Sorry but this is total BS. That is an imaginative rumor that people love to believe but it just isn't so. The few people who get real insider information, on certain titles, from different select manufacturers, are not organised or even be the same people.

There is no pinball Star Chamber or serious collector Bat Phone.

- Carry on Pinside.

Being rare is only one part of the reason why people want BBB. It is also very expensive and people want something for nothing...

That said, BBB has some of the very best artwork ever on a pinball machine along with fun music and wonderful, double entendre call outs. It's the only production, adult theme game ever made that I know of and I find it fun and funny. (The theme is an outer space singles bar. Big Bang, get it?

And despite what jealous people who never owned one say, it's damn fun to play with satisfying shots and action. (Not directed at you guyincognito)

Is it the greatest game ever? Hell no, not even close. But it holds it's own very well in a collection and I recommend it. (Hint: There is no greatest game ever)

To make my point (and brag I suppose). I just sold my Big Bang Bar 3 or 4 weeks ago after owning it NIB since 2007. If Planetary and Chicago Gaming remake BBB for $7 or 8K, I will almost certainly become a first time customer for them.

Just don't remake Dirty Harry. I paid $1500 for mine and I'd hate to take the hit.

I sold BBB for strategic reasons based on common sense and it has nothing to do with what you're speculating.

Because something seems obvious does not make it true. And this is one of my biggest issues concerning Pinside with all of its rumors and misinformation. These sorts of things are always based on the obvious.

Think logically about this alleged, Pinball Insider Cartel, and how they would operate and you will begin to understand. It's so easy to never question and simply believe in a conspiracy than it is to seek the truth.

Or, if you prefer, we are the elite, Trilateral Commission of pinball and your overlords, ruling from our secret society. - Send me $500 and I will reveal to you the next three games I'm going to sell.

Supreme Overlord 68, Council of Tri.

Playing 2 maybe 3 games, one time on a BBB or a KP at a noisy show, is an horribly inefficient way to develop an opinion. And that is the real circumstances for the typical show goer. And yet, expert opinions abound.

In all of my years in this hobby and the shows I've attended, I've never played KP.

You can add Magic Girl to this thought. Not even the 19 or so owners have much of an opinion.

It's campy adult humor with double entendres that go way above an over protected childs head. There is no profanity or anything in your face. I used to watch cartoons with my daughter that also had insider parental jokes. To each their own.

Reading everyone's thoughts has me re-thinking about buying any re-makes. I think I got caught up in the excitement of this announcement and lost my way. I'm really more interested in buying new, like Houdini or TNA or ....to be determined.

One thing you can say about these remakes is, they have helped keep market prices in check for the past few years. Can you imagine what the top tier used games would be selling for today without them?

Kinpin is being made by Circus Maximus alongside the Pinball Circus game but the announcement hasn't been officially made yet. Only fat cat insiders that secretly control the market have this knowledge. There is already a flood of KP's for sale.

A special prosecutor needs to be appointed and this pinball collusion must be rooted out.

How can only *Some* collectors cause a *flood* of sales on Pinside? A flood with such an impact, that it can be monitored to predict the future? Your words.

Look, I apologize for picking on you but you just happened to be the latest to walk into my gun sights on this issue. And other true believers have chimed in after you with comments or voted thumbs up/down. You are not alone as this ridiculous rumor has persisted on Pinside for years. Four or five years ago people made this very same claim after a perceived "Flood" of BBB went up for sale.

No, I'm not going to take that bet because I happen to believe that MB is the next title also. But I base my belief on common sense and not on inside information as I have been accused of in this thread with the recent sale of my BBB.

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That all said, it is my fevered hope that instead of MB they will announce Cactus Canyon as the next title. Oh man would I love that as I also sold my Cactus Canyon months ago and guys like Hilton will be jumping up and down accusing me of all sorts of conspiracies.

That's a bingo!

Other than a little snark (which you and I do) that is a pretty fair assessment and the point I have been trying to make. Nice!

Yeah, ummm. ...I'm not so sure how quickly this will happen or even if it will happen at all.
After thinking about this, I'm a bit skeptical. We'll see I guess.

I mean no disrespect to Stern Pinball or to Gary, but this is Gary Stern's opinion as it pertains to his company and his current methods and set up. Another company, perhaps a start up company might think differently or find another way. I'm not saying this likely but I am saying its plausible.

Agreed. I own both of those games and would sell them in exchange for NIB if priced well.

Yeah, I've been thinking it's going to be MB also but I now regret it. I mean, the only reason I was tending to believe that was because 90% of Pinside keeps telling me Monster Bash is next. Monster Bash is next! Monster Bash is next!

Now I hope it's any title other than MB just to shut up Rumor Control.

Or change it into a casino betting line thread.

MB 1-1
CC 2-1
TOM 10-1
BBB 20-1

Actually, I'm more confused than ever what the next game is going to be. I'm just glad I'm a spectator in this fiasco and none of those titles affect me.

I get what you're saying but if this theory were to be true, then why was AFM made before BBB or CC? Both of those games have traditionally sold for more than AFM.

I'm beginning to think that game choices at Chicago Gaming are being decided by beer and darts boards.

Umm, I had a buy back clause when I sold to you.... didn't I?

It will depend on how much the code is improved. They'll need to release a file description of any additions or improvements to see how it stacks up.

Should change thread title to: No More Speculation, We're Still Speculating.

That would be a game changer for me.

Lloyd saw his shadow and there were six more weeks of speculation.

I respectfully disagree and found BBB a very fun game with some of the best art and sounds ever. Very cool interactive toys too.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion of course, but I believe many people's expectations are set way too high before playing one. Because of the enormous price, most people cannot justify what they sell for and I believe that clouds their judgment concerning game play. Not accusing you or anyone but I also believe jealousy subconsciously plays a role in some people not liking it.

It's not the greatest game ever but easily a top 100 and most likely a top 50, IMO. If they remake it, it will be the only title of the remakes that I'm interested in.

This I absolutely do agree with.

It's a synthesized version of Golden Earring's "Twilight Zone"

Strong rumors are that Cactus Canyon is next but I would prefer Big Bang Bar. I sold my BBB and miss it.

Last I heard, they will not.

I'm out of the loop on this. Please explain.

As I recall, Circus Maximus worked out a deal with Planetary Pinball for the Kingpin trademark.

In regard to BBB, see attached picture with the announcement from Planetary Pinball.
Quote: "What I can tell you is that in the list of likely remakes are CC, MB, TOM, BBB"

It was that announcement 2+ years ago that launched this thread.

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It would seem that Planetary Pinball owns the Capcom rights. Here's a quote from Paul of Circus Maximus in the Kingpin thread:

I doubt it. More than 21,000 copies already in circulation.
And I know what you meant but technically it's CGC that is making the remakes, not PP.

Theater of Magic or Big Bang Bar for me.