If you get desperate and you're planning a trip to Vegas and you can drag it up with you... I would be very interested in talking to you about it.

I'm interested, but you're asking holy-shit way too much for a game that rough!

Hey gang, I know i'm not part of your group, but in case anyone is interested, I am looking for a trade-only deal with my NBA Fastbreak. The Pinside ad ... https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-trade-nba-fastbreak-bally-1997

Is that the Jokerz! from Captains auction a couple weeks ago?

lol, you aint kiddin! That game was thrashed, and some fool paid $700 + commission for it??! My apologies to "scasey".

I was online ready to bid on it too, figured i'd go maybe $350 topps, watched it blast up to $700 and nearly fell out of my chair in total disbelief!! And then watched them have a hard time getting ANY bids on a nice TMNT??!? I have given up on Captain's, there just aren't any good deals there... There are always too many people there with obviously WAY more dollars than sense. And I never have a chance in hell at getting anything I want for a reasonable, or even market average price. I even get free shipping to my door on anything I buy there, and STILL can't find a decent deal!?! BTW, the closest I ever get to So Cal is Riverside, and I don't have any plans to be down there anytime soon.

oh man.... I hate this for you bro. I realize this is NOS, but there are guys selling gorgeous repro's for $600 that are perfect, dimpled, and clearcoated. I wish you the best of luck selling this, but I think this is going to be a really hard sell for you. Have you ever taken on a playfield swap to an UNdimpled playfield? I fancy myself a damn good pinball restorer, but i've never done it, and just the idea scares the crap outta me! I really wish it wasn't damaged, I might have talked myself into a new challenge.

A huge part of me totally agree's with you, but if i'm taking on a swap on a system 11 game, I am only going with a flawless playfield. I personally have no issues with the repro's, I have never seen one that looked bad, I checked out a Funhouse today that just had a CPR swap, and it looked incredible, like brand new again! Except for dumb dumb put all his old thrashed playfield parts onto it! Rudy's chin/lips had no paint left on em, the cabinet is in tatters, etc... lol

Well, i'm glad you weren't offended by my comment, cuz you shouldn't be. And I agree, it is a prime candidate for a full blown restore, which I am totally up for! But "core machines" that need 100% restoration, cost $500-$600, not 2 grand... Particularly when games that don't need restoration are going for around the same price. So if you find yourself willing to get let it go for the right money, to someone who will return it to pristine glory and thoroughly enjoy it in their permanent personal collection, by all means, please PM me!

Well sir, now you have my full attention!! Consider this message as officially letting you know! Please send me a PM with your idea's we definitely need to talk!! And please take a look at my market ad and see an example of my work, and ponder the last paragraph.

You and me both pal... and like 8 others! Apparently there's no such thing anymore.... Anyone got a cheap project BK2000? Cyclone? lmao

This popped up in the market today... https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-stern-austin-powers-1
I do not know him, but I have experience with this seller, good guy!

Damn! That game looks amazing bro! Either that thing has been restored recently, or its never seen a day on a route!!
At that price, it'll be gone before the end of the day! Do you have a BK2K and/or a Cyclone in the same condition and price range?? lol

One mistake I will never make, if I ever find a decent one! People seem to be hoarding the non-thrashed Cyclones lately too! Good luck with the Road Kings sale, but I don't think you're going to need it.

That's that clown in Fullerton, that's what he does, he flips pins at outrageous prices. He also advertises them here on Pinside in the market, but they are never linked to a forum post, assumably hoping that the guy he lowballed won't see it. He also pollutes CL Las Vegas with his ads. The pinball community here in Vegas would like to run into him in a dark alley one day.

lol, i'm well aware of that, and I calls em like I sees em! Until he gets real about pricing, his greed is a cancer to my 25-year hobby! Even though he probably never gets his asking price for those games, he's still part of the problem that has driven prices beyond their actual value for quite a while now, and many of us "regular-Joe's" and getting priced out! And yes i'm pissed about it, and I don't give a damn if he knows it!

Ahhh, so you're the one!! lol, I agree with you on this one... I was actually on that myself, called the dude, asked about bringing it to Vegas on their next trip, he said "let me talk to the boss and i'll call you back", never did. About a week later it vanished from CL.

