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No key for back box

By Brett-L

6 years ago

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#1 6 years ago

BE>

So I want to check the connections behind the back box for the pinball I just got. The guy who sold it to me said he couldn't find the key. I was thinking I could unscrew the two screws holding the lock in place, but I don't know what kind of bit that is. I've tried star tips, Allen's, every different tip I could find and I don't have it, whatever it is. I'm afraid to try a flat head and a hammer because of the proximity of the glass obviously, and if I have to drill I will, but figured I'd ask for some help in here first.

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#2 6 years ago

TER

SUPERBEE

Inactive member

Newmarket, ON

10y 74,650 3,469 6 6

Its called a security torx bit. Should be able to buy the bits a your local hardware store.

#3 6 years ago

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Brett-L

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Berlin, NJ

6y 34,900 163 1

Security torx bit.. thanks! The lock will come off if the screws come out, yes? Sorry I'm new lol

#4 6 years ago

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Westcb

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Maryville, TN

10y 34,650 18 16

Nope. Cam locks are threaded on from the backside. That metal plate will remain right where it’s at, the lock is on top of it.

#5 6 years ago

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SUPERBEE

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Newmarket, ON

10y 74,650 3,469 6 6

Quoted from Westcb:
Nope. Cam locks are threaded on from the backside. That metal plate will remain right where it’s at, the lock is on top of it.

Not always true. I have seen a few where your able to pivot out the lock mech after removing the bolts. Depends on how much play the slider has. Worth a try if you have the bit. If not, then drill away.

#6 6 years ago

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Brett-L

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Berlin, NJ

6y 34,900 163 1

Thanks guys. I may see if Home Depot has the bit. There is a decent amount of play in the glass. If I decide to drill it, since the lock is holding the back glass in place, once the lock is drilled through, will it still be intact enough to hold that glass in place still?

#7 6 years ago

JTC

Geddy2112

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Grand Island, NY

7y 60,300 321 4 2

Go to Harbor Freight for five bucks they have a whole bunch of security tips.... It's a kit

#8 6 years ago

N_W

Neal_W

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9y 99,550 3,442

The locks are not that hard to pick. Plenty of info on youtube.

#9 6 years ago

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Brett-L

Pinside member

Berlin, NJ

6y 34,900 163 1

I tried picking it, looked at a few videos, but I suck lol

#10 6 years ago

DJS

Turtle

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Allentown, PA

8y 58,650 443

Call on locksmith or buy a pick kit. I wouldn't risk drilling it out and putting all those metal shavings in the backbox.

#11 6 years ago

MIC

TheMickster

Mickspinball

Bartlett, IL

11y 83,550 915 9

Here you go, everyone should have this set....

https://www.amazon.com/SE-7519SD-33-Piece-Security-Extension/dp/B002E0S2SQ/ref=sr_1_6

#12 6 years ago

JTC

Geddy2112

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Grand Island, NY

7y 60,300 321 4 2

Yeah that's the kid I'm talking about Harbor Freight $5

#13 6 years ago

DAD

Astill

Pinballrom

Collingwood, ON

11y 74,300 822 18

remove the screws the lock wil lcome out , ive done many and never had an issue.

#14 6 years ago

HOW

hlaj78

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Monroe, MI

12y 69,650 2,148 11

Most times, the back box keys are hanging from a screw or hook on the inside of the coin door usually close to the coin mechs. The previous owner may not be aware that they were even there. Give that area a thorough inspection.

#15 6 years ago

WHP

waldo34

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Had to make the same trip to Ace hardware. Remove the screws the plate and lock come right out.

#16 6 years ago

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Brett-L

Pinside member

Berlin, NJ

6y 34,900 163 1

Anyone know which size torx bit for these screws? (T- whatever number) I had a few strips of bits from various tool kits laying around and tried every one I had but nothing fit.

#17 6 years ago

DAV

Davi

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OP
Quoted from Brett-L:
Anyone know which size torx bit for these screws? (T- whatever number) I had a few strips of bits from various tool kits laying around and tried every one I had but nothing fit.

T-20

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#18 6 years ago

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Brett-L

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Berlin, NJ

6y 34,900 163 1

Thanks!!!!

#19 6 years ago

PGH

Pbpins

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Pittsburgh, PA

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The whole plate, lock and all will come off once you get the screws out.

#20 6 years ago

COS

cosmokramer

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I did this last night, just use vice grips with a flat jaw and grab the torx and uncrew then ... the whole lock assembly will fall into your hand...takes 90 seconds

#21 6 years ago

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ForceFlow

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Quoted from Neal_W:
The locks are not that hard to pick. Plenty of info on youtube.

Picking a single-bitted lock isn't too difficult, however, this is a double-bitted lock, which is more difficult.

Quoted from Turtle:
Call on locksmith

That's too expensive.

Quoted from Turtle:
buy a pick kit.

To add to this--with these locks, you're not really "picking" per say. Pretty much just putting tension on the lock, then raking the pins. So you don't really need a big, expensive kit with a lot of picks. I really use only one or two picks in addition to a tension bar. The last pin is usually the most difficult to reach, since not all the picks are shaped to be able to reach it.

Quoted from Turtle:
I wouldn't risk drilling it out and putting all those metal shavings in the backbox.

You're drilling a lock which is on the outside of the backbox, not the inside. There's no risk of that happening. Just vacuum before you disassemble things.

#22 6 years ago

EWG

kermit24

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I have drilled many locks and its really quite uneventful...

#23 6 years ago

RVApinballer

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10y 57,800 912 8

You don't need to drill that. Really just go buy the bit or borrow one.

#24 6 years ago

WOT

Atari_Daze

Spd

Houston, TX

7y 141K 10,053 7

bump for update out of curiosity...

#25 6 years ago

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Brett-L

Pinside member

Berlin, NJ

6y 34,900 163 1

Once I found the right bit (my screws weren't T-20 bit they were T-15) the plate and lock came right out without any hassle whatsoever

4 months later

#26 5 years ago

CWF

CFoote

Pinside member

Hartford, CT

11y 31,400 116 10

No issues here using the proper Torx security bit to remove the backbox lock on my World Cup Soccer 94 (WCS 94). The lock popped right down after the bolts were removed. New one on order with 2 keys.

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