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Official Ann Arbor MI pinball vfw show 2016 thread


By cfh

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#51 3 years ago

The Zaccaria Robot is ready for the show!

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#52 3 years ago

Bought tix and planning to be there all weekend. Best. Show. Ever.

Motor City Comic Con is the same weekend right down the road, as well as Marvin's. Lots to do.

#53 3 years ago

Just wanted to say that if you are a PLAYER, then this is the BEST show ever, PERIOD!

I have been to quite a few shows around the nation and none of them can even come close to the quality and diversity of games available at the VFW.

The ratio of people to players, technical staff on hand, and shear quality of games is astounding. I am really flabbergasted that this show is not completely sold out already and for the next 5 years.

If you like playing pinball and doing it cost effectively, then this show can't be topped.

Cheap show, cheap nearby lodging, easy fly in/out if you need that, plus lots of other things nearby to occupy your time.
If your family is not into pins then get a VRBO in Ann Arbor and leave them in the city while you play pinball at the VFW show.

If you go with a buddy then I suggest using your time by doing what we did last year. A heads up skins match. You switch back and forth selecting games to play. I think we got through 57 titles on Friday last year. I eneded up winning the match, first to 30 wins was out goal. It was a blast!

#54 3 years ago
Quoted from cfh:

The Zaccaria Robot is ready for the show!
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You're right Clay, I am ready for the show Hopefully the stars align and I actually make it there this year.

#55 3 years ago

Hoping for some games for sale again this year! If it all works out ill be looking for an em or 2....or 3

#56 3 years ago

Only 90 tickets left for Saturday. Get your ticket now for Saturday....

#57 3 years ago

I really can't believe this isn't sold out... I'm soo looking forward to it!

#58 3 years ago

This will be my first time, looking forward to it!

#59 3 years ago

i think in general people don't like buying tickets ahead. it requires planning and commitment. the ann arbor show is the only show to have limited tickets available, so it's a bit outside the norm. people aren't used to it. last year the show sold out on show saturday about the middle of April. So we're pretty much on par for that from what i can see.

Though i'm with ya, i can't believe more people don't partake in the affair. there was millions of dollars invested to make this show happen. Not many shows can say they invested that much, or anywhere near that much.

Another different thing is that most shows are terrible on their last day. since nearly every machine is not being removed (and there's an on site repair/parts facility), that means sunday has just as many machines to play as friday. last year we started with 250+ working machines, and ended sunday with 250+ working machines. i don't know any other show that could make that statement. With 300+ machines this year, we expect the same results. also what other shows can promote 300 unique (no dupicate) working games? Probably not too many, if any at all...

#60 3 years ago

Clay, your words are why your limited tickets haven't sold out. Stop comparing your show to others and telling us how much better it is than those.

We know you dislike all other shows for various reasons, and that's fine, but when you make anyone who enjoys those shows feel stupid for it, it doesn't make us want to buy tickets for your show.

For the record, we have certain things that we limit and they sold out. We have also invested millions of dollars into our show. Some people might even like the Midwest Gaming Classic better. You wouldn't. And that's okay.

Different strokes for different folks.

#61 3 years ago

I did not mention any show in particular. I'm just specifying what is different at the Ann Arbor show from other "normal" shows. Don't take it personally it wasn't directed at you. I've never even been to your show so I have no idea if yours is good or bad. It's subjective anyway, as most people know. What I like may not be what you like. But I see no harm in comparing and contrasting normal shows versus ours. There's reasons we do thing differently and I'm just stating the reasons.

A lot of shows I do find interesting though from financial perspectives. I do a lot of farmer math on stuff. For example expo gets about 5000 people with an average door spend of say $25. That's a lot of cake. Mgc gets 15k through the door (so I hear) at say $30 average per person. That's really big money and I understand why people can get sensitive when I do contrasts because they may feel it effects them financially. My personal opinion is that it makes no difference, people would still go to even the worse pinball show if it was close to them. And my opinions don't sway even local squirrels one way or another.

