS possible... but only if we are ready. Our end goal was to be down for 90 days tops. We just cannot make the changes we are making and also keep filling orders. Impossible.
1. Hardtops are NOT going away.
2. Yes, more titles... no, we will not comment on next titles due to the nature of how we are able to work on them. We made that mistake developing High Speed by announcing... then got daily barrages of emails asking "How long".
3. There IS a list somewhere on
here that I posted some time ago, and that list is still accurate as far as titles.
I will post updates sometime in the next 6 weeks here.
Thank you all for your interest in our product... we are thrilled to play a part in bringing games back to life.
It is our goal to figure out how to turn new titles faster, but that is a complicated thing when mixed into a commercial shop that needs to keep the lights on first and foremost with "wheelhouse" work. We are changing things that may yield results though!
As always, I will apologize for either no response or slow response to the many emails as: "Are you going to do XYZ title"... or "when will you be back... when will this title be ready". We just get so many... It's tough to field them all. We will do our best.
Remember this one though (to maybe reduce emails a little): We RARELY get permission for 3rd party titles like Star Trek, Indiana Jones.. or any other IP containing stars/singers/movies/characters. We have only gotten a few so far.
Again... Thank you...Thank you. Grill out, go swimming... we will be back!

I hear all my project machines cheering in the storage unit! Great news and appreciate the post.

#877 3 months ago
Quoted from Seamlesswall:

Is there somewhere where we can put a vote in for a hardtop title? I'd like a Flash Gordon but acquired the game after the production run ran out.

At least you got the pin!

#878 3 months ago
Quoted from ss-pinball:

At least you got the pin!

I'm trying to fix it up for someone, waiting for some chips for the MPU, re-capped the Driver and Sound boards, if it fires up then I will have to decide what to do. The playfield is trashed sadly otherwise it could be decent.

#879 3 months ago

Good to see an update....patiently awaiting to order a space shuttle HT.

#880 3 months ago
Quoted from Seamlesswall:

Is there somewhere where we can put a vote in for a hardtop title? I'd like a Flash Gordon but acquired the game after the production run ran out.

Do you need an extra populated playfield? I have one that I was going to use to help with a Hardtop install. Planned to build it up then swap out the whole thing. That way the original was intact and used as a reference.

I've missed all the Flash Gordon games that came up and am just moving on to something else. So I don't really need to hang onto it.

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#881 3 months ago

If someone has a cleared Swords of Fury PF, I would be interested. I'd buy 2 if available

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#882 3 months ago
Quoted from dnaman:

If someone has a cleared Swords of Fury PF, I would be interested. I'd buy 2 if available

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#883 3 months ago

I need a twilight zone hardtop. my game is great but the Playfield is destroyed be the sun the last owner let it get. Please help I will pay twice the cost of it if you could make one special order. Also I need one For the mini Playfield too.

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#884 3 months ago

Is it possible that future runs of hardtops with in-line drops are not completely cut out at the drops (like the roll overs are currently done) so that they can be dremeled exact after install to help prevent ball hang ups?

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#885 3 months ago
Quoted from jab:

Is it possible that future runs of hardtops with in-line drops are not completely cut out at the drops (like the roll overs are currently done) so that they can be dremeled exact after install to help prevent ball hang ups?[quoted image][quoted image]

100% agree

#886 89 days ago
Quoted from Parker_tz:

I need a twilight zone hardtop. my game is great but the Playfield is destroyed be the sun the last owner let it get. Please help I will pay twice the cost of it if you could make one special order. Also I need one For the mini Playfield too.[quoted image]

Licensing may be a bit of a challenge(?)

If you are will to spend twice the amount, what about a new PF? The job is cutting everything over but someone might offer that service. I know that you would be in for more but I like my TZ and would have done it if I hadn't found a HUO.

#887 88 days ago

Where is the best place to get updates from Outside Edge? This thread?

I was hoping to go on their website & subscribe to an email update list, but I don't see that option anywhere. This is rather surprising for an online based company.

I just want to place an order as soon as they are back up & running. Thanks

#888 88 days ago
Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

Where is the best place to get updates from Outside Edge? This thread?
I was hoping to go on their website & subscribe to an email update list, but I don't see that option anywhere. This is rather surprising for an online based company.
I just want to place an order as soon as they are back up & running. Thanks

Here would be fine.

#889 87 days ago

Hi, I'm hoping to get a 1985 William's Comet ordered when you're back to shipping, are there any already made or am I going to have to wait for it to be que'd up in production?

#890 87 days ago
Quoted from johndheretic:

Hi, I'm hoping to get a 1985 William's Comet ordered when you're back to shipping, are there any already made or am I going to have to wait for it to be que'd up in production?

I gave up hunting down a stockpiled Mata Hari hardtop. I imagine they are going to slammed with orders once they re-open the store. I think they only print to order.

#891 87 days ago
Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

I think they only print to order.

Initially they were stocking product, but they were overwhelmed with orders once people started giving testimonials about the quality. A friend said that they are scheduled to have a booth at Expo in October. I'm thinking they will resume their sales online after Expo.

