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that is not the preferred nomenclature, dude.
Lorenzo is a good honest guy to deal with, got my RFM from him a little while ago.
Quoted from misfitdart:I hope he makes a profit for a game that sucks, GLWS!!
That's not nice
Quoted from ek77:The three piside adds NIB one 6500 two make a offer
Ok thanks that's what I needed to know
Quoted from DCFAN:A NIB WOZ Standard with Invisiglass and shaker for $6500.
That is crazy.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/ad/14914
Not really... That was what they originally were priced at when Standards were announced.-Same goes for the LE. JJP just raised the prices when production was trickling to artificially inflate the values and take advantage of the shortage of games.-Similar to what typically happens when a new gaming system or iPhone is released in short supply. Now that they've caught up on production i think we'll start seeing the "real" prices again.
Quoted from 2manypins:Woz is a great game. Top ten right now and more code could push it top fice of all time.
Umm, it's not even in the top 20 according to this community and you're just as delusional if you think there will be more code to change the rules/game (quite possibly some bug fixes though.)
And $6500 with invisiglass and shaker ... oh how fast the price is declining on this game. Very telling. 
I'm not sure why JJP renewed the license. They seem a little too confident in the future sales of this title.
Quoted from MikeS:Not really... That was what they originally were priced at when Standards were announced.-Same goes for the LE. JJP just raised the prices when production was trickling to artificially inflate the values and take advantage of the shortage of games.-Similar to what typically happens when a new gaming system or iPhone is released in short supply. Now that they've caught up on production i think we'll start seeing the "real" prices again.
I'm not sure why I'm getting thumbs down for this. I think people lose sight of the road we've been down with JJP's pricing on WOZ. To sum it up:
So the ECLE is announced with an MSRP of $7500 with an introductory pre-order price of $6500. This then went to $7000 in July 2011 and was later increased to the $7500 MSRP for the remaining couple hundred LE's in Aug 2011.
WOZ standard was announced at an MSRP of $6500 with no indication that the price would ever be higher than that. Later, the price was increased to $7000, and then a year or so ago was seemingly raised to $8000 overnight. These adjustments in price were done when supply was low and wait times for games was excruciatingly long. Had production been on schedule and everything was delivered in a reasonable manner than I don't think we would have ever seen the price of the Standard go to $8000. I think the $8000 was just a price JJP came up with to make people waiting for the game feel better because their game was seemingly going up in value. This also allowed JJP to sell some games to people at a premium for $8K due to the shortened supply. Had their been no shortage/production delays I think the price of the standard would have held at $6500 or $7000 at most. With that being said $6500 w/ shaker and invisiglass is still cheaper than they have ever really been NIB. Here's a post for one NIB with Shaker/invisiglass and free delivery for $6800.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/last-few-days-to-purchase-an-upgraded-woz-standard-with-shaker-and-invisiglass
Quoted from MikeS:I'm not sure why I'm getting thumbs down for this. I think people lose sight of the road we've been down with JJP's pricing on WOZ. To sum it up:
So the ECLE is announced with an MSRP of $7500 with an introductory pre-order price of $6500. This then went to $7000 in July 2011 and was later increased to the $7500 MSRP for the remaining couple hundred LE's in Aug 2011.
WOZ standard was announced at an MSRP of $6500 with no indication that the price would ever be higher than that. Later, the price was increased to $7000, and then a year or so ago was seemingly raised to $8000 overnight. These adjustments in price were done when supply was low and wait times for games was excruciatingly long. Had production been on schedule and everything was delivered in a reasonable manner than I don't think we would have ever seen the price of the Standard go to $8000. I think the $8000 was just a price JJP came up with to make people waiting for the game feel better because their game was seemingly going up in value. This also allowed JJP to sell some games to people at a premium for $8K due to the shortened supply. Had their been no shortage/production delays I think the price of the standard would have held at $6500 or $7000 at most. With that being said $6500 w/ shaker and invisiglass is still cheaper than they have ever really been NIB. Here's a post for one NIB with Shaker/invisiglass and free delivery for $6800.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/last-few-days-to-purchase-an-upgraded-woz-standard-with-shaker-and-invisiglass
NIB is now $8000 without Invisiglass and shaker. This person is selling one for $6500 NIB with Invisiglass and shaker. That is a hell of a deal in today's pricing. It is not very relevant what JJP originally sold them for when every manufacturer has significantly raised their NIB prices since 2011.
