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No rainbow puke club! (Post pics of worst color gi fails)

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    #1282 6 years ago

    Grown ass men getting upset with each other about whether or not their toys should have LOTS of colors or LOTS AND LOTS of colors.

    Sometimes there arent enough lolz Forrest.

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    #1301 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    Stop. Moralizing. And. Pontificating. To. Other. Adults. Over. Nothing.

    Thats LITERALLY what this thread is lol.

    #1308 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    There is a time for being polite and a time for being honest.
    A thread titled "No rainbow puke club! (Post pics of worst color gi fails)" is going to have honesty in it.
    Too much for your fancy perhaps? There is a cure for that problem.

    I completely agree. Because honestly, watching middle aged men cry about light bulbs is comedy gold!

    #1311 6 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Ha here we have the standard internet middle age man crying aboot the middle age men crying aboot something.

    Dont confuse pointing and laughing with crying...This thread is popcorn worthy!

    #1314 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    Okay, guy, we get the idea after it's been carped and carped and carped a hundred times.
    Anyone who makes a negative comment about a game glowing bright purple is a bad person.
    Except you. When you drop by to troll this thread and criticize people, it's because you're a beautiful person with a wonderfully full life.
    Thanks for that help.

    Criticize? Oh no friend, you've gotten it all wrong. You're bringing laughter to dozens, maybe hundreds of pinheads! I applaud all of you for your honesty and bravery!

    #1321 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    There's no bravery involved in writing anything anonymously on the internet. You might make a note of that.
    There is dislike for clown puke being expressed in this thread, mostly because it's genuinely awful.
    Which has caused some people to become offended and troll the thread. Such as you.
    That's what happens when people get used to getting a trophy for being in 11th place.
    A little honest feedback is seen as a stinging slap to the face.
    You are the second or third guy who tried to convince me that you're busting a gut with laughter over this thread.
    I guess that's supposed to be some sort of mighty burn. It would be if I was a 12 year old girl.

    I'm sorry you've been triggered by lights AND people pointing at you.

    Deep breaths and safe space my man.

    FWIW, the LEDs in this thread are horrific. Not a fan.

    Here you go...

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    #1337 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    I don't think that's a good idea.
    I think the hobby of pin collecting would benefit if the subject of color bombing had less politeness and more honest discussion.
    This thread is a good thing, people can view the pictures and decide for themselves if they think color bombing is good or evil.
    But to attack people, especially in person, is a bad tactic. An argument based on malice is never persuasive, and it's counter productive.

    Wait...Are you actually trying to change peoples opinions on whether they should like LEDS in their pins or not?

    I totally misunderstood. I thought the thread was just for a good laugh (for a multitude of reasons its turning out).

    Anyway, good luck with it. I'm going to go start an honest thread about why brussel sprouts taste bad (even if they taste good to someone else they're clearly wrong).

    #1344 6 years ago
    Quoted from Taxman:

    too many snowflakes these days.

    +1 Billion

    Everything triggers people these days.

    #1354 6 years ago

    So you AREN'T trying to change peoples minds. That makes more sense. Sorry if I misunderstood.

    Here, this should make you feel better...

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    #1376 6 years ago

    I'll tag on a bit extra to my offer if a pin already has its GI upgrade to warm white LED's. Backbox is easy to upgrade to LED's.

    #1379 6 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    I'll tag on a little extra if a game already has it's GI upgraded to NOS GE 44s.

    Lowers the value IMO. It takes a lot of time and effort to put it back right, and as mentioned before quad core ultra bright color changers are getting harder to come by.

    #1408 6 years ago

    RIDICULOUS!

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    #1422 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    Well, that is the source of the contentiousness in this thread.
    Offended bewilderment that anyone would dare to stoop so impossibly low as to criticize a purple glowing pinball game.
    (Someone's artistic lifes work!)

    You literally seem like the only person hyperventilating from being offended here. Cmon man, light-(get it?)-en up!

    Take some deep breaths. Have fun and post some pics.

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    #1437 6 years ago

    HORRENDOUS!!!

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    #1440 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    even with full room lighting, trying to wash out the shitshow. it still looks like complete ass. That's how bad those LED's are. You practically have the sun shining on there and still looks horrible.

    +1000

    guy had about 1/2 his lights on AND blacklights going. crazy. I told him all the cool kids play in the pure darkness.

    I told him I would buy it if he took off $600 for my LED extraction efforts.

    To be fair to him, I'm incredibly old and grouchy.

    #1443 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    $600 reduction in price is completely fair. Because you are going to have go and buy all white LED's to replace those. Probably 75-90 GI's in that game by the time your done including backbox. If you get 2smb's. I believe those are .80 each (give or take). Plus the time to have to take them all off, if the GI's are ground braid, then you have to pull all the ramps and everything. at least 8-14 hours worth of work, because if you have everything off, might as well clean it while you are at it.

