Quoted from CaptainNeo:

Do they not read these threads?

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

not at all. Most of us like to be able to actually see and play our games. There is only a small percentage that never play them and wipe them off with a diaper. Those are the color puke ones.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

not at all. Most of us like to be able to actually see and play our games. There is only a small percentage that never play them and wipe them off with a diaper. Those are the color puke ones.

Quoted from FatPanda:

I have, and it's annoying as all get out, to the point that I certainly won't put money into a game with colored GI or even press start on a game set to free play. It is objectively more difficult to see the ball with colored GI than with white (any shade).

Quoted from FatPanda:

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Quoted from FatPanda:

No disrespect, but it is a laughing GIF. In any case, I won't argue with you about being to see/not see the ball. I can't see the ball with colored GI, at least not nearly as well as with white.

Quoted from FatPanda:

I don't have an eye issue outside of "normal" eye issues (IE i'm near sighted)

Quoted from FatPanda:

Maybe there's something wrong with your eyes?

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

then it must be a wisconsin thing, because 100% had games like this that nobody could see anything. Actually I think it's a brain thing. If your IQ is lower than 100, you have the ability to follow the ball just fine with colored GI's.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

Sorry, but 97% of people actually enjoy being able to PLAY their machines. Nobody and I mean nobody can see shit in colored GI's. You just can't. If you claim you can see fine, then you are a liar. Anyone that puts colored LED's in the GI's has no concept of the science behind lighting or how the human eye interacts in monochromatic lighting.

Quoted from IdahoRealtor:

Often times the best way for people to learn what sucks is by others pointing it out to them. This thread is basically a community service.

Quoted from hAbO:

What do you think this whole thread is about then? If its not to make fun then its to to educate the newbs, boobs and misinformed at how GI should be implemented

Quoted from hAbO:

Your opinion is valid and its not wrong nor right. Its what you like or don't like. That being said its a 2 year old thread dedicated to over doing things with a bit of tongue and cheek humor. If you have a game(s) like the ones in the thread then you have to have a sense of humor or a little bit thicker of skin.

Quoted from IdahoRealtor:

Hate to break it to you but we don't live in some fantasy land where there's no good and bad, no right and wrong, and everything is simply a matter of opinion. There's all kinds of stuff that sucks. If all this site had to offer was feel-good praise it would suck, too.
Tell us with a straight face this car doesn't suck.
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Quoted from hAbO:

If you don't see something funny with that purple CV on the last page there is a problem. You're not going to change anyone's mind here with 16 posts and 23 downvotes and counting.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/no-rainbow-puke-club-post-pics-of-worst-color-gi-fails?tu=Rager170

Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

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Quoted from CaptainNeo:

if we were never forced to play games like this, it wouldn't be a problem. The problem is, that when this color fad gets out of control. These games show up in leagues and tournaments. And it's very difficult if not impossible to play a game with color GI's. The visible spectrum is more difficult to visualize the farther you get to the edges. So purples and reds are the most difficult to be able to see in that kind of lighting.
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Quoted from CaptainNeo:

actually there have been threads about how stupid some mods are. Even 12 years ago, RGP had discussions about how ridiculous mods were getting on TZ. If you do something crazy, like mount a candy bar somewhere in a game, like say BSD. And then show it to the public all proud. You are fishing for opinions. You should not get only positive responses. If you do something that sucks, you should be told so as well. Afterall you came to the public for opinions. Mods are opinionated. LED lighting is a science. There is a right and wrong way to do it.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

bullfucking shit they don't. It is proven that the human eye can not track or follow things well in monochromatic lighting. Unless your gameroom is lit up like walmart, you can't see shit. Most of us have gamerooms like the 80's. Where you drop a quarter on the ground and you can't see it. monochromatic GI's will make games TOTALLY unplayable in those conditions.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

have you not looked through this thread. If you have NO white light anywhere. You are screwed from playing the game. Plain and simple.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

bullshit again. The world doesn't need yes men everywhere. People will not better themselves if they only filter out the good. That is what trump wants with the media. He wants to filter out only the positive, so you never see or hear the negative. You really want that in the world? If you dont' want the chance of negative opinions, then keep it to yourself, and never show pics of it on the internet.

Quoted from hAbO:

Now you are just trolling. You cant be the butthurt over a few goofy comments about a lighting trend.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

again, that's not a world that will ever better itself.
as far as lighting goes. I've have seen first hand....on several occasions, where games had to be yanked out of tournaments and leagues, because they were unplayable due to color GI's. at least 10 people tried to play, and visibility was so bad, because they used all blue or all red or combo of both, that the game could not be played.....FACT! Most of our gamerooms are dark as shit. As you want a dark gameroom because overhead lights cause glare. that's why Arcades in the early 80's were pitch black. With only the games giving the light for the room.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

No, because we don't try to put square wheels on cars, and then show it to the world being proud that we were doing something different.