My involvement in this hobby dates back to realistic pricing, the internet didn't exist, and freedom of speech and the right to ones opinion was something we cherished... not something we condemned. BTW, while this convo has been going on today, our buddy "Surfside" has repushed all his CL ads (TFTC included) back to the top of the listings again!

Ah yes, the growing number of people with far more dollars than sense!? Heard the one about a fool and his money? I'm neither... i'm just the victim of those folks driving up the prices of things. I wasn't responsible for the housing market crash either. No ARM here, but i'll be damned if after 17 years of on-time payments, i'm upside-down in my house!!?

Ah yes, the "Fullerton Flipper" strikes again! I am losing sleep over a Whirlwind I want to buy SO BAD for sale by "KevinG" here on Pinside, I believe "doomid" knows him. I'm literally BEGGING this guy to let me buy his machine that he has LISTED FOR SALE, but he wont return my calls or PM's with his Paypal info so I can send him the money!!! And I just KNOW that while i'm being blown off, the "Fullerton Flipper" is going to swoop-in and pounce on it, and then it'll wind up on CL for double the price and sit rotting in a warehouse forever!

Good luck with that! You really should post your ads in the DuPont Registry instead of Pinside.

Start with about half of what you're asking, that will generate interest. Nobody is going to bother offering you a realistic $2800 (maybe $3K) for an HUO Whirlwind that you have listed for $5900, they just move on to the realistic ads, Like Kevin's minty one for $2500. That machine only cost $3600 when it was brand new, and even a 26 year old HUO is WAY more used than brand new! Plus its not rare, there are over 7400 of them out there.

LMAO! Yeah, those prices are so high, they'd make even "The Fullerton Flipper" crap himself!!

I never said anything to the contrary, and I totally agree, that Whirlwind is GORGEOUS!! My point was simply, a brand new machine is gorgeous & immaculate too, and $3600. My interpretation of "wiggle room" is... Maybe he'll move a couple hundred bucks. Bottom line is, if he thinks that machine is worth $5900, then he needs to keep it, because nobody else does. Which is why I suggested the DuPont Registry... Read exclusively by super-rich dipshits with FAR more dollars than sense! Hell, I hope he DOES sell those machines for those uber-ludicrous prices, but it wont be to the "clue'd" here on Pinside.

Thank you, a fact that I was not aware of... But still, would I pay an extra 3 grand for a thin factory clearcoat that technically was inferior in long-term protection to a good ol mylar? ummm NOT!

And I would guess NONE of us care about your insecure, hyper-defensive comments about something that you cant intellectually comprehend, is not about you, has absolutely nothing to do with you, and nobody asked you for! I'm not giving anyone here "shit, including James!! Well, now except you.

Clearly by the other responses, most interpret my comments as FACT, not negative comments. I even used FACTS to backup my comments. Perhaps if you read all my comments, they would make LOGICAL sense to you too... But probably not. $72,000 for 9 old used pins is crazy, regardless of their condition! The very BEST condition they could be in is BRAND NEW, and they collectively COST about half that much when they were BRAND NEW! That's my point, those are FACTS, not negative comments.
PS. I like Duckies

Say what? Everytime? I think you've got me mixed up with someone else pal, this is my first rant, and its DAMN worthy! And its also important to note that i'm not even interested in but ONE of these titles for my collection, and from the minute it was posted, I had NO desire of ever owning THIS one... Referencing another FACT I mentioned earlier, there are over 7400 others out there, i'll find one someday at a fair and reasonable price, and maybe the seller will even return my PM's and phone calls! Truth be told, I really dont WANT a museum worthy pin, i'm a pretty well respected and meticulous Williams pinball tech (since 1989), and part of the fun for me in this hobby is restoring/revitalizing and then PLAYING the games. I'm the same way with my vintage Ferrari... I work on it myself, its in amazing condition for its age, and I actually DRIVE IT quite often!!

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I like Ferrari's

^^^ Right... there were over 7400 Whilwind's produced, they sold for $3600 when they were new.... just my opinion... geezus.