    Exactly!!!

    Luckily rite aid now sells leds so shipping isn’t an issue.

    You’re a little off. T2 has 492 GI’s. I checked the black and white manual today.

    #1454 6 years ago

    RIDONKULOUS!!!!

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    #1457 6 years ago
    Quoted from Jtm3:

    I threw up a little in my mouth when I saw that AC DC...

    +1

    I can barely look at the pros

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    #1476 6 years ago
    Quoted from PoMC:

    There is a MAN FAIRY on the translite. He is literally a fairy. STFU and go lecture people somewhere else. I'll say what I want and what I think, mom.

    Put your red baseball hat back on and go outside. You’re in a time out.

    #1480 6 years ago
    Quoted from Travish:

    I don't know what it is about this thread but it can go sideways so quick then right back to normal just as fast.

    You saying this thread is bi?!??!?

    #1502 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    How can you be mad at someone

    Nobody is mad at you.

    Most just seem amused at how much light-bulbs are triggering a grown man.

    -2
    #1513 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    Then everyone could express their scorn for me without this pesky anonymity to water down their message.
    I'm sure everyone would step right up to the plate, their eyes red with LED burn and their moobs jiggling with indignation.

    Your obsessive triggering over light bulbs is simply funny. No scorn or hate in saying that. You make me (and others) giggle.

    I'd gladly say that to you in person. Why wouldn't I? Would you physically attack someone for saying that you bring a smile to the faces of many? Seems like misplaced hostility.

    The person throwing the most anonymous venom into the ether is staring back at you in the mirror.

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    #1518 6 years ago
    Quoted from wayout440:

    I find the venomous disgust funny, meanwhile the pukers are laughing all the way to the bank.

    Thats all I'm saying.

    Some people here REALLY hate reality.

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    #1519 6 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    Maybe, just like, go away. Everybody would be better for that. All you do is troll, which is against the Pinside TOS anyway. If people were actually crying, you would be reported, but honestly, you're just annoying.
    And the only people that cried to mods were purpers. Imagine that. And you want to accuse people of being overly sensitive.

    Yawn.

    The entire thread is a giant troll.

    #1523 6 years ago
    Quoted from Taxman:

    Even saving one makes this thread worth it.

    For the cost of a cup of coffee a day...

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    #1529 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    First you were laughing, now you're yawning. That's neato.
    This isn't a troll thread. It's long overdue.
    The clown puking of a pinball game completely changes the look of the game.
    Anything that makes such a huge difference in appearance is bound to be disliked by a certain percentage of the collecting community.
    Why is that idea so impossible for people to accept?
    Why do you care so much?
    Why are you even in this thread attacking people?

    Less crying and more pictures please. We get that you're perpetually triggered. Move on.

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    #1530 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    "Would you physically attack someone for saying that you bring a smile to the faces of many?"
    pedalling backwards is great for the lower quads

    your honor witness non responsive.

    -7
    #1565 6 years ago
    Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

    Bless me father for I have sinned.

    Careful. Some of the commies here dont want you to make your own choices when it comes to private property.

    Youve been warned!

    (btw, that lower PF looks awful).

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    #1572 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    It's just to make you aware how shitty stuff like this looks.

    To YOU.

    If someone wants their game to be completely blue, have at it. Its their property.

    We can point and laugh in good fun but there are some here who think they are going to change peoples personal taste...And that, is pure awesomeness to witness.

    #1580 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    to the science, on how light reflects off of printed color and translucent color. How your retina, and how that image is portrayed. How it visually is picked up by the human eye. And all the art elements lost when using a single color vs white spectrum (which has all the colors)

    And broccoli is my daughters favorite food.

    I keep trying to tell her it tastes terrible.

    #1584 6 years ago
    Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

    If they think the bottom of their BSD looks good glowing f'ing blue, that's all that matters.

    Isnt that all that should matter? That the owner of a pin likes how it looks?

    #1587 6 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Nope.
    All that made Jeffery Dhamer happy was drilling into peoples skulls and pouring acid in to try to make a human sexual zombie; that doesn't make it ok.

    Yeah, using colored light bulbs in your own pin in your own home is totally equivalent to eating other humans lol.

    #1590 6 years ago
    Quoted from Taxman:

    Crack is popular also.
    If it is in your home and I have never been to your home then why am I looking at it and laughing?
    Oh, right, you put a picture on the internet and said things like "look what I did", "this is for sale" or "what do you think?".
    I told the truth. I am in the right thread, some of you are not.

    The addiction to false equivalencies in this thread are almost as comical as the poorly LED'd pins!

    #1594 6 years ago
    Quoted from Taxman:

    Why? Just because something is popular does not make it good.