But we are a new show, so we need to be different, and demonstrate how we are different. As terry from pinball life says, "the vfw is probably the best place to play pinball in the world." We just need to spread that word and tell people why it's a good show.

#62 3 years ago

Went last year, going this year. Best show ever..

#63 3 years ago

For all those pinball and arcade fans/families traveling to Southern California around early January next year should really try and make it to Arcade Expo 3.0!!! With over 550 pinball machines and...

Bahahaha!
Sorry, just had to pull a Clay!
Have a good show guys.

#64 3 years ago

BLAST last year. But where did you put another fifty pins? Main building appeared full and annex nearly....

#65 3 years ago

I love the banning show! It is actually quite awesome one of my favs. They need more game repair help but they have all those Bally em titles you never see. Go john go!! I have dreams of owning a facility like that. Just wouldn't want the taxes....

John was very smart. He collected a lot of rare em titles when it was not fashionable to do so. I wish I was as foresightful as he was. You can see Gottlieb em titles nearly anywhere, in luring our show. But the Bally stuff from the 60s, it's pretty hard to fine. I've been working on this for our collection at the Ann Arbor show. But it's uphill battle to find the stuff that John already has.

#67 3 years ago

I want to thank clay for giving us all an opportunity to see and play his great collection. He doesn't have to do it and I'm grateful like I think we all should be. To play all the different machines was amazing and the staff was excellent. I know all shows are a lot of work and they are all good and if you don't have a good time then don't go back but don't bash it. Just think of all the hard work other people have done so u can enjoy our great hobby. Thx again clay and the entire staff.

#68 3 years ago
Quoted from cfh:

A lot of shows I do find interesting though from financial perspectives. I do a lot of farmer math on stuff. For example expo gets about 5000 people with an average door spend of say $25. That's a lot of cake. Mgc gets 15k through the door (so I hear) at say $30 average per person. That's really big money and I understand why people can get sensitive when I do contrasts because they may feel it effects them financially. My personal opinion is that it makes no difference, people would still go to even the worse pinball show if it was close to them. And my opinions don't sway even local squirrels one way or another.

I'm actually just trying to help you. You've never run a show like the Midwest Gaming Classic, but I'm more than happy to explain financials to anyone who wants to hear them. Because of that, a ton of people know our situation, and you come off like a jerk when you sit there saying that whatever you're saying is effecting my "financials".

I read your posts because I'm interested in every other show and wish them well. Your posts constantly disappoint me because it seems like you have something really unique but instead of building up the good you constantly feel the need to tear others down.

I like the Midwest Gaming Classic. If I didn't, there is basically no financial incentive for me to run it (believe it or not!) Pinball at the Zoo is great, I've been there. Pinball Expo is great, I've been there. Im sure yours is great too.

If you'd like to hear about where all the money for the MGC goes, I'd be happy to discuss it with you like anyone.

#69 3 years ago

This will be my fourth year going to MGC (third year bringing a game). This will also be the first year I'm going out to Clay's show.

To be fair, Clay didn't mention any other shows specifically because he didn't have to. The other shows I've been to suffer from the same fundamental problems: people bringing junky games (functionally, not just cosmetically) to get free admission, crowded game halls and long wait times, and the last day of the show being almost worthless due to people packing up early because the game bringers have long drives, jobs, families, etc. These problems vary in severity from one show to another, and I am not referring to any particular show.

The VFW show addresses all of these issues.

That being said, I always have a blast at MGC, and I look forward to it. It's the only show I've brought a game to, and that is a testament to the atmosphere and the people who run/attend MGC.

The back and forth that I've seen on this and other threads is a bit of a turn off though.

#70 3 years ago
Quoted from smokey_789:

BLAST last year. But where did you put another fifty pins? Main building appeared full and annex nearly....

Clay and the crew finished the garage into more pinball space!