Thanks man.

Sorry to hear about your job dude, your job obviously survived the recession, and they lay you off NOW!?! That's just messed up....
Can you explain what you mean by "won't be finished"?

Congrats! I just bought one myself a couple weeks ago. I played the crap out of it for a week, and now the playfield is stripped down, getting a deep shop-out, all new plastics, ramps, posts, rubber, hardware etc. Plus a few tweaks and custom touches... It's a great game! Enjoy and welcome to Pinside!!

I would love to take some clowns home! But i'll be damned if I can find a decent Cyclone anywhere... Well, aside from the notorious ebay dipshits that think their thrashed machine is worth 4 grand.

I would love too, but unfortunately no, (hold your applause) I don't think that I would blend very well. Despite the fact that only a couple people that frequent this thread even know a single thing about me, a lot of unsolicited hate gets thrown my way. lol
Not only that, I have bought an Earthshaker (and restored the PF, and replaced every single part on th PF) AND a Whirlwind in the last 6 weeks, so i'm a bit pin-poor at the moment.

Your game sounds a bit like what i'm looking for tho... Ideally i'm looking for a fair deal on a game that is 100% working (particularly the Mystery Wheel) and has a fairly clean cabinet, backbox & translight. Ramps and plastics that DONT need to be replaced, but has a rough playfield... So I can do my first full repro PF swap, so in the end, I have a pretty minty game that I can keep in my permanent collection.

Absolutely, and i'm very used to being misunderstood, especially online. Plus, all us Vegas folks are quite used to tolerating self-obsessed, whiney, hyper-sensitive, ultra-defensive "So Cal" people.

That's excellent advice, but i'm not usually looking for nice examples, my passion is MUCH more about restoring and repairing machines to my personal "perfectionist" standard. What you repeatedly fail to understand about me is, i'm not looking for "affordable", i'm looking for realistic VALUE on distressed/neglected machines. I have all the money I need to buy any machines I want, but I am nobody's "sucker"! At the same time, I decided that I wanted a nicer Whirlwind that I DIDN'T have to work on (because I literally just finished a full-blown PF restore on an Earthshaker), and like yourself, I wanted a Whirlwind to sit next to it... So I bought Kevin G's, his price was within my PERSONAL definition of "reasonable" and I gave him full asking price without batting an eye! I do have many friends in THIS thread that help me out, and I help them out! They are several of the people who are not STALKING my every post trying to manipulate everything I write, into a way to flame me! You probably know most of them personally, and I suspect that it would probably shock you to discover that they don't have anything bad to say about me.

Also excellent advice, and i'm going to take it... But trust me, the only people who will even respond to that post, ARE the people i'm talking about, and don't think I didn't know I would flush them all out with that post! People like you on the other hand, are the exception and are able to turn the other cheek and say "he aint talkin' about me!" Nowhere in that post does it say words like "all" or "everyone", but the people I was referring too, are sure going to read it that way! Hell, my WIFE is from Glendale!! lol

I accept your apology... Ego? Me? lmao... surely you jest! Man, if you only knew... oh so misunderstood. I'l work on trying to predict the misconceptions of my posts, before I post them, but i'm 49, it might take a minute for such an overhaul.

Some days, I think so....

Come to Vegas next week, the arcade at NY-NY has a Ghostbusters, bugs being worked out and mods being added to it right now, but it should be out on the floor probably by Wednesday.

Sorry about that dude, but you're actually not the only frequenter of this thread that was there yesterday, sorry about the bad timing.
Congrats on the high score though, I'll be looking for SKB!

Its been awfully quiet around here lately, and it seems like its been a while since iv'e been lambasted for expressing my opinion about ludicrously overpriced machines... have a field day with this!! https://pinside.com/pinball/market/ad/35017

Pinside member for less than 24 hours, lame description, no specifics on condition, not a single picture, FIRM on price!!? I re-read it like 10 times trying to figure out why I wasn't seeing the term "NIB" in the description. I assume it was just dumb-luck on his part that he didn't opt for a forum post, otherwise half of the Pinside membership would be brutally assaulting this clown!