    Never said it did. All I said was that if the owner of the pin likes it then thats all that matters.

    And then serial killers and crack were trotted out.

    As I've noted, theres hilarity all around in this thread, and not just in poorly LED'd pins lol.

    -4
    #1614 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    Some of you pro-puke guys are so... sensitive.
    I really respect that.

    Says the guy triggered by light bulbs frantically posting post after panicked post trying to convince people they shouldn't like something lol.

    -6
    #1622 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    don't try so hard

    Says the guy thats had a 3 dozen post tantrum about lightbulbs lol.

    #1624 6 years ago
    Quoted from Taxman:

    the defenders come in

    Has anyone really defended the hack jobs (plus bad lighting and camera work) of the pins posted here? I certainly haven't seen it. They are a complete mess and hilarious to see.

    Saying someone can do whatever they like with their own personal property is simply being true american patriot...It shouldnt be confused with a positive endorsement of the blurry messes we're seeing.

    #1626 6 years ago

    Ha! To be fair his looks the least of the worst!

    -1
    #1628 6 years ago
    Quoted from Taxman:

    I don't care how much turd you smear on your windshield.

    Kinda seems like you do.

    -1
    #1631 6 years ago
    Quoted from Taxman:

    Keep taking it out of context

    Like taking pics of pins with UV bulbs in a poorly lit room with a flip phone quality camera?

    All in good fun. Less fussing and more pics please!! I’ve submitted at least half a dozen to your loose ‘movement’!!

    #1633 6 years ago
    Quoted from Taxman:

    you defenders

    I find as much hilarity in poor leds as I do in the people triggered by them.

    As a freedom loving patriot I am a defender of the trigger-er and the trigger-e.

    USA! USA!

    #1639 6 years ago
    Quoted from Taxman:

    Another blind troll. We are not "triggered". We just see the latest fad as bad taste. Triggered applies to the snowflakes who cannot handle criticism. Mommy said everything they did should go on the fridge.

    That’s probably fair. There is more of a triggered authoritarian/socialist flair here than a triggered snowflake flair.

    Rep given.

    #1642 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    Why do you keep negatively commenting on other people people's motives? While congratulating yourself for being "patriotic."
    This is another logic fallacy called "strawman."
    Someone says, "Look how bad this game looks, I hate clown puke."
    The you write, "Oh, so you're saying that people can't do what they please with own property??!! You're such an authoritarian!!"
    You expand the other person's argument until it's absurd, then you point out the absurdity. That is not a valid argument.
    Show me in this thread where anyone said that people should not be allowed to puke up their games.
    This is a point and laugh thread. Long overdue.

    Tl/dr

    Lemme guess...

    Youre still complaining about what people do with their own pins and flailing wildly whilst trying to make your opinion sound ‘objective’?

    Relax francis. There’s plenty in this thread for all to lolz at.

    #1649 6 years ago
    Quoted from Colsond3:

    Yeah, this thread has become overly redundant. And if I have to hear about that red Atlantis translite one more time…talk about something getting beaten to death.
    I don't think this thread was intended to be an argument about bulbing a game one way or the other. It was about a bunch of guys that don't like colored LEDs on the playfield. Simple. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
    I've posted some of my own games, actually several that I've had in the past and even a few that I currently own in this thread. I take in the comments and couldn't be offended in the slightest, but I have still come back just to watch and not posting nowhere near as much. Some of the games look absolutely horrendous, and some don't look that bad in my opinion. But as for getting upset, I could really care less.
    Nobody in this thread is going to convince the other side one way or another. And some of the comments are impractical, and just to have to be taken with a grain of salt.
    For instance, if somebody came to my house to buy a game and tried knocking off a few hundred dollars because they didn't like my bulb selection, they would be leaving without the game if they weren't willing to pay my asking price. I'd be happy to knock off $20 so they can buy a box of incandescent bulbs. If they choose to leave without the game, that is their choice and they would have wasted their own time. Simple. As for the task of changing out the bulbs and some crying about the labor involved, we all work on games and we know that the labor is something that isn't reimbursable too often. We eat that time.
    I don't come in here to troll, I come in here because I agree with both sides of the argument. Some of these games look ridiculous. And if you've just got done bulbing a game, and you can't tell what that game is from 10 feet away, you didn't do something right.

    Another red blooded constitution loving patriot fighting for the rights of all Americans. Even those triggered by bulbs!!

    USA! USA!!

    -1
    #1653 6 years ago

    Look at how angry you are!! What a snowflake! Lemme guess your mommy told you you’re special and put all of your artwork on the fridge!!

    #1660 6 years ago

    Travesty.

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    #1699 6 years ago

    Man oh man. Watching clown pukers trigger you guys is hilarious but cmon! Less bitchin and more clickin! This is a pic thread!

