The disease here is the warranty periods are short and puts too much discretion in the power of the manufacturer. I'm not sure I see the cure as being the law you cite. This is a discussion thread - if I'm missing something please feel free to walk me through it.

I have a license to practice law so I do not consider myself ignorant to it at all.

I believe you are looking past the fact that the law you cite may not be relevant to the point you are trying to make.

This is a dangerous broad statement which is not providing accurate information or accurate context. Consumer law in every one of our 50 states is different. I don't know the laws of each state and I will not pretend to (I am only licensed in once state) but to imply that "courts" believe a warranty for all products is 4 years is (to my knowledge) not true or is otherwise completely taken out of context. Think about that logically - you mean to imply that every manufacturer has to warranty a product for 4 years just because a few "courts" have said so? Any minimum warranty requirement would have to be a specific law enacted by a state - so the court would be citing a law. Many European countries have strict consumer laws which may contain certain of these rights but I have not heard of the same in the United States.

If for some reason you have a citation to a case in a specific state which gives consumers a minimum 4 year warranty regardless of the manufacturer's disclosed warranty please feel free to cite it. It would be great information for a Pinsider to have (in that specific state). Game changer for sure. I can't say for certain this does not exist but before you imply it does I think you should at least specify the state or case so we could verify whether it applies or not.

I always welcome a civil discussion and I DO NOT know everything so when people have knowledge they want to share that is what these forums are for. However it isn't productive to call me and others corporate worshipers and other names. Use facts to prove your point not name calling.

I'm sorry if I somehow upset you in my responses. You made a bunch of statements and claims and I was just hoping you could explain them to me because I felt I was missing something. Then you proceeded to say things like courts interpret a reasonable warranty as 4 years (as if to imply that the courts will warranty our pinball machines for 4 years when pushed regardless of what the Stern / JJP warranty says). I found this to be great information (if accurate). I just wanted to understand where the information comes from.

When pushed to explain you went back to simply saying "All that matters is the law". I agree. You just weren't explaining how the law applies to any of us getting a warranty beyond the manufacturers warranty.

Am I the only one missing something here? If your point is we can use Magnuson-Moss to get an extended warranty I welcome you walking us through that as it would be great information for everyone here.

This is not an attack on you (though by your reaction I think you may see it as one). I just want to understand how this law benefits us and/or how the manufacturer's warranties may be deemed extended in certain circumstances under the law.

I'm not claiming to be right. I'm simply asking for any backup to what you are saying or implying in your posts. If that is the "Pinside way" then I'm proud to be on Pinside.