I'd love to have that^^^

lol... I know, I know. Not in my budget right now anyway...

Me want Diner.... Too bad you didn't wanna sell it 6 weeks ago when I asked to buy it, even though it was ON ebay! lol So I blew that wad on a Whirlwind.

Got rid of my wife last week, so now I have room for maybe 2 more machines in the former guest room she insisted we had for no guests... Extra cash is now the huge problem.

Agreed, Whirlwind is a blast to play, I love it!! But I definitely want a Diner for my permanent collection also!

You should trade me the Diner for my Hurricane, ALL chicks love Hurricane, the only reason I had it was because my wife loved it, and all the women i've ever had over here only want to play the Hurricane!

Bittersweet, but i'll be better off in the end. Yes, I can fit 3 in there, but there's already one in there.

Cute, but actually so far, yes. But she's been MIA for a week, so the drama and unknown is faaaaar from over.

Thanks brother, you make several good points, all true. Yes, plenty of barely dressed babes lately, now that its 100+ degrees everyday, and all summer long... But they're tourists, not dating options unfortunately. And believe me, all that eye candy non-stop 40 hrs a week is far more frustrating than anything else!

Im sorry to hear that, its my fault you know... The good lord wants ME to have that machine, but the timing for me is terrible.
However, if you need to make space, i'm willing to offer a spot at my place to store it for you until my "pinball fund" cash position improves!

I'm tellin ya... Hurricane!! And i've got a nice one for trade toward Diner!

Hehe... My T2 is HUO, I have had it for over 22 years, and its one of my top-3 all-time faves, I will never part with it!

Nope, it never hurts to ask, but missing out on that Diner hurts like hell!

I'm pretty plugged into the pinball scene in Vegas, and while your budget is reasonable, prices are not. The pinball community here is very very small, with great people, but everyone thinks their thrashed machines are worth a fortune. I would love to help you out, but i'm way deeper than $2K into every machine I have because of what I had to pay, then add shipping and the expense of restoring them all to as close to mint condition as possible. You should probably focus your search on machines that are in rough shape, but playable. Learn to do basic repairs and maintenance, fix them up, sell for a profit, then graduate to nicer games.

Well, maybe i'm part of the problem then, I only buy games that I want and intend to keep forever. so I typically have to pay more for games that are in fair-to-good condition because I cannot do full-blown cabinet restorations at my home, for lack of a proper "shop" area... The morons that build houses in Vegas design 2-car garages under the assumption that every family only owns ONE car, or perhaps just 2 motorcycles!

I do have a Hurricane that I bought with my wife in mind, and she did love it, but she's now history. While it is a fun game, and women and kids seem to really love it, its not on my "forever" wish list, so I'll likely be letting it go soon, or looking to trade it... But the rest of my games are mine forever.

There is no "age group" at Flipperspiel, if you love pinball and are friendly people, you will very welcomed there.

Opinions are like assholes, but in these forums, if you express yours, then everyone who has a different one, thinks you are one... People suck.

I like boobs.

Man do I agree on this! While I wont bash stern for adding fixed LED boards to these new games, there should be an adjustment to set the brightness/intensity to a desired level! Wait, is there an adjustment??

Too bad you don't have a nice Cyclone in there that I could relieve you of!

Looks decent, fairly reasonable price, but not very convenient... Thanks for the tip tho!

Hey gang, i'm going to be in the market for a Cyclone very soon... I have 2 options i'm looking for.
1, a super nice game with a clean cabinet, ZERO (or nearly zero) playfield wear, no damaged or missing ramps or plastics. Basically minty original, HUO or completely restored.
2, Super nice cabinet (maybe only needing minor paint touchup), no damaged or missing ramps or plastics, but a thrashed playfield so I can do my first PF swap.

In either case, the game must be playable, the mystery wheel must work properly and have a minty translite. I dont care about rubbers, lights or displays, they will be replaced anyway. And I dont care if it needs to be shopped, it will get a full teardown shop out whether it needs it or not.

So, if you have a game that fits either bill, and you're looking to sell, please PM me! Thanks!

Diner!? details?