    Check out this disaster I found!!! Find a safe space quickly!!!

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    #1713 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    And this guy is constantly explaining to people about how they should think and act.
    Over and over again.

    I can’t believe anyone would try to convince others that something looks good/bad. Crazy dude!

    Quoted from irobot:

    This guy's hobby is to write posts insisting that everyone is "triggered".
    It seems very important to him, he does it over and over again.

    Yet I still manage to actually stick to the point of the thread and post pics!

    Lighten up francis! Less whining/trolling and more pic’ing!

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    #1717 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    see, you don't really have to convince anyone of anything. The point is, people should be telling other people their real thoughts on things like this. People that keep telling these people that , "it looks good"...or "good job dude", when they really think it looks horrible. Helps nobody. If people actually said what they were thinking. and the person that did it, gets the, "dude, that looks terrible". 94% of the time. Eventually, he's going to think to himself. ...."hummm, maybe it really does look like shit?". Then they come to their senses and realize it isn't practical for gameplay, and does bleach out all the art.

    Pretty sneaky sis! Unfortunately no matter how many times I tell my kids that Brussels sprouts are delicious and that they are wrong to hate them, they haven’t come to their senses yet!

    Now back to pics!!!

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    #1721 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    my kid actually likes them. If you make them right, they will like them because they are actually sweet (White LED's). If you make them wrong they are bitter (Colored LED's in the GI's).

    Agreed! Unless you
    Doctor up those boring bland sprouts with some colorful and flavorful ingredients like butter (colored LEDS) and bacon (backbox led kits) the kids will never be convinced!

    Welp I’m convinced!

    Now, cmon slackers, back to pics!

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    #1725 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    Steamed fresh brussels are great. Nice and sweet, full of flavor. doesn't need anything. If they need some coaxing into it, use melted cheese over the top. If they have a good first experience, they would have liked them from the get go.
    It's kind of like a pinball machine. If someone hasn't played a game before, and the first game they ever play, has colored LED's so they can't see the ball. Flippers misaligned. Leveled off to one side. They are not going to have a good experience playing that game, and they will have a bad vibe from that game ever since. So that game is ruined for them until they play a good machine.
    People can be converted to give second chances on games, that are leveled correctly. White GI's so they can see the ball. Correctly aligned flippers, and rebuilt flippers for full power.

    interesting! My kids tried them that way the first time and now they are ruined on Brussels forever!! Guess humans just have different tastes sometimes.

    As for vision issues, i put bifocals in my pins cup holders for the...ahem...older folks.

    Cheers and thanks for all of the advice!

    Now, less cookin and more pic of disastrous pins!!

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    #1727 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    made right the first time. That would be amazing. I spent my whole life thinking brussel sprouts were supposed to be bitter, because nobody on the planet seemed to be able to make them correctly. No restaurants, family members or anyone. Wasn't until about 8 years ago with some experimenting, that I figured out they could taste good and be sweet. Must be genetic engineering. If they don't like them now, they will grow out of the phase and like them down the road. When practical outweighs the candy.

    Yeah but by then they’ll be old, ‘practical’, and telling other people what they should like!

    Now, more pics!!

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    #1731 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    But you think the brussel sprout thing is a good excuse. But you have more choices for healthy veggies besides brussel sprouts. Just like you do have options to do your GI's correctly. Lets examine this.
    Kids need to eat healthy things for dinner. Packed full of vitamins.
    Good choices are:
    Broccoli
    Brussels Sprouts
    Carrots
    Cauliflower
    Peas
    Green beans
    (equal to)
    Cool white LEDs
    Incandescents
    Warm White
    Sunlight/daylight (there are subtle differences between warm and sunlights. Warm has a more yellow hue)
    Things you should not have your kids eat for dinner
    Gummy bears
    Skittles
    Jolly rangers
    Salt Water taffy
    (equal to)
    Any colored LED's in a GI area
    Now......sure, you CAN have your kids eat candy for dinner. Is it a good idea? Absolutely not. Because they will get sick eventually, just like the people that have to play games with colored bulbs in the GI's. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it's not a dumb idea. And it's not about personal taste.

    Agreed. Old people should see optometrists.

    Taking care of oneself is important. Especially if lightbulbs make you sick.

    Thanks again!!!

    #1738 6 years ago
    Quoted from Taxman:

    I am not sure why you continue to pick on people because of their age.
    Yes I am older and the LEDs hurt my eyes. I do go to an optometrist and I do have prescription bi-focals. The focal range of these is not useful for Pinball and has nothing to do with light pain.
    It is a fact that blue light is implicated in the development of age-related macular degeneration. Not just aggravated by the light.
    Why is the fact that I experience actual pain funny to you?

    I’m glad you are taking care of yourself. I suggest staying out of clown pukers basements. For your eyes but also because clown pukers MAY be serial killers (so it’s been said).

