May be a small sample, but the voice of most.

Its only there to prevent ball traps...that said, that dragon looks sweet! With the flapping wings and rocking it will look awesome!

Hope it's not too similar to ST as I don't want the same exact mech with a different hat. We'll have to wait and see, looks like Stern is still adding stuff which is interesting.

Some interesting statistics about feedback: The average business does not hear from 96% of its unhappy customers. For every complaint received, 26 customers actually have the same problem. The average person with a problem tells 9 or 10 people. 13% tell more than 20 about their dissatisfaction. Pinside may be a small subset of their customers, but they are a pretty vocal subset. If Stern understand the statistics behind customer feedback (which I'm sure they do), they know that for every vocalized complaint that they received, there is a large unspoken portion of the audience that feels the same way.

Yeah, the upper PF worries me too. It has the potential to be a great "game within the game" given the stuff there appears to shoot for from the pics we have seen so far, but I hope it isn't something you get to with every second shot or something.

I think the issue, at least for me, is that they're wanting me to pay $7k and they're selling something that looks like it was done by an amateur. I shouldn't have any complaints in a $7k game or it's probably not worth my money.

I'd honestly be hard pressed to spend that much even if it was perfect in every way, but really all they've done is make is so that I don't feel like I'm missing anything by skipping out on a NIB purchase.

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not only complaining about the poor Photoshop effects, but the entire art package, and mainly the PF. As a huge fan of the show, nothing about overall visual incorporation of the theme on the PF makes me want this pin. They came up with gears and chains that have nothing to do with the show and put them all over the place. It looks like crap.

Plus the ability to trap balls on the flippers is another thing I worry about, I know it's a legitimate strategy but most upper flippers like Tron no trap due to the angle or like Tspp or AcDc small flippers.

There are a lot of people on the Spectrum on Pinside. Most of them don't know. That's probably why it looks so familiar.

Except the pro could be nice.

I'm having people offer RBION or BTDK for 4-something and I think a couple hundred more will get me a new pro.

I need to play the game and see the fun and how the rules but less than $5k is still semi decent when compared to $4500 for an older Stern that's not SM or LOTR.

Then it sounds like you were really NEVER a buyer in the first place.

At least you're being honest....

Not sure if Im a buyer either.... certainly won't know till I PLAY one myself, not just look at videos, but PLAY it!

LOL vs a dragon head with a light in it's mouth

I wouldn't have said NEVER when the theme was officially announced. It might have been a bit of a struggle to justify, but it's well within the realm of possibility that I could save up enough for a NIB. I might have been able to justify it. It's a dream theme for me, after all.

But on visuals alone, I'm ok with saying that I absolutely would not/will not be buying this game. I guess for me to spend that kind of money I'd need all of the following:
-A theme I love - Check!
-Fun game - Who knows at this point? I'm easy to please in this area.
-Good art package - Nope!
-Good theme integration - In some respects that goes back to the art package, but would also include DMD visuals and audio. This aspect fails already for me because of a bad art package, so the rest won't matter to me at this point.

I'll stick to spending $20 on a perfect example of GOT theme integration in the video game by Telltale Games, and I'll sit and wonder why the pin couldn't have been as good.

I'm glad you agree!

I just hope it's more "animated" than AC/DC's band.

i was wondering, will the dragon on top of the mini playfield move the same way, i mean it's pretty damn close to the glass and the back panel. on the pro it's definitely a plus.

nice touch with the ball on the throne.
flow looks crazy.

if it plays great i might be tempted by a pro with a lot of great mods.

There is no right or wrong answer here. Everybody has their own standards and expectations.

As many others have said, the expectation bar gets raised higher as the price keeps going up. Some people don't care.

Plus the fact that when you already have 10 pins to play or multiples in most cases, you can afford to be patient, discriminate and wait for the next one to come out.

Play it first and let the code develop is usually a good general rule to follow anyhow

Is the pricing on the GoT Pro about 4700 to 4900?

good points but I wonder what would happen if more and more people start to hang back for better code before buying could cause another issue, as in the past games that are not so popular don't tend to get updated code and therefore not reach their potential.

I am sure glad I waited to play Kiss

MSRP is $5,995. I have not gone so far as getting a quote on a pro, but I don't think it will be 1,095-1,295 lower than MSRP. If I buy GOT, I'm holding out for a premium anyway.

I'll support a pin like TWD up front because I love the theme and it was Borg and Lyman. I liked the look of the layout and as always, Lyman crushed it.

Not saying other programmers can't get it done but we KNOW Lyman will no matter what. When the day comes that he drops the ball, and I think he has too much pride to allow that to happen, then I'll have to go with option B.

Option B is Keith.

Bringing a layout and theme to life is crucial, and those two guys are the best at it. I guess it's a bet on the jockey.

Haha. I will never be able to look at that mysterious door any other way. Is the "outhouse" GoT's equivalent of the LOTR LE backglass faux pas?

What did TWD cost? Same msrp right? So whatever people paid for that should be the same price for GOT right? Never bought new in box.

Prices have gone up since then. I haven't gotten recent quotes, but I think people have said there have been a couple $200 bumps?

Oh so distributors have decided to raise their prices? Gotcha.

Also, is it cheaper to pay in full cash and pickup myself?

the comparison you want is what people are paying for KISS - those are the same prices.

If paying cash, I'm sure the distributor will take notice... 'pickup' unless you mean from Stern's factory will still include some freight charges as it ships from Stern to somewhere. I don't think they allow factory pickup? The distributors normally drop ship from Stern to you... or get several games together to ship to them.. and then you might pay for shipping or setup from your distributor to you.

