Really hoping for kp,bbb, cc.all others ive owned or are available much cheaper than a remake.

Mb only remake I’m still interested in

SS is nice but turd game. It needs a big polished and tweaked code to make it right. This is the only way to justify the remade game range price

I love how all of those bowls have exactly the same contents, just colored differently

This thread title needs to be changed to "More Speculation: Planetary Pinball to Remake MB,TOM, and CC?"

Or change it into a casino betting line thread.

MB 1-1
CC 2-1
TOM 10-1
BBB 20-1

Lets toss in Big Foot as well. Rick owns those rights and since Big Foot doesn't exist , hey no licesne?

You still think its going to be MBr after that facebook post on the last page?

Actually, I'm more confused than ever what the next game is going to be. I'm just glad I'm a spectator in this fiasco and none of those titles affect me.

Ok this is all becoming clear here, you own BBB and you don’t want it to be remade... we get it!

I'm rooting for X's & O's.

I guess the other possible reading is that it might still be MB, but won’t be debuting at TPF?

Maybe they’re just messing with you...

Good marketing!

Or TPF could be saying that they agree....

RUMINT is really strong right now. 6 weeks from now and we'll know.

Yes, they are just trying to keep everyone guessing.

Facebook post isn't ready for production. What ever the next remake is, will be ready to roll after the TPF announcement.

LTG : )

To me, the games that cost more on the secondary market are most likely to be remade first. BBB, then CC , then MB, then TOM. The hardware and likely software similarities of MB to MM and AFM that might it more likely are probably offset by the licensing issues.

It won’t be long before we find out for sure!

Whatever they decide to make next, they should not publish a list. That would keep the prices of the originals up and make the knock-offs easier to sell.

I get what you're saying but if this theory were to be true, then why was AFM made before BBB or CC? Both of those games have traditionally sold for more than AFM.

I'm beginning to think that game choices at Chicago Gaming are being decided by beer and darts boards.

I agree and frankly, I think the secret shit is dumb. Tell us whats next so we an prepare for the release...

Id really like a AFMr now that I said that...

Da fuck? Oh....you have BBB and CC and MB......

The pattern is quite easy to spot.

The average collector wants to have what the consensus has, despite never ever playing the game.

Years ago these same games were shallow and sucked big time! So, what happened?!!

I'm glad that I had a discerning eye and was able to think for myself!

Waiting patiently for Monster the only game that i have interest in .

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BBB is really cool cause it's unique and rare, with a great story behind it. Remake a bunch and they aren't nearly as cool.

Same goes for MM.

Have a super high end restored or HUO MM?

Who gives a shit?

Have a MMr?

Big deal

For me, these remakes really suck the special out of these games from a collectabilty standpoint.

I loved AFM and had one for a long time before the remake. I'd like one again, but the desire just isn't there anymore. Why? Cause now it's like a run of mill Stern, and can be had any day of the week.

I've never really understood this argument. These are games that are meant to be played and enjoyed, unlike other collectibles like baseball cards where I would understand the rarity argument a little more. If a game is great, why wouldn't you want more people to have access to that game and be able to enjoy it? If you would like one again because it's a fun game with a theme you love, why does it matter how many of them there are?

I get that having a machine that no one else does would make you feel special, but is that the primary reason why you would want one? Enough so that even if you like the game you wouldn't buy one just because some shmo down the street has the same access to that game that you do?

If your argument is resale, I completely understand that having an expensive game devalued instantly when a remake is announced would suck. Most pinball machines retain a good amount of value though (look at what AF still goes for and there were a bazillion of those). Wouldn't you still be able to find buyers who prefer an original (although probably at a lower cost)?

My MM is still special! I made it that way. There are two people out there right now, ones that buy the remake, and the ones that are scarfing up all the originals for great prices. Who is the wiser? Time will tell. As for me, I'm both!

Have to agree with BubbaBeast's post above.
They're pinball machines, expensive games that were engineered to make money for operators. They are not investments. Pins age, they break, new selections come out, technology makes older units obsolete, parts are no longer available, technicians become harder to find. I could go on....
The arcades sadly went away, so it's only natural interest in games such as Cirqus Voltaire or Cactus Canyon waned.
Those same earlier fans are now in a position where nostalgia has kicked in and disposable income is present.
If rarity is your primary desire, I believe Monster Bash and Medieval Madness are not the right choice for you.
CGC/PPS are in a position to fill a gap in inventory where demand has resurfaced.
It is a good thing. The hobby grows, collectors have access to titles otherwise unavailable.
We get to play pins that are otherwise out of reach both by presence or by financial constraint.
PPS is wise in their business practice. Consider the number of threads and posts on this subject. That is certainly stirring up interest.
If they announce a schedule of machines and release dates, that would harm sales for current releases.