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    #1766 6 years ago

    backpedaling is wonderful exercise lol! Now, cmon dudes, more pics!!!

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    #1768 6 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Haha this C dumspter over here

    jeez, you kiss your sister with that mouth lol?

    Now, less snowflakin and more picturin'!

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    #1794 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    I went to the Garcade in menomonee Falls, Wi. Half of the pins were done correctly with LED's. The other half were done clown puke. I don't know if they had different people shopping games there, but holy shit, what a difference. Someone did a road kings in all red. You couldn't see shit, and this was a fully lit arcade, and still couldn't see what the shit was going on. Waterworld, with the upper 60% of the playfield done in blue. Again, couldn't see shit. Not only that, but they did the backglass correctly, in all white LED's so the glare was terrible. For one, you shouldn't use 2smb's or ultrabrights in a backglass. And 2 , you should pull out at least 50-80% of the bulbs out of blackglass areas if you have light colors in the trans art. This cuts down on glare a ton, yet lights up the backbox just fine. even one of the EM's was clown puked. Hollywood heat was done in pink. Least you could see on that one, but made the playfield look sickly. Others were done correctly and we could see the ball and play them like you should.
    But they did have a good variety of pins, all of them played good. Just 4 or 5 of them you couldn't see good to play because of the colored LED's.
    Again................. Colored LED's don't just look shitty, they hinder the ability to play the game. Which is the main sole purpose of everyone here to own pinball machines. if it makes it impossible to play correctly, you need to stop doing it. Might as well say...flippers are ugly and games look better without flippers. So pull all the flippers out of your games. It's personal preference right? If he thinks it looks better, why not? Why criticize that person? he can do what he wants. People shouldn't tell him negative things. Should tell him things like..... "GREAT JOB"....and....."I never realized how much better games look without flippers". Right color clown lovers.....isnt' that how it's suppose to work?

    Holy cow, I haven’t seen a strawman like that since WOZ lol!!

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    #1805 6 years ago
    Quoted from tamoore:

    These people seem to be playing games with clown puke, and still having fun. WTF gives?????

    They need to get into this thread and be told (via repetitive 500 word posts) that what they are looking at and the fun they are having is simply incorrect!

    #1816 6 years ago
    Quoted from Manny10:

    Why so much hating ? Just LED the games as you like and enjoy the hobby ..

    Have you not read the dozens of duplicative manifestos/rants/posts/panic attacks? There is a right way and a wrong way to like things that you own! If you like it, chances are, you're wrong and you dont actually like it!

    #1835 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    I don't understand what the point is to any of this bickering.
    There's no convincing to be done on either side.
    Obviously, the vendors are selling LED kits and people are buying them. So clown puke is very popular. Which matters not. It's not an election.
    And.. there's no right or wrong answer. If you like your LOTR glowing bright red, then you like it. If you don't you don't.
    Changing the bulbs doesn't actually hurt the game, so it's a morally neutral act.
    From an objective standpoint, there are actual pros and cons to using LEDs.
    CONS:
    Because the games were designed for white incandescent bulbs, there are a few functional negatives to using LEDs.
    1. A colored light shining on a painted surface will wash out the painted surface, it turns the other colors grey and black. So the game gets monochromatic. This problem wasn't considered when the game artwork was originally created. If they had colored LEDs back in 1990, they would have made the artwork more LED friendly. As it is, you end up with the original artwork disappearing into a muddy purple haze.
    2. Similarly, because the games were mostly designed for white bulbs to be used as illumination, the bulb light spreads all over. So there is some clumsiness if you try to use bulbs for accent lighting, because the accent color bleeds everywhere. Like when colored bulbs are used in the translite and the color bleeds all over the artwork or turns into a circular blob that doesn't match the shape of the item being accented.
    3. Some games have variable lighting effects which don't work with LEDs.
    PROs:
    1. A situation where the LEDs can be exploited to good effect is a game that is under-illuminated, where the brighter bulb could be used here and there.
    2. Or for inserts, where the color of the bulb matches the insert color and the color bleed is controlled by the shape of the insert cutout in the playfield. Why not used a colored bulb to make some tired old insert look better? Within reason.
    The above are the practical aspects of using LEDs. The philosophical and aesthetic aspects are not subject to any logic, so there's no point in arguing.

    Massive progress here.

    Bravo!

    Rep given.

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    #1840 6 years ago
    Quoted from tamoore:

    "I think clown puked games look ridiculous". You need to argue the other side of what this thread is about, and not this straw man argument about freedom to do ridiculous things.

    Thats no more of an argument than "I like broccoli. Convince me why I'm wrong."