Quoted from hAbO:

If you are so apposed and offended by the thread then simply click on the trash can at the bottom of the page.

Quoted from Atari_Daze:

One thing I like about a free country, I can choose to read, watch or listen to people spouting their slant on things. Never did understand folks that get so offended at something on TV to take time and voice so loudly they did not like it.
Pretty sure there are more than 3 channels now.

Quoted from hAbO:

If this thread is wrong then I don't want to be right

Quoted from LesManley:

Too late...
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mod-removers-club-getting-rid-of-mods-one-machine-at-a-time

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

because visibility is 1000x's better than trying to play in a monochromatic purple spectrum.

Quoted from hAbO:

I guess being ejected from the thread for a day did not help you understand that you are trolling the thread.

Quoted from hAbO:

Bruh - your opinion is getting you in trouble.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

100% fact.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

except not being able to see and play because of monochromatic lighting isn't opinion. It's a science and proven fact. There is extensive tests and studies that show how the human eye can focus and track moving objects in various spectrum conditions. The farther to the edges you get, to the specturm, the more difficult it is for ALL humans to be able to follow and see. FACT.
Using monochromatic lighting to illuminate any kind of artwork. Mutes the entire color pallet, to that color only, and grayscale. Also FACT. You can see it. You don't need a video or a tutorial to show you that. Unless you are super slow. Then you may need a 30 min video pointing this out to you.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

absolutely. 100% true, that you cannot or have great difficulty seeing the ball. People that do this, usually don't play pinball that much, or play at any kind of tournament level. I have seen over and over, games removed from leagues and competition because of colored LED's in GI's reducing visibility so greatly, that NOBODY could play it.

Quoted from TheLaw:

Navysealgument?
Jesus.

Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

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Quoted from CaptainNeo:

there have been a ton of people complaining about WOZ and that you can't see shit on it. the GI's are too dim and the inserts are too bright. It's like trying to take a picture of someone, standing in front of a window at high noon. WOZ has terrible visibility in dark gamerooms.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

you do realize that night vision googles basically turns everthing into a black and white image right. So all color is gone from everything. This is exactly what putting monochromatic LEDs in your GI's does to your playfield art, and plastics and backglasses. Try playing pinball with night vision googles on, with the fuses pulled for all the lighting and see how well that works out for you. You will have just as difficult time, as you would if some asshole put purple, blue , green or red in your GI's.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

don't worry. WOZ isn't the only offender of some of the worst lighting in a modern game. Stern messed up really bad with Avengers as well. Game is super difficult to see anything on....why? oh...yeah. Colored LED's in the GI's. Who would have guessed.
Why do games like Atlantis and space station have 2 sets of GI's? One in white (while you are playing normally) and another in total red, and total green during multiball? one for effect, and 2, they know that you can't see shit in colored GI's, so it make your multiballs very short and more difficult to play. This is known from the manufacturers. Same reason, some multiballs like to strobe flashers in your eyes during multiballs. Because they know it's difficult to see.

Quoted from hAbO:

Cant see sh!t Captain
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Quoted from CaptainNeo:

everyone here, wants to UNSEE every game that's in this thread. Never to be seen or repeated ever again.

Quoted from tomdrum:

Sold a mostly restored Playboy. My buyer wanted pink LED's, I respectfully declined, owner's options. He fixed the warm white LED's I had in the GI.
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Quoted from snowy_owl:

why are you even on this thread?

Quoted from snowy_owl:

Beautiful colors? More like disgusting clownpuke randomly splattered all over the playfields and backglasses.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

it's beautiful colors if it's on your xmas tree. Now take a pinball and drop it down your tree and try to follow it in a dark room. Good luck with that. GI have a very very important function in a pinball machine. To make it so you can see. Colored LED's stop this function and greatly hinder it. The best example is like putting square wheels on a car. You might like how it looks, but now it doesn't really work anymore.

Quoted from FatPanda:

No it's not. I even do my Xmas tree in Cool white. Maybe...MAYBE...on your house for Xmas. I'll start a new thread this year. No XMAS Tree Rainbow Puke Club!

Quoted from PinballManiac40:

I think you like the downvotes you are getting in this thread.

Quoted from Ballsofsteel:

can you read any of these numbers Rager?
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Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Other than it shows you're trolling the thread.

Quoted from BillySastard:

You're

Quoted from hAbO:

Possibly. I tend to look at someone's reputation when trying to sell or sell here. It lets me know if that person "plays well with others" or if they are flakey.

Quoted from hAbO:

Your right. It has nothing to do with how interact with people when they think they are anonymous. Do what you do and carry on.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

but the topper doesn't effect gameplay. You can still play a game regardless on how much shit is piled on top of the head. Just like you can play a game regardless on what color the armor is, or ground effect lighting. But you cannot however. Play a game with all colored LEDs' without room lighting.

Quoted from hAbO:

Now you are really delusional. This is the only account I have ever had. Prove it.

