No more speculation: Planetary Pinball to remake MB, BBB, TOM and CC

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No more speculation: Planetary Pinball to remake MB, BBB, TOM and CC


By jkashani

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#951 10 months ago

Go to pinballfanatic.com to see what he has in stock (about 13 games) - can get other games custom but about twice as much $. You can e-mail him (Brad) at gusbusgus@yahoo.com

I got 3 - here are the other 2.

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#952 10 months ago

$225 for a stool? Wow.

#953 10 months ago

I got mine on ebay from him for less than that.

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#954 10 months ago

Might be more than I’m willing to spend on a stool although they are sick.

#955 10 months ago

So now this is a stool topic...lol

#956 10 months ago

If someone could bring these to market at $99 there’s a lot of money to be made imo

#957 10 months ago
Quoted from extraballingtmc:

If someone could bring these to market at $99 there’s a lot of money to be made imo

Unless it costs you more than $99 to make.

LTG : )

#958 10 months ago

MB, IJ please!

#959 10 months ago

Picking up a AFMrLe in the next few weeks. Can someone please measure their box? Hoping to get it in the back of my vehicle.

#960 10 months ago
Quoted from Pinballer73:

Can someone please measure their box?

About 32 inches by 32 inches by 57 inches.

LTG : )

#961 10 months ago
Quoted from Pinballer73:

Picking up a AFMrLe in the next few weeks. Can someone please measure their box? Hoping to get it in the back of my vehicle.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/vehicles-that-a-pinball-machine-fits-in/page/17#post-4356896

#962 10 months ago

Thanks Gents, much appreciated.

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#963 8 months ago

What's the likelihood of seeing a TAF remake?

Seems to me it would make money hand over fist, the residual values are very high (if not appreciating) and it's a theme pretty much everyone has an affinity for.

I realise FarSight had issues with licensing Christopher Lloyd and the actor who played Pugsley, but apparently that was money related rather than a flat no.

Wouldn't they easily sell thousands of TAF remakes?

#964 8 months ago
Quoted from Durzel:

What's the likelihood of seeing a TAF remake?
Seems to me it would make money hand over fist, the residual values are very high (if not appreciating) and it's a theme pretty much everyone has an affinity for.
I realise FarSight had issues with licensing Christopher Lloyd and the actor who played Pugsley, but apparently that was money related rather than a flat no.
Wouldn't they easily sell thousands of TAF remakes?

TAF is always in huge demand here in Australia, and i assume it is the same in the rest of the world. They sell almost instantly when listed for sale so i would say that a remake would sell pretty well.

#965 8 months ago

It will take a miracle to get a TAF remake. Raul Julia’s family won’t license his image. No Gomez, no TAF...

#966 8 months ago
Quoted from Durzel:

What's the likelihood of seeing a TAF remake?
Seems to me it would make money hand over fist, the residual values are very high (if not appreciating) and it's a theme pretty much everyone has an affinity for.
I realise FarSight had issues with licensing Christopher Lloyd and the actor who played Pugsley, but apparently that was money related rather than a flat no.
Wouldn't they easily sell thousands of TAF remakes?

My opinion is that PP/CGC will take a look at how the remakes are selling, how many, and project the acceptable volume to remakes that can make those numbers. I think they've already been doing that, but if they can make say 1000 or 1500 machines be profitable, then they could take a look at some pins that they may have overlooked. I think if 1000-1500 is the sweet spot, TAF and IJ are possible remakes. They were probably overlooked in he past because of big original run number of machines made.

#967 8 months ago
Quoted from drsfmd:

It will take a miracle to get a TAF remake. Raul Julia’s family won’t license his image. No Gomez, no TAF...

They did for FarSight though?

#968 8 months ago
Quoted from Durzel:

They did for FarSight though?

CGC can remake TAF if they want to. This is no secret and has been mentioned by them publicly more than once. CGC are just unsure of the market as there were so many originals made and plenty are still around. If CGC remade a TAF we would buy one and I am sure there would be plenty more.

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#969 8 months ago

Thread title “No more speculation.”

Followed by 20 pages of speculation...

Man I love Pinside!

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#970 8 months ago
Quoted from MinusWorlds:

Thread title “No more speculation.”

OP forgot a comma... Should read: "No, more speculation"

#971 8 months ago

I’ve been holding my breath for a MBr. I am starting to get light headed. I am still very hyped for this remake. I would love to have it by Halloween!

#972 8 months ago
Quoted from drsfmd:

It will take a miracle to get a TAF remake. Raul Julia’s family won’t license his image. No Gomez, no TAF...