Umm, I had a buy back clause when I sold to you.... didn't I?

I agree and would add that the growing popularity of Barcades and Pinball on location in general has given them a demand to meet, I think nearly every barcade I've been in has an MMR in it.

I will have to figure out how to get these legs to unbolt from the floor..... I will let you know when I get that figured out.

I’m all for having as many remakes as the market will allow. Many of us are just getting into the “I can own a pinball at home” phase of our lives and are nostalgic for the games we remember playing when we grew up.

Although I feel bad that some of the owners of the original games might lose a little value, I feel this is far outweighed by the additional joy (and profits) produced by more people being able to experience these wonderful games.

I, for one, would much rather that my nieces and nephews got interested in pinball than sitting on the couch with an iPad in their face all day. To me, pinball machines provide challenge, competition, and a good opportunity to get together with others and have a good time. Pinball is an amazing confluence of art and engineering. A game will fail if either of these two aspects is ignored.

As a non-pro noob, I feel that theme is king in the pinball world. Dialed In is a better game than Star Wars (Stern), but I bet 100 times more Star Wars machines will sell over the life of the production simply due to the license. I feel a smart strategy in issuing remakes or new machines in general is to gauge what the consumer wants, rather than making the machine and trying to create a demand.

In my opinion, IJ, TOTAN, STTNG, TAF, and TZ move the needle for far more people than BBB, CC, or KP when you’re looking at the total numbers of pinball fans and not just at the “pro” pinball crowd. I bet any one of those 5 classics could easily sell 5,000 units if they were to be remade. If they could make these for around $7-8k, they could sell even more. Barcades are exploding in my area (NorCal) and will create even more demand.

TL:DR
Make good quality remakes and take my $$$ please.

100x? Uh, no. Dialed in is probably looking at 2000-4000 units, lifetime. Stern *may* get 2x the units out of Star Wars, but it's a pretty weak effort for such a great license, so I can't seen them even getting to 3x the units of Dialed In, let alone 100x.

If accurate that'd be a roaring success for DI. What percentage of Sterns sell 4,000 units, I wonder?

I think Dialed In will be a steady seller like WoZ. 2000 is pretty much a given now, and 4000 is possible - on an unlicensed title where the money is in the machine instead of the license.

On the one hand, yeah, JJP can manufacture the thing as long as they want and not have to worry about licensing complications, but on the other hand, it's a title that has to survive on its own cred among pinball fans, rather than riding on the natural marketing waves licensed games get. I mean, in a way, every Avengers movie and big Disney marketing push is basically free worldwide advertising for IM. Dialed In doesn't get that constant promotion and awareness boost; it has to survive on word of mouth alone, pretty much. it will be interesting to see the long-term effects of a modern unlicensed theme. I hope for the best, though, because I think it's a super fun game.

Is WOZ still being actively produced? I want to get in on DI but one at a time .. lol

Yep, you can still buy NIB, fresh off the line WOZ standard and RR versions. They were updated to the 2.0 LED system (same as Hobbit and I assume DI uses) last year in fact.

I see both sides of it. I'm happy that more people have access to the games, but at the same time, I agree with turbo - it just kind of takes the fun out of the "hunt".

Personally, I'd rather see them use their production abilities to make new titles.

This is honesty. We all just want long term play and enjoyment but value does play into it. Anyone that denies this is kidding himself. IMHO

Jack just re-upped the license last year for WoZ. He said he'll be making it "forever" and I don't disagree...

That is pretty amazing - I really wonder how many units they’ve sold by now.. bring back ECLE!!!

I like the remakes, but would prefer NEW titles. I think I heard Doug say they are working on a new title. Not sure when it will be announced.

Wizard Blocks

Have wondered the same thing, RR version is supposed to be limited to 1500 units and I have to think they are getting close to that number by now.

They have the ECLEs, then the Standards they made, and the RR WoZ.

+1

I’m probably wrong on the numbers, but the point still stands. Theoretically, Dialed In should sell more than Star Wars because it is simply a better game. If JJP made the Star Wars game at the same quality level as Dialed In, all else being equal, Star Wars would sell better every time.

I’ve been to multiple arcades, barcases, and private houses with pinball machines. In my, admittedly small sample size, I’ve seen Star Wars machines in almost every instance and only 1 instance of Dialed In.

Look at the top 100 pins. Most of the top machines are licensed or have some licensed elements to them. Does this mean the machines with licenses are always better? Not in my opinion, but I bet that a loved license adds to the perceived amazingness of some of these games.

I just feel like an unlicensed game, all else being equal, puts itself at a disadvantage to well-known themes and titles. If I was a company and trying to sell these games to consumers, a good license would seem to be essential.