Quoted from MikeS:I'm not sure why I'm getting thumbs down for this. I think people lose sight of the road we've been down with JJP's pricing on WOZ. To sum it up:
So the ECLE is announced with an MSRP of $7500 with an introductory pre-order price of $6500. This then went to $7000 in July 2011 and was later increased to the $7500 MSRP for the remaining couple hundred LE's in Aug 2011.
WOZ standard was announced at an MSRP of $6500 with no indication that the price would ever be higher than that. Later, the price was increased to $7000, and then a year or so ago was seemingly raised to $8000 overnight. These adjustments in price were done when supply was low and wait times for games was excruciatingly long. Had production been on schedule and everything was delivered in a reasonable manner than I don't think we would have ever seen the price of the Standard go to $8000. I think the $8000 was just a price JJP came up with to make people waiting for the game feel better because their game was seemingly going up in value. This also allowed JJP to sell some games to people at a premium for $8K due to the shortened supply. Had their been no shortage/production delays I think the price of the standard would have held at $6500 or $7000 at most. With that being said $6500 w/ shaker and invisiglass is still cheaper than they have ever really been NIB. Here's a post for one NIB with Shaker/invisiglass and free delivery for $6800.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/last-few-days-to-purchase-an-upgraded-woz-standard-with-shaker-and-invisiglass
You could be right on why the price of standard WOZ was raised to 8000. But I don't think JJP will lower the MSRP list price (even if they drop their price to distributors behind the scenes.) I think part of the reason they raised their price was simply because when they looked at the final BOM cost ... and factored in their current production rates and overhead (nevermind the costs incurred from troubleshooting and replacing light board issues) ... they really need to increase their margin (gross profit) per game to get back in the black in a shorter period of itme. I think they are still on very thin ice right now. Time will tell. Oh, and any time you dare to say something even remotely negative about JJP ... expect some thumbs down from the JJP pump crew.
Meanwhile ... free bump for Lorenzo.
Quoted from DCFAN:NIB is now $8000 without Invisiglass and shaker. This person is selling one for $6500 NIB with Invisiglass and shaker. That is a hell of a deal in today's pricing. It is not very relevant what JJP originally sold them for when every manufacturer has significantly raised their NIB prices since 2011.
The point I'm trying to make is that with JJP we have yet to see a market in which supply was able to keep up with demand. When demand is higher than supply the Company selling can charge a premium on the product being sold which is why there was an $8K price on the Standard. As of now JJP is still not caught up with demand as some buyers are still waiting on Standards and 75th models. When demand finally equals supply or becomes less than supply, only then will we see what the true price will be.
Imagine what would happen if Stern decided that instead of making all 600 TWDLE's in a period of a month, instead they were only going to build 10 a week for 60 weeks. I'm sure we'd see a lot of cases where distributors would sell them for $10K or more just because the supply was so low and demand was high. That doesn't necessarily mean that TWDLE is a $10K game. The distributor's are just taking advantage of the situation. That's why WOZ Standard isn't a $8K game. It's a $6.5K game in a balanced market.
Quoted from DCFAN:NIB is now $8000 without Invisiglass and shaker.
I'm sure they are currently flying off the shelves at that price. Sheesh. I don't have to read any further into the argument to see the basic logic is flawed. The price is what people are paying.
Quoted from John_I:I'm sure they are currently flying off the shelves at that price. Sheesh. I don't have to read any further into the argument to see the basic logic is flawed. The price is what people are paying.
It's not rocket science 
Yes jack is getting 8k for standard now. Yes they are still selling many people in this world not on pinside and not regular pinball collectors buying the game as its theme is timeless to many people not normally pinball people.
But I will say games made in the last month like the last 100 le games and 100 standard games would be the best ones to buy. There's no led issues, no sound board connector issues ect that's all be solved.
Quoted from Trekkie1978:Just curious, why would you buy a NIB game just to sell it right away?
Lebowski?
