Quoted from ccotenj:i agree... do whatever you want physically to the machine while the ball is in play... but once the defenses of the machine have defeated the player, that's it, your ball should always be considered "gone"...
they don't even have a place in casual pinball...
What? There's nothing I enjoy more than meeting up with some friends to play a location game for fun. When we do this, the only unwritten rule is to not damage the game. Bang backs, death saves, slide saves and even kick saves are all in play. You take what the game will give you without damaging the game. The one with the highest score at the end 'wins'.
When you see these things done by really good players, it's extremely impressive. You don't think 'That guy is cheating!', you think 'Damb, I want to learn how to do that!'. I'll do an occasional death save, but I'm not good at them, so I need a loose tilt to do one successfully. If you play on location regularly, you have to be able to do a slide save and occasional death save if you want to get your initials up anywhere.