Having trouble making sense of some of that post^^^ Are you selling an Addams Family for $1400? I'll take it!

I thought AYCE was the place with the helpful hardware man?

There one at Captain's this saturday... Looks decent.

Saw this... https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/az-whats-fsft/page/5#post-3457455

Have you seen this? Doubt you could find a nicer one...

Machine - For Sale

Dirty Harry (Williams, 1995) Archived

Fully shopped/refurbished - “Dirty Harry Pinball Machine - Williams 1995 Only 4248 produced. 4 Players - 3 Flippers - 4 Multiball Moving .44 Magnum on playfield is used to shoot targets, sinkhole, and ramp ...”

2016-12-05

Pacheco, CA

SLeRiC

3,999 (OBO)

Archived after: 51 days

Viewed: 727 times

Status: Didn't sell to Pinsider

Yup, i'm toying with the idea of selling (or trading) to get a Diner, but I wouldn't consider myself "local" to SoCal.

There's a cancer in every hobby, and it seems that Fullerton, CA is the epicenter of the west coast.

I must say, the best selection of pins i've ever seen at Captain's! There's gonna be a lot of broke mofo's after everyone ridiculously overpays for all those pins! I certainly wont be one of those chumps!

Just come to Vegas, you can use mine.

In case you weren't aware, TOTAN is not a Superpin. Welcome and good luck finding your 2nd game, it shouldn't be a problem.

Anyone in CA that comes to Vegas often, interested in a helluva nice "like new" Star Wars Episode 1 and/or a Minty HUO Rollergames? Ideally i'd like to trade 2 for 1, for something on my wishlist, I am currently at my space limit, PLUS one game!
Please PM me if you'd like to discuss a deal.

I'd snatch up the F-14 in a heartbeat, but the timing sux... I have 2 machines I need to sell first, or trade for something I want.

A basically brand new SWE1, and possibly a minty HUO Rollergames. Need to either sell the SWE1, or trade both for 1 game from my wantlist or something of equal value.

Are you looking at something specific? or is a trade an option?

Thats a sweet deal actually, those things are retarded expensive! Still hard to justify even at that price unless you're gonna use it a ton.

Is it this one?

SOLD!

Machine - For Sale

FunHouse Archived

Used - shows wear but 100% working and clean - “Got this from a guy who kept it in his climate controlled garage for 18 years two years ago. Was routed early on, got a couple wear spots from the kickout (pictured) and got cover...”

2017-08-25

Susanville, CA

flippersticks

3,900

Archived after: 20 days

Viewed: 467 times

Status: Sold (amount private)

Contributed to Pinside

Mine...
lasvegas.craigslist.org link

ebay.com link: Williams Star Wars Episode 1 Pinball 2000 Machine

I'd kill for it, and the cash to buy it...

$1900 seems like a fair amount for you to pay someone to pick up this turd and drop it at the landfill for you!

Well, he has one fan I guess... It's your wallet that gets molested, and i'm sure you paid at least twice whatever you bought was worth.

MAN do I have a GREAT home and want this!! But alas, too far, too expensive (I assume) and I have no pins of similar value to trade...

I'd be all over this, but even though I have a helluva nice Whirlwind, I don't think you'd find it a fair swap. And I don't have a Jurassic Park to add. Too bad you didn't mentioned this 2 weeks ago, there was a JP available on CL here in Vegas that looked super nice, but apparently it was sold.

That guy was me once, I was an occasional lurker here for years, saw an ad for a machine I wanted, had to sign up to contact the seller.
Aside from "Ericpinballfan", who now owns that machine, I'm sure there's a handful of folks here who wish I was still a silent lurker!

Right up my alley... But way too pricey. NGG's go around that price all the time, without requiring the expense and shitload of labor hours to do a full restore first.

Dude, paying you less and getting less doesn't make the deal better! I'll just spend that money on new ramps somewhere else! There's plenty of hacks and dipshits out there who would do a full restore on a game and put crappy old "useable" ramps back in it, but I aint one of them! lol
You really should just do the restore yourself, and then sell it, and get that extra $500-$800 yourself for all your materials and work... But I guess if you thought that was worthwhile, you'd make the time to get it done...