But it's pinball always something wrong. Got my le a month ago, drop target switch was looses and now coil bracket for drop target bracket is loose. Always something
Free bump, how do i buy the volume mod you have avail for WOZ? GLWS
Quoted from John_I:I'm sure they are currently flying off the shelves at that price. Sheesh. I don't have to read any further into the argument to see the basic logic is flawed. The price is what people are paying.
Really? Can you try not to argue in this guys sales thread? There are plenty of other threads ruined by WOZ bashing.
Quoted from arcadenerd925:Free bump, how do i buy the volume mod you have avail for WOZ? GLWS
eBay auction, my website, or pm me ur Paypal email and ill send u a invoice!!!
Quoted from MikeS:Imagine what would happen if Stern decided that instead of making all 600 TWDLE's in a period of a month, instead they were only going to build 10 a week for 60 weeks. I'm sure we'd see a lot of cases where distributors would sell them for $10K or more just because the supply was so low and demand was high. That doesn't necessarily mean that TWDLE is a $10K game. The distributor's are just taking advantage of the situation. That's why WOZ Standard isn't a $8K game. It's a $6.5K game in a balanced market.
i disagree.in your scenario you would have many early buyers of the le selling their incomplete coded machines for a potential profit and thus would cannibalize many future sales from sterns distros.
any distro trying to sell games for 10k in this situation would not be in business very long.
the le gimmick is almost cooked at this point, people are wising up finally.
Quoted from lllvjr:But it's pinball always something wrong. Got my le a month ago, drop target switch was looses and now coil bracket for drop target bracket is loose. Always something
Just got mine 2 weeks ago and I had a blown LED board on my 3rd game...bypassed it and all is good while waiting for a replacement, but it still makes me nervous.
Quoted from Pimp77:Just got mine 2 weeks ago and I had a blown LED board on my 3rd game...bypassed it and all is good while waiting for a replacement, but it still makes me nervous.
Quoted from lllvjr:But I will say games made in the last month like the last 100 le games and 100 standard games would be the best ones to buy. There's no led issues ....
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Really? Can you try not to argue in this guys sales thread? There are plenty of other threads ruined by WOZ bashing.
Get a grip dude. The seller even asked what the going rate is. But just in the one in a billion chance he actually was expecting to sell it for $8000, I will apologize. I'm sorry for pointing out that WOZ does not sell for MSRP, just like I have pointed out many times in the past that no Stern game has ever actually sold for MSRP. Sorry. Really. I am.
Quoted from DCfoodfreak:Two sold for 6k recently.
Were they NIB's? I have been considering sellingtrading +cash my Capcom Airborne for a WOZ...still on the fence though
I remember people getting nasty when I said I was waiting to buy when wozle dropped below $7000. Now they can be had all day long for that price with standards going for much less. Funny. I was told that would never happen.
Lorenzo I think you have a good game and it will eventually sell- do not give it away. The market for high end pins is sluggish due to many factors. MMR seemed to have started the high end market drain with speculation on more Williams re-runs then Stern announcing vault re-runs, then high end boutique games coming to market-lots going on currently. Collectors are taking a time-out and standing on the side lines. Let the dust settle and see what plays out. Also don't feed the price drop cheerleading trolls who constantly talk about pricing-who freaking cares. GLWS
Since I haven't posted a price ill go ahead and say I'm not looking for 8k that's just what jack is getting.
Quoted from DCfoodfreak:Two sold for 6k recently.
Quoted from burningman:Were they NIB's?
I'm not sure if mine is one of the ones Hwawonyu is talking about, but I paid $6k for a standard with less than 200 plays on it. It included a shaker plus a few other mods. It wasn't NIB, but it would have been tough to tell the difference. The only spot that had any sign of wear was the edge of the munchkin playfield.
Good luck with the sale, lllvjr.
Quoted from herg:I'm not sure if mine is one of the ones Hwawonyu is talking about, but I paid $6k for a standard with less than 200 plays on it. It included a shaker plus a few other mods. It wasn't NIB, but it would have been tough to tell the difference. The only spot that had any sign of wear was the edge of the munchkin playfield.
Good luck with the sale, lllvjr.
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