#71 3 years ago
Quoted from floyd1977:

The VFW show addresses all of these issues.

I'm not saying they don't. I just hate how in Clay's posts, he always seems to be on the offensive about other shows. I'm trying to suggest a way to fix that. Here, let me give you an example:

Quoted from cfh:

Another different thing is that most shows are terrible on their last day. since nearly every machine is not being removed (and there's an on site repair/parts facility), that means sunday has just as many machines to play as friday. last year we started with 250+ working machines, and ended sunday with 250+ working machines. i don't know any other show that could make that statement. With 300+ machines this year, we expect the same results. also what other shows can promote 300 unique (no dupicate) working games? Probably not too many, if any at all...

Instead, say this:

Another great thing about the Ann Arbor show is that our Sunday is just as good as every other day! Since none of the machines need to move back Sunday night, we can spend our time maintaining them so the 300+ working games we start with remain the 300+ working games we end with!

Everything about that would be positive, and he wouldn't be making disparaging comments on other shows, which many people have picked up on.

I am not here saying that things at his show aren't open or that he is lying about them. I'm reading about another show and trying to point out a way that he could improve his pr to help his show. If he doesn't want to, that's fine.

I have been told by people that I greatly trust his show is awesome. Go there.

#72 3 years ago

They read pretty much the same to me just your version is giddy and a bit goofy

#73 3 years ago

The 1986 Zaccaria Zankor is ready for the Ann Arbor pinball show. Pretty rare game, five known in North America. Come play it!

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#74 3 years ago
Quoted from cfh:

They read pretty much the same to me just your version is giddy and a bit goofy

It doesn't insult anything else. I'd that makes it giddy and goofy, hell, I'll take it.

Seriously, if you try it, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by how people change their perception. As for preorders, I seriously talk with anyone who wants, if you'd like I have some tips about how preorders work best with us.... Email or call me in two weeks and a day (after mgc is over) and I'll share ideas.

I know this may be hard to believe, but the only reason I do the mgc is because of the love of gaming. Due to that, I'd rather share what I know so that more incredible things, including your show, can be huge successes and we can continue the love of pinball for many many events, whatever their ultimate goal.

If that's giddy or goofy, it's just me. Clay, your show and facilities are great! Just focus on that. Giddy and goofy sells tickets.

#75 3 years ago
Quoted from goatdan:

It doesn't insult anything else. I'd that makes it giddy and goofy, hell, I'll take it.
Seriously, if you try it, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by how people change their perception. As for preorders, I seriously talk with anyone who wants, if you'd like I have some tips about how preorders work best with us.... Email or call me in two weeks and a day (after mgc is over) and I'll share ideas.
I know this may be hard to believe, but the only reason I do the mgc is because of the love of gaming. Due to that, I'd rather share what I know so that more incredible things, including your show, can be huge successes and we can continue the love of pinball for many many events, whatever their ultimate goal.
If that's giddy or goofy, it's just me. Clay, your show and facilities are great! Just focus on that. Giddy and goofy sells tickets.

My take. I've met and talked to Clay a few times. I don't think he'd remember me but I found that he comes across as passionate, direct and opinionated. Let's all remember that the chip on his shoulder (if it's perceived that way) comes from incidents like the jagoff that posted the infamous PORNO PU**Y AND BEER ad on Craigslist that got his "Tilt Town" venue shut down. Clay also pulled his guides down after finding out that more people were stealing than paying for them. I'm sure the list goes on for him but those are two that come to my mind.

I was one of the early donors to the VFW and believe it or not still haven't made it over. Someday I will. It really is the best collection of machines around. Also, the Pinball Ninja website is excellent for guys like me who fix machines and I'm sure it's a lot of work for him.

We're also lucky for all the other shows that keep our hobby alive. I'm heavily involved with PATZ and want to check out MGC someday as well. I've heard good things!!