    #1846 6 years ago
    Quoted from tamoore:

    I like broccoli too. I can tell you the reasons why I like broccoli. I like the taste, and I like the texture. It can be prepared several different ways and give different flavor profiles depending on how it's cooked, and what it is cooked with.
    Can you explain why you like clown puked games?

    I dont like them.

    But I assume they'd say "I like games with lots of color. They look cool/fun to me."

    #1847 6 years ago
    Quoted from wayout440:

    I'm not arguing either side, because you can't argue an opinion.

    You can when it comes to LEDs apparently (and vegetables). There is a 'right' and 'wrong'.

    #1850 6 years ago
    Quoted from tamoore:

    The people on "the other side" of this argument aren't arguing that point. That's the disconnect.

    Just because someone started a post named: "No More Broccoli! Total food fail!" doesn't mean people who like broccoli need to start arguing why broccoli tastes good to them lol. I think thats the disconnect here.

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    #1927 6 years ago
    Quoted from Maken:

    Us dorks are advocating for proper lighting, making it easier for everyone (including new players) to see the ball and play the machine to the best of their abilities. What a bunch of dorks/old farts/teenagers/bigots/fascists we must be.
    You are in the wrong thread, guy.

    What brave warriors you are to stand up and tell others to stop liking things they like!

    May God bless you on the noblest of quests!

    Now, less bloviating and more picture taking!!!

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    #1930 6 years ago
    Quoted from Maken:

    Ahh the fascist response again, classic.
    Care to actually respond re: gameplay/playability? Or are you one of those guys who just stares at his pins?

    ROTFL. I don’t think fascism means what you think it does.

    As for gameplay, however people want to play their pins is cool with me. I’m not gonna try and dictate what people are allowed to like.

    But have at it brave and noble knight of the GI!

    Anyway, less soul savin and more picture takin!!

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    -4
    #1967 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    1945:
    Americans burn Japanese soldiers out of caves on Iwo Jima with flame throwers.
    2017:
    Americans retire to a safe space and complain about "hate speech" when they encounter a contradictory opinion.
    Boy, we sure did toughen up over the last 70 years.

    lol. Says the guy that LITERALLY created this thread as a safe space for the 'no led' snowflake crew. Classic.

    -4
    #1968 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    By all means, let's all stop arguing.
    The clown puke speaks for itself, doesn't it? So what's to argue about? Some people like day-glo pinball, and some don't.
    Just like when you're eating a sandwich made from pumpernickel bread, tuna fish, grape jelly and chocolate syrup.
    The sandwich EXPLODES WITH FLAVOR, but there exist certain people out there who would gag on it.
    Are they bad people? Is the guy eating the clown puke sandwich a bad person?

    man. that took forever but he's finally getting it. Everyone likes different things! Finally embracing eagles, freedom and 'Merica!!!

    Now...Can we get back to pics?!?!?!?!

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    #1980 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    You forgot to write "Can we get back to the pics?!?!?!" to disguise your purpose of being in this thread as an appeal to civility.

    No, that was me sarcastically comparing clown puke fans to someone who eats a sandwich made of tuna and chocolate and jelly.
    See, the clown puke fans love clown puke because it makes the games BURST with mega-light and circus-color.
    Because more brightness and color is always BETTER. Just like more sandwich flavors in a sandwich are always better.
    Why not make a sandwich from crushed jolly ranchers and swiss cheese and cake icing and top it with 1/2 inch layer of mustard? It will BURST with FLAVOR. And that's BETTER.
    And that's our goal in re-decorating our pins with LEDs. Why not make a cowboy glow purple and blue? It BURSTS with EXCITING COLOR. And that's BETTER.
    MORE flavor or color is ALWAYS BETTER, no matter what.

    Yawn. TL/DR

    Lemme guess "youre a meanie" and "something something people cant like what they like unless I approve!"

    close?

    2 weeks later
    #2121 6 years ago
    Quoted from RJW:

    I guess you've never seen something that looks awful and just bit your tongue instead of telling the owner what you really thought of it?
    Most people aren't going to come in your house and insult your poor taste in lighting.

    exactly. They do it anonymously online.

    #2162 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    and the new owner won't be able to see to play either. guys that try to defend this shit by saying they can see the ball are full of shit. The ONLY way you can see the ball is if...and only if. You play outside in the backyard on a bright sunny afternoon. Or .... You have a spot light, or service light behind you shining on the playfield while you play. or.... you have commercial grade florescent lighting above your machine, but setup so there magically isn't any glare.....or. You are playing in the dinning room right under your room lighting light.
    Basically, if you are playing with enough WHITE room lighthing, to overide the colorshit. Either way, you NEED white light to play the fawking game.

    lol. Not only are those pins worst case scenario, they are also LITERALLY sitting in the pitch black and the camera is blurry. Its all triggered nonsense anyway. In a correctly lit playing environment even space station green mode is easy to play.

