Do we really need all this drama on a pinball website? That is exactly what some mean to create. I don't know man just seems silly to me. Some want to start drama and post in a fasion to do so. To me it's a pinballs website not vanity fair let's treat it as such..

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Troll by definition - One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument. So yes, not going with the flow could be seen as trolling. So not to be accused of trolling, make sure this bit is not true - intention of causing maximum disruption and argument. There is plenty of this in our forums.

Sure JFH, just try posting on RGP. You think Pinside has an agenda, wait til you deal with the open sourceness over there. Un-moderated 'Freedom of speech' works...until it doesn't.

Anyone can post just about anything on Pinside they want, as long as it's not openly offensive. As long as Robin and the mod squad here continues to try to improve, it'll work. I've gotten plenty of warnings, some seemed unfair, but I'd rather deal with this all day long than any alternative available.

The value some people put on their opinions is hilarious.

This should be the unwritten rule of pinside.....

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Rules are overrated.

Nice!

Rufus would approve!

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Humans generalize (and I'll do that here as well). Some of the most negative people here are doing it in hopes of seeing failure. They constantly bash trying to get the result they want. They bait and work towards irritating people that do have skin in the game, berating them until the point of frustration. That is their agenda, and a common factor of it is no skin in the game. Therefore it gets pointed out. And it is that simple.

If it actually was just pointing out faults as you seem to claim, it would be fine. But it always goes well beyond that.

And it isn't unwritten. Go read the rules of Pinside. It is the number one rule, and that is the one that is getting violated all the time. The harping, bashing and baiting are the issue, not the fact that someone doesn't own or ever plan to own a certain game. It's because they are being dicks.

The bottom line is you should get a life outside of pinball if you don't already have one. Hell it's a game and a hobby and nothing more. I like what I like and the next guy likes something else. That's his business and not mine. I just enjoy the hobby and don't worry about all the drama on here. I certainly don't get on here as much as before because I don't care for the negativity.

When I'm on here it's usually to look for discussion and to seek out opinions differing from mine to learn more about a game or style of play. That being said, I try to be careful what I post and the wording that I use because someone else may interpret it differently than I intended. I'm sure I've failed sometimes at being humorous but I hope others would overlook that first time and maybe even the second time.

I haven't met many on here who just post to stir the pot and rile everyone up. The only example that comes to mind was in the o-din thread and I let the guy go for four or five posts hoping he would quit or leave and then the mods did what was right. I was pleased with the way that went and I hope it works that well in the future.

For as long as Ive been in the hobby it has been filled with oneupmanship.

Somebody is always trying to be the coolest because they got a game or whatever cheaper/earlier or something.Or they have info nobody else has.(but can't say)

It seems to be amplified by the keyboard and display,rather than the face to face encounter.

I have differences of opinion with my local pinhead friends/people and it never turns into some of the bashing I see on here,or worse what was going on on RGP.People generally don't act that way in public or they would be in fights/confrontations all the time.

This is a public forum,act accordingly.

There should be no rules other than common courtesy and respect for ALL opinions.Whether you agree or not.

Sometimes its not what you say its how you say it. eg

1) I think paying X amount may be too much for Y machine.

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2) You are an idiot for paying X for that piece of sh*t Y machine.

Sorry but this rule is for pussies and misses the real point. Making a *valid* contrary opinion should always be allowed and accepted in a fair debate in any public forum including this one. The problem comes when people make statements that are not valid or are intellectually dishonest and do not back down from them. To put it in simple terms, here is my re-write of the #1 rule. I think it pretty much sums up the recent situation too:

"Don't act like a dickhead."

The more a person posts, I think the easier it is to fall into this trap because they often don't stop to filter or think about what they say. They also have more vested in their "opinions" because of the perception that the more someone posts, the more they must know. This is what is so awesome about LTG. I have read his posts for 15 years and though I don't always agree with him, I can't remember a single time in the thousands of posts he was a dickhead or intellectually dishonest. Personally I have been a dickhead in the past from time to time. At least I try to recognize when it happens and not do it again! It is ok to admit you are wrong once in a while and back down.

Big difference in posting a contradictory opinion versus an all troll mission constantly bashing!

Can we all be done with posting that you are draining a thread or putting someone on ignore. Seems quite douchey to me......

I'm putting you on ignore, then draining this thread.

I just don't see why anybody would waste time giving a negative opinion of a machine they have no vested interest in, nor interest in, period.