Quoted from snowy_owl:

If you're in a thread clearly marked "no rainbow puke club" and you're telling us we're idiots to dislike color gi...that's trolling. This thread is for people who at least agree on one thing: color gi destroys playfield and backglass art, and reduces visibility by 200% If you don't like that, go ahead and start a club for people who do like rainbow puke, but leave us alone. You're littering this thread with your posts.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

no, no they don't. If you insist you can see the ball normal in a dark room with colored GI's, then you are a straight up liar.

Quoted from snowy_owl:

First, JJPs have interactive GI, which is very different from the constant color GI that some people put in their games. I'm okay with interactive GI, and I think most people on this thread agree. Second, how did that guy get that score on TWD? Well, some might call it luck. Miracles do happen.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

if you notice, the GI's are white most of the time. The red is used for effect or for modes where they are designed to make it so you can't see. Interactive LED's are doing either for temp effects, like to tell you, that you are entering a mode, or if they stay on during the entire mode, they are there to make it so you can't see, to make the mode or multiball harder. Like Atlantis condition red, or space station condition green. They are done intentionally, because the designers know, you can't see shit during this effect.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

not excuses, just facts. When you color puke, you don't have any facts to stand on. You cannot justify the hard cold fact, that you cannot see very well or be able to focus on the ball in color lighting conditions. Science can back that up on many levels. It's like science verses religion. Science can prove everything. religion..not so much. You are not going to be be able to win this argument, because facts and science prove otherwise.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

well it does. we had an F14 in league recently in blues and reds. NOBODY, and I mean nobody could see anything. Every single person said they cannot see good enough to play it. Nobody got over 200k. It was laughable how unplayable it was. I've seen it before at MGC as well. time and time again. Purple STTNGs, blue BSD's, Green LOTR's. every person turns away after ball 2 and says they can't see anything.

Quoted from koji:

Naw, we just like to play and appreciate pinball machines. It hurts both literally and figuratively to see what people are doing to them sometimes.
This is like a support group for people that feel this way. Of course, there's nothing we can do about it (your machine after all), but raise awareness for our cause.
Please think of this thread when you see some lighting choices that you feel are not appropriate, and come back to share and post...

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

not only does it make your machine unplayable. But it's a big fawk you to every single pinball artist, that created the art for your backboxes and playfields. You shit all over their creation. Total disregard.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

watch the video again. The GI's are white most of the time. This is no different than an AC/DC premium. yes the GI's change color for certain effects and modes, but stays white 90% of the time.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

that is true, as long as you don't have people over, take your game to shows, or try to sell it looking like that. Basically if it hides in your gameroom and nobody knows it exists. it's ok.

Quoted from koji:

EXACTLY.. THANK YOU. And this is the forum for those of us who think it is crap and find it offensive.

Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

And yet, you keep coming back for more. You aren't the first, and you definitely won't be the last to crusade against this thread. In the end, however, like all of those before you and all of those to come, you will not prevail. At some point, you may even be assimilated (as was I) - resistance is futile.

Quoted from snowy_owl:

Hey good news, seems that our trolling friend rager170 has finally got the hint to leave the thread! Just noticed. Calls for a bit of celebration, don't you think?

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

can't see shit at the party either. That's exactly how it looks to try and play those games.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

you should have a special show about you, since you apparently have super human visual powers.

Quoted from snowy_owl:

It appears I was wrong...he is still lurking here. Oh well, the peace was nice while it lasted.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

must be just you then, because nobody here could see shit in those conditions or conditions that are similar.

Quoted from hAbO:

Getting moderated and temporarily banned sort of helped. The learning curve is steep with some.

Quoted from hAbO:

If this was true then why are you constantly trolling this thread?

Quoted from hAbO:

You're right, getting thrown out and moderated several times isn't trolling, its teaching someone through attrition.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

Most don't play their games, or have them in gamerooms lit up like K-mart.

Quoted from snowy_owl:

The fact that you have your opinion (even though we all know it's wrong) isn't really the issue. The issue is that you're posting them on this thread. This topic isn't called "Color GI discussion thread", it's called "no rainbow puke club" If this was a discussion thread, your opinion would be fine, we'd be discussing it it. But it's not. If you're splattering your dumb opinion on a thread that is for people who agree on a common truth, you are, in fact, trolling. For instance, you wouldn't go into a club for a certain game without owning it, and saying to everyone on it, "Hey, you're wrong, this game actually sucks" People like you trolling threads is really what makes this site awful sometimes. If you want to go start a rainbow puke lover's thread, go ahead! That is fine with us! We won't troll it like you troll ours! Just let us be, please.

Quoted from snowy_owl:

I couldn't agree more. You've said them over enough. We get the point. We disagree. We know that people with properly functioning eyes (and brains) don't understand your viewpoints. Because they make no sense. Period. End of story. You can leave now.