#76 3 years ago
Quoted from Underspin:

I was one of the early donors to the VFW and believe it or not still haven't made it over.

that reminds me, wasn't there some sort of perk for donors that helped get the roof done? Entry on an off night or something?

Clay, I will be there on the thursday before the show and want to cash that in

#77 3 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

that reminds me, wasn't there some sort of perk for donors that helped get the roof done? Entry on an off night or something?
Clay, I will be there on the thursday before the show and want to cash that in

Ha. Yeah I too was a roof donor. There might be a statute of limitations...that is unless we get up there and make repairs or something

#78 3 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

that reminds me, wasn't there some sort of perk for donors that helped get the roof done? Entry on an off night or something?
Clay, I will be there on the thursday before the show and want to cash that in

I donated at the level and got a T-Shirt and a private visit. Got the T-shirt when I went to the first show in 2014 but I never asked for a private visit. It was worth the $$ to help out.

#79 3 years ago
Quoted from DylanFan71:

I donated at the level and got a T-Shirt and a private visit. Got the T-shirt when I went to the first show in 2014 but I never asked for a private visit. It was worth the $$ to help out.

yeah, I supported just to support. I was just joking that I wanted my off day entry to be on the Thursday before the upcoming show (all though it would be sweet to drop in on Thursday night).

#80 3 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

yeah, I supported just to support. I was just joking that I wanted my off day entry to be on the Thursday before the upcoming show (all though it would be sweet to drop in on Thursday night).

I'm the same way. The thought of being there alone is the exact same feeling that I would get as a kid thinking of walking around Toy R Us after hours. I signed up for the tournament this year just to get the early access. I signed up last year but had to cancel at the last minute (dad's health). I'll look forward to you giving me a strike in the tourney!

#81 3 years ago
Quoted from DylanFan71:

I'll look forward to you giving me a strike in the tourney!

on most of those games it is a coin flip. I think last year I lost on one game by 20 points, lol.

The EM world championship is a super fun time!

#82 3 years ago

I remember hearing about the 20 point loss. That was quite the fun thing to talk about. Also weren't you the dude that rolled strikes and spares like four times? We are trying to figure out how to make strikes and spares harder so that you cannot repeat that! (Working on the flipper interrupt remote relay system now.)

#83 3 years ago
Quoted from Underspin:

...Let's all remember that the chip on his shoulder (if it's perceived that way) comes from incidents like the jagoff that posted the infamous PORNO PU**Y AND BEER ad on Craigslist that got his "Tilt Town" venue shut down. Clay also pulled his guides down after finding out that more people were stealing than paying for them. I'm sure the list goes on for him but those are two that come to my mind....
!

Yes, Clay is passionate and incredibly defensive in his opinions. He can be brash and offensive at times. I’m a regular at the VFW and have experienced the “Wrath of Clay” more than once. The last one was when I soldered in a new PIA chip on a board (and did a nice job by the way) rather than using a socket. Boy talk about having a shit hemorrhage!

He’s a lot like Tim Arnold in that he call’s ‘em as he sees ‘em with little or no sugar coating and not afraid to do it in writing. Is he a Saint? Nope. Has is pissed off people? Yep, some multiple times (including me). Does he have social graces when it comes to on line posts? Nope. Has he taken his lumps when he goes off the rails? Yep (most of the time).

And yes, his is proud/protective of all the stuff he’s done for the hobby over the years such as:

The TOP “Shaggy & Norm” videos
The original Clay’s on line guides
The TopCast pod casts
Multiple Expo seminars over the years
The Ninja Webzine (currently at 881 repairs)
The original SE Michigan EM Club (I’m a charter member)
Operating EM’s on location (Crazy Carl’s)
Starting up the “Tilt Town” and “Flipper City” clubs for Detroit area Pin heads
Ponying up a shit load of cash to create the current Ann Arbor VFW
His daily in home repair business. (OK he charges for this, but probably not enough)

That is just a boat load of time effort and money that went/goes into the pinball community. Basically Clay eats, sleeps and shits pinball. I’ve learned over the year to take 98.5% of his technical info as the truth and his social opinions as just that…opinions. If I got pissed off at everything Clay says that bothers me I’d be stroked out by now.