Patently false. Gomez's estate will license out his image for preexisting projects.

#973 8 months ago
Quoted from KozMckPinball:

My opinion is that PP/CGC will take a look at how the remakes are selling, how many, and project the acceptable volume to remakes that can make those numbers. I think they've already been doing that, but if they can make say 1000 or 1500 machines be profitable, then they could take a look at some pins that they may have overlooked. I think if 1000-1500 is the sweet spot, TAF and IJ are possible remakes. They were probably overlooked in he past because of big original run number of machines made.

#974 8 months ago
Quoted from drsfmd:

It will take a miracle to get a TAF remake. Raul Julia’s family won’t license his image. No Gomez, no TAF...

This was the word for a long time, but Pinball Arcade eventually got the Julia estate to come around. The ultimate issue was Christopher Lloyd and the Pugsley kid, not clear if they’d do it for more money, or if one/both have a non-monetary issue with use of their image that would make a deal impossible.

But maybe the original license was such that a physical pinball remake would still be covered even though digital required new likeness licensing. The fact that repro playfields are getting made suggests that could be the case.

#975 8 months ago
Quoted from pinballaddicted:

CGC are just unsure of the market as there were so many originals made and plenty are still around.

This may be their thought process but I never really got it. Sure there are lots of TAF and IJ around, but they still sell for a serious chunk of change, suggesting that demand is very high for them, since even a supply of 10k or whatever cannot keep prices below $6k. Wouldn’t you rather remake a game with demonstrated high demand where your 1,000 remakes will only increase supply by 10%, vs something like CC where pricing is very much a function of low supply and your remake will seriously inflate the supply side of the equation?

#976 8 months ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

This may be their thought process but I never really got it. Sure there are lots of TAF and IJ around, but they still sell for a serious chunk of change, suggesting that demand is very high for them, since even a supply of 10k or whatever cannot keep prices below $6k. Wouldn’t you rather remake a game with demonstrated high demand where your 1,000 remakes will only increase supply by 10%, vs something like CC where pricing is very much a function of low supply and your remake will seriously inflate the supply side of the equation?

I have found that people just don't realize (because they haven't played one) how fun CCC is. This title could be remade into something fantastic as a new title and could be one of the best remakes yet. Even though they won't use continued, they could really improve the code and toys. I am looking forward to seeing what they will come up with for this one.

#977 8 months ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

This may be their thought process but I never really got it. Sure there are lots of TAF and IJ around, but they still sell for a serious chunk of change, suggesting that demand is very high for them, since even a supply of 10k or whatever cannot keep prices below $6k. Wouldn’t you rather remake a game with demonstrated high demand where your 1,000 remakes will only increase supply by 10%, vs something like CC where pricing is very much a function of low supply and your remake will seriously inflate the supply side of the equation?

I agree with you. I hope that CGC remake TAF and I do believe that there is quite a large market for that machine world wide. I believe if CGC remade TAF this would be their biggest selling game, outselling MMr and AFMr. I feel that CCC is too risky for CGC and they are better off to remake more popular titles like TOTAN and TOM first.

#978 8 months ago
Quoted from whthrs166:

I have found that people just don't realize (because they haven't played one) how fun CCC is. This title could be remade into something fantastic as a new title and could be one of the best remakes yet. Even though they won't use continued, they could really improve the code and toys. I am looking forward to seeing what they will come up with for this one.

CCC is definitely a major improvement on CC, but I'm not convinced it'll ever be a hugely compelling game ... layout is so-so, art is so-so for its era (RFM, Champ Pub, Junk Yard all look better IMO), toys are fairly forgettable and the moulds aren't anything special. The theme is a generic Wild West one; it doesn't create its own little world in the way that AFM/RFM & MM did.

CC's main attraction or the high prices are due to it being WMS' last conventional and last WPC machine, the short run, and that very few were on location, so not many people got to play it.

Maybe they improve the toys, cut down the ridiculously intrusive apron pistols, and write some brilliant new rules ... but I don't think either CC or CCC show that much promise on their own.

#979 8 months ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

CCC is definitely a major improvement on CC, but I'm not convinced it'll ever be a hugely compelling game ... layout is so-so, art is so-so for its era (RFM, Champ Pub, Junk Yard all look better IMO), toys are fairly forgettable and the moulds aren't anything special. The theme is a generic Wild West one; it doesn't create its own little world in the way that AFM/RFM & MM did.
CC's main attraction or the high prices are due to it being WMS' last conventional and last WPC machine, the short run, and that very few were on location, so not many people got to play it.
Maybe they improve the toys, cut down the ridiculously intrusive apron pistols, and write some brilliant new rules ... but I don't think either CC or CCC show that much promise on their own.