No it's mostly if the person agrees with me it's ok, if the person disagrees he's a troll regardless off the truth.

The fact they don't own it does not mean they have no experience with it. Or the fact they don't have unicorn vomit lighting on their games does not make their opinion invalid when someone post a pic of their game for people to comment on.

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about people shitting on people who are excited about a game they've ordered or pre-ordered. Quite a few miserable f**ks around here.

Right they disagree with you so you define that as "shitting all over it" maybe they disagree just as strongly as you agree. Maybe they just think you are white knighting. It's all about perspective.
Supposedly this is a discussion forum.

Wrong. Man, you are a ray of sunshine...

People disagree with me all the time. They just don't have to be a douchebag about it. Maybe you can't see the difference?

See it's prospective, I am a fun happy person, but I'm disagreeing with you and you think I'm just bringing things down. You strongly feel one way,I don't. Therefore you now want to call me a sarcastic "Ray of sunshine". You've gone and made it personal, sort of the exact troll tactics you seem to be against. But from your viewpoint you didn't do that. nothing I've said is attacking or aimed at anyone in particular. It's been pretty even headed and said it depends on the viewpoint of the reader.

I wonder if this issue first came from the jpop thread. I was reading some new posts in the jpop thread and decided to look back at the beginning of the thread. Everyone was excited for the game, posting pics of art, saying they just bought the preorder. Then about 5, 6 pages in there were a couple of people starting to question the progress of the games and others were telling them to go back to their sterns "they're waiting for genius. I wonder if the defensiveness started there and has carried over to today, even though really it's not needed.

On a side note, that thread is a sad but fascinating read. Amazing to see people's reactions in real time. The advantages of today.

beelezeboob you are spot on 100% right. I am entitled to call someone fat and ugly. Yes its my opinion and my right to do so. Is it right to do so? Absolutely not. Its exactly the same as shitting on someone's new purchase that they are excited and proud of. You can do it yes but comes across as "miserable f**ks". I think if we post as if we are speaking face to face with someone, the posts would be toned down a bit.

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The number one unwritten rule of Pinside is obviously don't talk about the number one unwritten rule of Pinside.

I upvoted this post, because it was written in a different tone than a lot of your other posts are. Those come across in a really negative tone, and that's what I'm talking about. You'll notice I never even downvoted any of your other posts because I respect your opinion.

It's all good, brother. We'll agree to disagree. But just remember: Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

I sort of agree with this but in a slightly different version. entitled too, absolutely. Right to do so, yes. Is it polite or nice to, absolutely not.

Exactly, that's the point.

Good morning, I think that it's sad that this pinside forums seem to have people that go to threads to be negative. That's not very helpful or nice. I think that it's odd that this is set up for kids. I always thought this was an adult forum.

Okay. So you don't have a sense of humor. You must have missed the laughing emoticon. Now I get it.

I thought the number one unwritten rule of Pinside was not to bring up politics.

what you might consider negative,someone else see as positive ..if I point out for example kevin k had no factory or clear manufacturing plan some people call me a hater or I did not have skin in the game..other people might think about and question their decision to purchase a game after this helpful info

Users of this site are some of the biggest one-uppers on the web. They try so desperately to prove their position in the pinball hierarchy that it becomes an obsession. They try so hard to prove they know things about pinball that you don't that it becomes the foundation of their online identity. So, when these people encounter a point to which they have no counterpoint, they lash out. So rather than admitting that it was stupid of them to spend 6.5k on a machine that they'd never played from a company that has never manufactured a single machine, they overcompensate by viciously calling people who point out such obvious truths as "trolls". And they put up a wall telling people they shouldn't be allowed to express their opinion unless they made the same poor decision as them.

I wholeheartedly admit to being an idiot. So I'm good.

Nope! This is a written rule.

This thread is an unnecessary exercise in futility.

I think all view points are informative when I'm making a decession. I have purchased 2 of the biggest negative and positive games. I find it all helpful to hear the good and bad. My post was more about being on a fun thread and someone was being negative . They should not post in my opinion and then act like the police, and get someone kicked off for pictures. I guess there's a lot of kids on this site who are getting 9k games with there chore money. My mistake. I was just trying something new, besides just reading. Maybe I need the secret hand shake to get into the club.

no handshake needed..just a turtle card.lolDSC00437.JPGDSC00438.JPG

Thank you for the answer sheet open book tests are the best!

I thought for a second that was Kaneda's club.