#84 3 years ago
Quoted from cfh:

Also weren't you the dude that rolled strikes and spares like four times? We are trying to figure out how to make strikes and spares harder so that you cannot repeat that! (Working on the flipper interrupt remote relay system now.)

lol, yup. Probably one of my best games of pinball EVER! I had rolled it 3 times and was heading towards rolling it the 4th and they asked me to just drain as my opponent had conceded. It was one of those times that the ball would just not drain and it all felt very fluid and natural. Whomever I was playing was nice enough to give me an abbreviated lesson on the game before we started. I think he began to regret it after I rolled it on ball one

#85 3 years ago
Quoted from cfh:

I remember hearing about the 20 point loss. That was quite the fun thing to talk about. Also weren't you the dude that rolled strikes and spares like four times? We are trying to figure out how to make strikes and spares harder so that you cannot repeat that! (Working on the flipper interrupt remote relay system now.)

I can PM you a few ideas Clay.

#86 3 years ago
Quoted from cfh:

We are trying to figure out how to make strikes and spares harder so that you cannot repeat that!

tighten the tilt, remove outlanes, have it tilt when it reaches 1 million

#87 3 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

tighten the tilt, remove outlanes, have it tilt when it reaches 1 million

or we could just disable the 'B' rollover so that you can't get the playfield multiplier

#88 3 years ago

More fun stuff getting ready for the show. JM and i worked on the 1982 Stern Iron Maiden making it a bit nicer (thanks for the help Jim.) here's some pics of her... Remember we have a nearly complete collection of classic Stern m200 games ready for the show too!

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#89 3 years ago

Another Zaccaria ready for the show. This is the 1985 Zaccaria Clown machine. Note it's not "killer clown" but just "eerie clown". I know some people are scared of clowns, don't be scared of this one... too much... ok maybe a little...

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#90 3 years ago

I believe I played a Zacc Clown at Papa once. What's the deal with the red bar across it? Some sorta ramp?

#91 3 years ago

Horizontal sliding card target... look closely.

#92 3 years ago

Damn. That little card blends right in. Thanks!

Very cool..

#93 3 years ago

CFH gets very upset when you attempt to manually move that sliding target and break the "bakery box" string that controls it......

#95 3 years ago
Quoted from nsduprr:

Clay is passionate and incredibly defensive in his opinions. He can be brash and offensive at times.

So Clay is the Donald Drumpf of Pinball --- "Let's Make Pinball Great Again!"

Quoted from MrBally:

CFH gets very upset when you attempt to manually move that sliding target and break the "bakery box" string that controls it......

Just tell him it was already broken and that you are trying to fix it. That's what I do!

#96 3 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

CFH gets very upset when you attempt to manually move that sliding target and break the "bakery box" string that controls it......

You have to apply a flame to the string before manually adjusting the target. I think it's in the manual, don't know the page.

#97 3 years ago

Bought tickets for Saturday and Sunday. Can't wait to play some of the rare titles added in the past year!

#98 3 years ago

This show can't come soon enough. Bringing gloves and a back brace this year. After three days on the floor the last couple years, I came home with very sore palms and a stiff back. Looking forward to all the new games and seeing old friends and acquaintances.

Happy to hear the EM Tourney sold out again this year! It was the most fun I had all weekend last year. Wish I could stay overnight and partake in midnight PinGolf.

#99 3 years ago
Quoted from dfsays:

This show can't come soon enough. Bringing gloves and a back brace this year.

but will your gloves look like thelaw's
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and will your hair look like thelaw's (aka eraserhead) as well?
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#100 3 years ago

I'll be there Friday for the tournament, and possibly Saturday for a bit.

Looking forward to all the new Zaccaria games!

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