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#892 87 days ago
Quoted from bluespin:

Initially they were stocking product, but they were overwhelmed with orders once people started giving testimonials about the quality. A friend said that they are scheduled to have a booth at Expo in October. I'm thinking they will resume their sales online after Expo.

This is interesting to hear that they would go to the trouble of having a both to show their wares when it sounds like there is already a high demand while 'being overwhelmed' for the product while running this as a side business. They haven't been able or willing to communicate with this interested audience, any of their work in progress type updates etc... Who else, which audience would they be trying to target at a show? That doesn't make sense to me. Let's just get back online and rolling out new titles. The orders are waiting.

#893 86 days ago
Quoted from dnaman:

This is interesting to hear that they would go to the trouble of having a both to show their wares when it sounds like there is already a high demand while 'being overwhelmed' for the product while running this as a side business. They haven't been able or willing to communicate with this interested audience, any of their work in progress type updates etc... Who else, which audience would they be trying to target at a show? That doesn't make sense to me. Let's just get back online and rolling out new titles. The orders are waiting.

If you sit on your laurels basking in the demand of current sales, one day when those sales dry up, you're out of business. Why do you think large brands like coca cola, Nike, Amazon spend millions on advertising? They are industry leaders, but they are still out there hustling, and creating brand awareness. Because the next guy, with the next best product is right around the corner. Also, part of this retooling is to generate more capacity. The demand right now may exceed their current capacity, but will it exceed their new retool? Only they know that, but if they were happy meeting current demand with current output, why retool at all.

I get the frustration with lack of communication, but they gave an update 30 days ago, and said it would be 6 weeks before the next update. Theyve not broken any promises yet, so I would say be patient. They're taking a risk by shutting down at all for the better of the community. They could have continued a slow churn, but they're looking to offer us perhaps more flexibility in titles and faster turn around. They should be commended, not chastised.

#894 86 days ago

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any idea how long it takes the soon-to-be-installed machinery to print a hard top?
10 minutes?
An hour?

#895 86 days ago
Quoted from dnaman:

This is interesting to hear that they would go to the trouble of having a both to show their wares when it sounds like there is already a high demand while 'being overwhelmed' for the product while running this as a side business. They haven't been able or willing to communicate with this interested audience, any of their work in progress type updates etc... Who else, which audience would they be trying to target at a show? That doesn't make sense to me. Let's just get back online and rolling out new titles. The orders are waiting.

Lol... that’s a good point. I have no problems with the way they’re doing things, but it sounds like somebody just wants to go to the show. No big deal. I do wish they at least had a mailing list or something though.

It’s a shame that licensing and copyright destroys competition that would otherwise satisfy the demand that turns us all into weirdos because we want a sacred $400 piece of plastic.

#896 86 days ago

Not sure if it has been brought up but any chance they are working with Deeproot for their playfields. Robert said he wants to be able to hit his playfields with a sledge hammer before they leave his factory, if anyone's playfield right now could hold up to a sledge hammer hit it could be a Hardtop.

#897 86 days ago

Now THAT is an interesting theory.

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#898 86 days ago

Wow!!!
Please do me a favor and chill!
I am lucky enough to be on the inside in this. Theres no plots. No collaborations. Shits down for a bit.... business as usual. They will be back up in due time. You guys need to relax and go play some pinball. Hardtop will be back up and working on the next title

#899 86 days ago
Quoted from Skypilot:

Wow!!!
Please do me a favor and chill!
I am lucky enough to be on the inside in this. Theres no plots. No collaborations. Shits down for a bit.... business as usual. They will be back up in due time. You guys need to relax and go play some pinball. Hardtop will be back up and working on the next title

Just thank God that Hardtops will never pool or chip People are losing their damned minds about that right now.

#900 86 days ago
Quoted from cjchand:

Just thank God that Hardtops will never pool or chip People are losing their damned minds about that right now.

That's what I'm saying, it would be great if Hardtop was teaming up with a big manufacturer. Who wouldn't want to potentially sell a few thousands more units of whatever their selling.

I'm a fan of the Hardtop product, my Comet won Best in Show Restoration at the SFGE show a couple months ago. I couldn't tell you how many times I had to explain that it Wasn't a new playfield, it is a giant plastic sticker but it was the only pin with a Hardtop at the show. Most people had no idea what they were playing on and that's a good thing.

After all this clear coat stuff I looked at my HUO Star Trek Pro Vault last night and sure enough I have whatever you want to call it Pooling, lifting around posts less than 800 plays and a playfield protector on since day 1. My Comet got several hundred plays at the SFGE show and came away without a single scratch and that's amazing. If it was a major company selling pins and I had issues they could just send me another Hardtop would be less than a few days work for the average pinhead to pull the top side off and replace it.

Either way I'm in on a Blackout when production starts back up.

Side note I've recently found out about this S100 wax it doesn't leave residue to get get stuck under shooter lanes or whatnot. Great stuff.

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