No, Stern raised prices, distributors followed.

Weird. So leave the MSRP the same, up the price to Distros. interesting.

No I meant from the distro, but Makes sense that even if I did that there is gonna be freight costs cause they paid to get it from Stern to them.

I think they raised the MSRP for KISS?

They keep raising price after the METLE debacle to cut out the "flipper profit"

IMHO that profit doesn't exist anymore and we have gotten much smarter with respect to the LE money grab.

Many more options today. Choose wisely.

here is a short history of Stern released MSRP prices at time of initial release

September 2015 / Game of Thrones / Pro / $5995
September 2015 / Game of Thrones / Pro / $7595
September 2015 / Game of Thrones / Pro / $8795

May 2015 / Kiss / Pro / $5995
May 2015 / Kiss / Premium / $7595
May 2015 / Kiss / LE / $8795

March / 2015 / Whoa Nellie / Boutique / $6499

January / 2015 / WWE / Pro / $5495
January / 2015 / WWE / LE / $8595

December / 2014 / The Walking Dead / Premium / $7595
September / 2014 / The Walking Dead / Pro / $5995
September / 2014 / The Walking Dead / LE / $8595

June / 2014 / Iron Man Vault / Pro / $5495

March / 2014 / Mustang / Pro / $5395
March / 2014 / Mustang / Premium / $7495
March / 2014 / Mustang / LE / $8495

December / 2013 / AC/DC Luci Premium / $7495

September / 2013 / Star Trek / Pro / $5385
September / 2013 / Star Trek / Premium / $7495
September / 2013 / Star Trek / LE / $8795

April / 2013 / Metallica / Pro / $4995
April / 2013 / Metallica / Premium / $6995
April / 2013 / Metallica / LE / $7595

November / 2012 / Avengers / Pro / $5699
November / 2012 / Avengers / LE (2 models) / $8099

October / 2012 / Transformers "The Pin" / $4000

June / 2012 / X-Men / Pro / $5699
June / 2012 / X-Men / LE (2 models) / $7999

March / 2012 / AC/DC / Pro / $5699
March / 2012 / AC/DC / Premium / $7699
March / 2012 / AC/DC / LE (2 models) / $8499

September / 2011 / Transformer / Pro / $4795
September / 2011 / Transformer / LE (3 models ?) / $6295 ? (need to confirm)

May / 2011 / Tron / Pro / $4799
May / 2011 / Tron / LE / $5999

January / 2011 / Rolling Stones / Pro / $4799
January / 2011 / Rolling Stones / LE / $5999

August / 2011 / Avatar / Pro / $4799
August / 2011 / Avatar / LE / $5999

LE's did not really exist before Avatar

April / 2010 / IronMan / Pro / $4799
April / 2010 / IronMan / Classic (Home) / $3799

Whoa...that price list is a real eye opener. Thx

yeah, I have been recording each release as a quick reference in game and date release, puts things into perspective

TRON LE wow.

interesting that SR's LE's jump up on AC/DC and ST and other releases drop down, and GoT maintained the same price as Kiss LE

That's a great list, Jady. Did you keep track of all the Australian pricing as well? I'd be interested to know the price of TSPP and LOTR over here in the early 2000s compared to pricing now.

So for instance on Mustang Pro, the original MSRP was $5395, but now it's $5,995 (same as all the other Pro models) on Stern's website. I'm curious has the distributor price actually gone up $600 since its release as well, or has it been a smaller increase than that?

I started another dedicated thread a little while back here
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/sterns-game-release-history

as well as here which has some of the recent Aus Pricing at different dates but never went back further, sorry.
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=13571.msg180296;topicseen#msg180296

I only captured the press release pricing of Stern's MSRP, not updated ones as time moves on as starts to get messy unless you setup a spreadsheet, this list is a good starting point at least instead of guessing and speculation.

Interesting... while ACDC MSRPs were substantially higher than anything else at that time, street prices remained normal for 2012... $4200/5500/6400 or so before shipping. If Stern did another Tron Pro run today, it would have the same MSRP as the LEs originally did

Ours up north had jumped like crazy because of the dollar. I bought a Tron Pro NiB, and a Kiss Pro NiB. The difference was almost 3K. The distributor had nothing to do with it, I'm sure they made the same profit off each.

Not in the case of X-Men.

Last week I heard the new amorphis song Death of a king and had to think about GoT ever since I heard it.

I think I will use this song with pinball browser in the game .

Hell yeah! That song is awesome. Thanks for sharing.

some of the band members need to work on their heavy metal stage presence. lead singer's got it though.

So the MSRP of LE's has gone up $2800.00 since Tron LE was released in May 2011.

Well, at least we are getting a lot more for our money now!

1st Gameplay will be Monday night by Dead_Flip -

Dead Flip : Pinball Streaming will have a special show LIVE from inside the Stern Pinball factory on Monday, September 28th at 4pmCST. The episode will give viewers an exclusive first look at Game of Thrones Pro Pinball as host Jack Danger plays the game with multiple live camera angles! Make sure to tune in Monday at www.twitch.tv/dead_flip #SternPinball #DeadFlipLive #Twitch #HBO #ExclusiveLook #Gameplay

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Looks like Stern raised their prices substantially after Transformers which is right around when WOZ preorders started. Stern then and still is charging JJP prices...but is forgetting to include the same level of features, audio + code level support and tech features.

Hopefully Stern putting an LCD in their games doesn't lead to an additional price increase.

Because people have kept paying it.

And with the exception of WWE people are buying up large quantities of Stern pins. As I've said before; Stern is laughing at JJP all the way to the bank.