Well it seems that CGC doesn't agree with you that the only reason people own a CC is because of it's value and rare numbers. Otherwise it would be an instant bust trying remake that game. Who would want that title at all if it sucked that bad. I guess we will see won't we.....

#980 8 months ago
Quoted from whthrs166:

I have found that people just don't realize (because they haven't played one) how fun CCC is. This title could be remade into something fantastic as a new title and could be one of the best remakes yet. Even though they won't use continued, they could really improve the code and toys. I am looking forward to seeing what they will come up with for this one.

I’ve enjoyed playing CC on Pinball Arcade. Could well be a solid seller as a remake, and enhanced code is always enticing, though this one’s tricky as it will of course be compared to CCC.

My point was that everyone has already played TAF and IJ and they’re still highly sought after, such that even their (relatively) huge production runs cannot depress their market value, which remain significantly above other great games with far fewer remaining examples. So they seem like safe bets to sell very well as a remake if CGC maintains their current price structure. I get why high end collectors might be more jazzed about rarer titles being remade, and likewise seasoned players that have already played the hell out of TAF and IJ. But I still think CGC would sell more of either of those titles than of CC or CV.

#981 8 months ago

Talks cheap where MBRM?

#982 8 months ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

This may be their thought process but I never really got it. Sure there are lots of TAF and IJ around, but they still sell for a serious chunk of change, suggesting that demand is very high for them, since even a supply of 10k or whatever cannot keep prices below $6k. Wouldn’t you rather remake a game with demonstrated high demand where your 1,000 remakes will only increase supply by 10%, vs something like CC where pricing is very much a function of low supply and your remake will seriously inflate the supply side of the equation?

You're bang on imo, so much so that I'm surprised that it's still not happened. TAF has been commanding serious money relative to other pins for quite a while now. Obviously the licensing makes it non-trivial, but it has been overcome in the past and it might even be the case that licensing for a physical pin is more straightforward if at the time the actors signed contracts consenting to perpetual usage. It's not as if Bally/Williams knew how successful it would be before it was made, and they even went on to make more of them (TAFG) once they realised, so I doubt there is a finite unit clause. I guess the devil is in the detail in terms of what IP got transferred to Scientific Games.

There would be a lot of people lining up to buy a mint one I think, particularly since I would imagine the list price would be less than some restorers demand for them.

#983 8 months ago

Prices in EU are fairly low for TAF. A good one is €3500-4000 now. Prices have declined in the US and UK too. Dunno about Australia.

It's a far cry from the kind of prices pre-remake that MM, AFM & MB commanded ... or CC for that matter, before prices began to decline due to the seeming surety of a remake.

Combine that with 20k units and a likely obscenely expensive license, and having to do a lot of work on code, dots and sound - all are way more basic than MM / AFM / MB / CC etc ... I don't see how the economics add up.

#984 8 months ago

Mystery over - it's MB (credit to flynnibus Atlantis on Pinball Info)

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#985 8 months ago
Quoted from Durzel:

Mystery over - it's MB (credit to Atlantis on Pinball Info)

Or you could have looked here yesterday...

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cgc-game-3-delayed/page/22#post-4506838

I mean.. you had the thread open in your browser

#986 8 months ago

Sorry, I missed that. I didn't realise I had been on that thread? It doesn't show in my topic activity?

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#987 7 months ago

Crazy that they announced it this way but denied the announcement at TPF. Seems silly to me.

#988 7 months ago
Quoted from Pinballlew:

Crazy that they announced it this way but denied the announcement at TPF. Seems silly to me.

They could avoid it since at the time of TPF nobody had uncovered the UL filing. Different story now. The cat's out of the bag.

#989 7 months ago

I hear the official announcement is coming Thursday with pics. Through the grape vine of course......

#990 7 months ago
Quoted from whthrs166:

I hear the official announcement is coming Thursday with pics. Through the grape vine of course......

Well...that's pinside I guess

#991 7 months ago
Quoted from whthrs166:

I hear the official announcement is coming Thursday with pics. Through the grape vine of course.....

Really ?

LTG : )

#992 7 months ago
Quoted from Goronic:

Well...that's pinside I guess

He is probably just making that up!

2 weeks later
#993 7 months ago
Quoted from whthrs166:

I hear the official announcement is coming Thursday with pics. Through the grape vine of course......

Quoted from pinballaddicted:

He is probably just making that up!

He didn't say which Thursday, now did he?

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