    #2170 6 years ago
    Quoted from Maken:

    It's not just about being able to see a single ball in the middle of the playfield. You 'friends of pukers' ever play multiball? Lots going on, important to see it all, clearly and easily.

    You ‘friends of the color triggered’ ever play kiss? Demon multiball must create panic attacks.

    #2171 6 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    How bout the clusterfuck of colors on this thing.

    Ridiculous! That is NOT what the designers and programmers intended!!!

    #2181 6 years ago
    Quoted from Maken:

    Your guess is incorrect, I play all games, including pinbot, space station and WOZ. Seeing as you are so concerned about the games I play, I will let you know that I play at a competitive level, ranked in the top 400. You don't get there by never having played Pinbot. Congratulations on being so good at pinball that you just walk away. Man, you must clean up in A division!
    You won't see me complaining about games that were designed to have colour GI by the designers (nor is that the point of this thread, OP owns a Met Prem, but it was designed that way, not sure why the friends of pukers continue to attempt to be clever by posting pics of games with factory colour GI...), but I think it's important to consider that those decisions were made during the design phase by professionals, based on a number of factors. Factors that the average puker does not consider when puking out an EM that is already very short on GI, or a DMD game with many hidden feeds and/or a huge multiball. Space station is a very wide open game with few hidden feeds. WOZ is a modern game with much more thought and technology put into lighting than in days past.
    When you puke out a game that is already difficult to see because it has poor lighting and/or hidden feeds, you are making it more difficult to track balls while playing the game. Some games are affected more than others, arguing that because space station has a green GI mode, no other pinball machines ever made would suffer visibility issues from colour GI... that's a logical fallacy. You aren't proving anything but your own poor ability to make a valid argument. Similar to how none of the friends of pukers can rebut irobots posts.
    Think about something like CFTBL... it's already dark and difficult to see, now if you add green bulbs to the GI, it becomes a nightmare. (Yes, I have played CFTBL, btw)

    So if a game was meant to be a puked dark mess then its totally fine because 'professionals'.

    Point taken.

    #2184 6 years ago
    Quoted from Maken:

    Are you saying that you don't respect the knowledge and experience of those in the industry?
    Care to provide some examples? Care to rebut any of my points?
    Didn't think so.

    Your point is that its fine to not be able to see a game as long as it came that way.

    Thats not an 'argument'/'point' that I'm going to spend any time rebutting.

    #2186 6 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    Why did you come back? This thread was a million times more enjoyable while you were banned from it. Do you really need to come stir it up again? Go start a pro puke thread if you're so angsty about this one.

    I think most of the examples posted here are horrific. It just doesnt make me upset.

    #2188 6 years ago
    Quoted from Maken:

    Reading comprehension issue on your part.
    My point was that the knowledged experienced people in the industry are better equipped to make that decision, savvy?

    It seems like maybe folks are trying to justify their intellectual dishonesty on this subject.

    A puked game thats hard to see is a puked game thats hard to see IMO. Regardless of whether a 'professional' put in the colored bulb.

    I'm happy to agree to disagree with you.

    #2191 6 years ago
    Quoted from Maken:

    So all games are made the same, got it. No games are harder to see in certain areas than others. No eras have better lighting than others. No games have different amounts of balls than others. No games have more hidden feeds than others.
    There you have it, all pinball machines are the same! Designers are useless!
    Is there even an example of one single game that was released as a "puked dark mess"? You are just making things up.

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    #2213 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    As the biggest clown puke hater on pinside, I think the argument about play-ability of colored GI is irrelevant.
    If the guy wants to squint while he's playing or play with the overhead lights on, whatever, who cares? It's his game.
    The issue at hand here is personal taste in art.
    It's impossible to argue about taste in art. BUT you CAN have your own OPINION of what you like or don't like.
    Prior to this thread, a guy would take his pin and put random bulbs in the backbox and purple bulbs in the GI and then post up pictures on pinside and everyone would politely compliment the game.
    No matter how awful and brain-dead the game looked, everyone would politely golf clap like it was a big improvement.
    Finally there is this thread where a handful of people are saying that they think it looks horrible.
    The people who are saying it looks horrible are not doing it out of malice, they actually think that the games look horrible. That's not a big stretch, if you look at the pictures in this thread, you can see that the games do indeed look like pure crap.
    Some clown puke people are outraged that this thread exists and are trolling it under the smoke screen of arguing some thoughtful point.
    That's basically where we're at: some like the light bulb rainbow of random dumbness, some don't. Lots of hurty feel-feels over it.
    Personally, I really love pinball art and I think it's some of the most epic commercial art ever produced. My dislike of clown puke comes from my appreciation of pinball art.
    There's something really sad about washing away all that epicness behind a purple haze of dumbness.
    This translite is awesome, maybe it deserves better treatment than the colored bulb syndrome.