Sounds like fun! I'm sure the level of insanity of the buyer would depend greatly on the insanity of the price you're asking!!

Wow, I got really excited looking at the pics! I would LOVE to take on a project like this, and were talking about a shitload of labor hours! One detail I couldnt help but notice, none of the pics included a playfield, backglass/translite or the cabinet?
As far as the NBA Fastbreak, I totally agree with your decision there, I would never forsake a complete working pin to provide generic donor parts!

Awesome! Best of luck finding a buyer, I sure hope it goes to someone that will actually build the game, to honor all the time and effort you put into acquiring all the parts!

I for one will never buy ANY used, 20+ year old pins for twice what it cost brand new, regardless of its condition... And if this means I will never acquire the last 4 games on my wishlist, so be it!! I wont be on the list of chumps who help drive up pin prices to the retarded level they are these days!
No offense or anything dude, just why you wont hear from me on this one. But good luck selling, there are still plenty of chumps around here with way more dollars than sense!!

I disagree, because IJ cost $3600 new, and your theory only works if you were buying a NIB IJ today... In fact this particular machine is NOT even mint, to even be worth anywhere near this price, it needs a full cab restore right off the bat! That's a ton of labor time, and anyone worth his salt knows you need to buy a new set of rails and guides to do it right, plus materials. So at the end of the day, with your investment, parts, materials & labor, you'll have upwards of 10 G's into this game... Which is flat out ridiculous! If you dig Superpins, go buy a Roadshow AND a Demo Man for 2/3 the price of this one game!

So you think that your 20-year-old used boat is now worth upwards of $100K, because that's what they cost new now?

I like this theory!! I have a '91 Ferrari 348ts in really nice condition, and it even has a few nice and holy-shit expensive upgrades! Ferrari's sell new now for $220K+, so I guess that makes mine worth that much too! Any takers? Eric?

Oh wait, used sell for half of new? Wouldn't that make this IJ worth $4K?? Ok fine... I'll take $110K for my Ferrari... Eric??

I am totally relaxed, this is a totally friendly debate. Your offer on my car totally proves my point, so thank you for that! There are a ton of stooopid priced pins out there lately that dont sell, so I hope this is an indicator that "pinflation" is on a downturn and prices eventually get back to consistent with worth! I believe that we, the members of Pinside, the experts in this field caused "pinflation", and we also have the collective power to reverse it by refusing to pay twice or more what pins are really worth.

Hmm, and yet the demand for $7-9K IJ's appears to be ZERO! 12,700+ units is the 6th highest produced pin in Williams entire history! So there's a HUGE supply!
Cant argue with your quality point tho...
The funniest thing about this topic is I have ZERO interest in an IJ for my collection! It aint even on my wish list! So, i'm done on this subject... --applause--

2nd that! I'd buy any pin from Shane that I was looking for. He is one of the last people left in the hobby (and probably THE last person in CA) with a realistic perspective on value... I just wait around for him to jump in and say he's selling another game on my wishlist! lol

PS. You're welcome on the Dirty Harry, I reluctantly had to pass on that one due to $ constraints at the time... It's a beaut!

Moving anything interesting out to make room, and funds?

No worries, I have no interest in the 2 titles you took... What did you bring that maybe I can hope comes up for sale one day??

Interesting... I'd love to get a look at those WH2O's, but as per usual, the shipping cost makes it not such a good deal, and my instincts scream that these are not the games you'd risk buying sight-unseen... I'm really desperate for a project!

Looking at those pics is like suffering through an entire SPCA commercial... The abuse, neglect, and physical condition breaks my heart... I wanna save em all! Unfortunately I wouldn't pay those prices for any of them.

Have since the day the thread started!, but thanks for the tip! My biggest problem is that i'm looking for a restoration project game on my wishlist, for my permanent collection. And pickins in and near Las Vegas are slim to none. On top of that, nowadays people seem to think that all conditions of a title are worth the same, whether its pristine, players or ready-for-the-dump condition. I'll probably just have to wait until the next recession for prices to get back to fair and reasonable.