    Orrr.....

    Some people obsess over light bulbs in a pin, sitting in a basement, far far away while others just couldn't care less.

    NOTE: Your feels about dumbness, sadness, horribleness and hate, are noted. You're in a safe place now, its alright.

    #2214 6 years ago
    Quoted from Colsond3:

    Yeah, that looks horrible. You can barely see any of the artwork or the true color palette. And Frank is a colorful game. Mine with cool white and some added cool white spots.

    Since we are all in a safe place where opinions of all types are welcome...Let me be the first to say that dear lord, at least put warm whites in that beautiful game! Looks like the lighting inside of my refrigerator. (lets see how tolerant this crew really is to differing opinions)

    #2216 6 years ago
    Quoted from mbaumle:

    On a scale from the Titanic to 9/11, how terrible are these?

    Pictures courtesy of a person selling LED conversion kits on eBay. The real kicker is the warning that's posted in the listing. It reads: "Safety Warning: Super Bright Quad 4LED bulbs are exactly that, Super Bright, please do not look directly into the light without eye protection, or under playfield plastics, or behind the backglass."
    I agree. You shouldn't look directly at the lights under the plastics or behind the backglass.

    Hard to say without a single light on in that room but to get to catastrophic levels of lens flare they need more purple bulbs for sure.

    -4
    #2232 6 years ago
    Quoted from irobot:

    I like the way that the trolls to this thread declare that the thread is beneath them, as they fill up 45 pages with petty insults.
    And they insist that everyone else is "triggered" as they fill up 45 pages with petty insults.
    And they insist that everyone else is a hateful jerk as they fill up 45 pages with petty insults.
    And they insist that everyone else is a "basement dweller" as they fill up 45 pages with petty insults.
    Starting to see a pattern there?
    All because someone had the nerve to say that a pinball machine that's glowing bright purple looks bad.

    Yes. The pattern is you copy and past the same panicked 1500 word soliloqy about lightbulbs in peoples basements far far away lol.

    2000 words if someone has the nerve to say a game doesn’t look terrible.

    Get over it and post terrible pictures of pins lol.

    -8
    #2244 6 years ago
    Quoted from Mitch:

    There is a easy fix ban the 3 obvious trolls.
    Wayout440, who-dey and pinfactory2000.
    Instead of a founding member of the club MAKEN who stepped a little over the line because of constant trolling by these 3 who go in moderated.

    Lol. The entire thread is a trolling thread. People pointing and laughing at others and telling them they shouldn't like things they like.

    if a troll thread gets trolled then it shouldn't surprise or trigger anyone. Just enjoy it for what it is.

    #2250 6 years ago
    Quoted from Mitch:

    You wouldn't go into a twilight zone club thread and say how much you hate twilight zone.

    If they entire thread was filled with posts saying people should like TZ and are wrong if they dont you bet I would lol!

    #2252 6 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    So are you an antagonistic dick outside of Pinside as well, or just on Pinside? I don't know that either answer makes you look all that great, but it would be slightly better if it was just contained to here, I guess.

    I sometimes forget how serious pinball is for some people. Please accept my condolences.

    #2257 6 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    It's not serious. It's just 100% unnecessary to sit and troll threads. Just don't do it. Nobody gets upset, nobody has to get banned. Why act like the little brother doing the "I'm not touching you!" dance around his big brother? Eventually you're going to get slapped.

    I think poorly LED'd games are terrible. I've posted a few.

    I think trying to convince people that they shouldn't like things they like is hilarious and I like funny stuff. *shrug*

    #2262 6 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    ...and there's your "I didn't touch him, mom!" post. Grow up.

    eesh. Talk about a non sequitur...

    Or a way to escape having an actual discussion lol.

    -10
    #2279 6 years ago
    Quoted from mrossman5:

    Not sure how I feel about this one. What do you think? I found it on pinball bulbs. It really isn't that bright.

    Everything looks horrible in pitch black rooms. Including pins with refrigerator / cool white LEDs.

    That dr who next to it though...hmmmm

    1 year later
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    #4182 4 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    so it can be turned off? Thank god for that. I don't know who thought it was a good idea to include that an an option. Do they not read these threads?

    Yeah, they probably aren’t worried about 3 old dudes who have been having the same tantrum for 4 years LOL!

    ‘Muh eyes, muh eyes!!’

    LOL

    #4192 4 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    I'd be guessing you're older than many of the posters here. Unless you think purping your games out like a fucking newb keeps you young at heart.

    Ok boomer

    #4196 4 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Funny, back when I thought I was too young to be in Gen X, I never thought I'd end up being proud of it.

    Thank you for your service in Vietnam.

    Me? Nah. Hurty feet.

    But better than Cadillac’s in my eyes that make pinball hurty on them.

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