Herbert, ever since you changed your avatar, I find myself salivating whenever I see one of your posts. Besides the weird stimulus-response mechanism that is being developed, I now have to explain to my wife why I am drooling on my iPad.

Than you should be dancing. Original games will be more affordable. Your "serious" collection may become very grave indeed.

No brainer. That's a good description of many Pinsiders on certain topics.

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LOL

Woohoo! Are they offering government subsidies on these.

Poor folks are now able to afford a luxury pinball machine at $8000.00 plus shipping?

Sorry, I disagree. It seems that the people that are buying a MMR want one over an original because of condition. NIB > Routed for them. New is better than used. They want a pristine new playfield, versus one worn to the wood with a blown out Merlin hole. Makes perfect sense.

If all things were equal, with both machines being in the exact same condition, 20 years from now that factor is gone. Both technologies will be obsolete leaving somebody who is purely a collector. Original > Remakes when it comes to collecting. Comics, coins, stamps, toys, and ever other collectible over time has been worth more than a remake.

I'd always prefer the newer game. Mileage matters on pins just as it matters on cars. Boards, power supplies, wiring, coils...they all have a shelf life.

I'll take a new re-make any day.

I wonder how many "original" MMs are truly original and not new parts, new playfield, etc?

We were guessing in another thread that 1/3 of old pins are still around in any condition.

Not to mention that's assuming that this will be the one and only run of MMR's .. Whose to say over the next 17 years that they don't re-run it every 4-5 years as demand dictates.

PPS said that they will run as many as the market demands.....so expect many more than just the 2000 (MMrLE and MMr) being run now.

I don't think PPS is ever going to drop the price. You might see cheaper units out there as distributors start competing with each other when the channels fill up. Also, my guess is that PPS is not making anywhere near 50%, it's probably closer to 20%. From what I've heard they didn't think they'd fly out the door at $8K, and if that's true, they priced it about as competitively has they could.

However, I do think $8K was the sweet spot. $9K and I don't buy one. It happens when you sell a game, it can sit for weeks at $3,400, but drop it to $3,200 and you have 5 buyers. I don't think they left money on the table, I think they got really lucky (or are brilliant) and they found their sweet spot.

They have sold all they wanted to for $8,000. No reason to reduce price. The buyer will take the price hit at the time of sale as HUO.

Number one, you are just pulling that production cost number out of your bum. Secondly, why would they drop the price by 40% if their initial run sold out faster than any pin in history?

And who will really care 17 years from now? They both will be old ( and older).....pure collectibility ? Probably an huo or nib original ( if it even exists)...but to actually play? New is always better than old....sort of a no brainier....btw, I'm in for an MMR w gold through distributor .....I just want one to play....wish it was 6k, not 8, but whatever, I have time to save for it now.....( there went my AC/DC $$$$ though...hope I chose correctly).... mark

when you start seeing Routed AC/DC's that have 1000's of plays on them, dirty, worn, cabinets filthy. You will see 3 and 4k AC/DC's. or even less. Lets see how well it holds up in a coin op environment for the next 20 years and then compare.

Nothing like having a lockdown bar bracket black with gunk, because of soda running down the glass and all the other crap that pours down the glass built up.

Patiently waiting to see a MMR in person or read reviews before placing the order. It's as simple as that. The prices will adjust after it starts shipping. Hope the new MM turns out awesome!

Wow just found this post on an old thread it was posted over 1 month before the remake was announced.
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-mm-as-an-example/page/5#post-1207806

Mine is original and fantastic.

If PPS keeps rerunning MM and hypothetically they drop the price to $6500 later, it will create a problem for them.
I would assume at some point they will rerun CC AFM ect why would anyone jump in to pay 8k for any other game they repo when you could sit back and wait for the price to drop again?

I'm not buying an MM anytime soon. I've never been a fan of the game and I know enough people with them to play one anytime I get the urge. But, if I were buying one, I'd want an original.

No matter which hobby, I prefer the original if I have ANY nostalgia for the item. That's just how I am... What's more disappointing is that remakes are going to kill one of my favorite parts of pinball: The hunt!

That prediction was so dead on that you would almost have to think they had some kind of insider knowledge.

...and that will be a beautiful thing! I don't want to see people lose money on their pinball "investment", but things lately have gotten, ummm, excessive. Yes, buying a pin in Canada is more expensive than in the states, but this week Ive seen an 8k ask for TZ and TOTAN. So, Ill say GLWS, but as far as Im concerned, that is excessive and if remakes help bring the market down, then bring them on!!!

This poll alone just decreased the value of the original MM by about $1K.

Oh yeah well...

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Mine is also real an spectacular, but much less curvy than that.

In am EM thread there was discussion of some "holy grail" EMs like Mermaid or Gemini - games that sell in the $10K-$20K range.

How much would people pay for repros of those games? The same as MMr?

I get both sides of the discussion. If they are at the same price point I would likely prefer a new one. However, there is something to be said about owning a near 20 year old machine that is playing and looking great. I'd be hard pressed to sell my AFM to buy the remake if and when that happens. I don't know I can attribute that to nostalgia I guess. I'm sure the new one would be better in many ways but it wouldn't have that same nostalgia presence that the original carries with it. I could care less about value or perceived value debate. I'm into pinball as a hobby not as an investment strategy.

Doubtful. Those are more like antiques with a very specific type of collector...the reason people want MM is because of the gameplay. More people have memories of it being played, it's still out there being played on location, and it's being played on the Pinball Arcade app. Old EM's don't have that kind of current following or exposure.

My friends who know nothing about pinball always gravitate towards MM and it ends up being their favorite game in my lineup every time.

At this point MM original has more appeal as hard to know for sure when MMr will actually be shipped and how well they will play. However, I do understand those who see it the other way as well.

A year and a half later, the song remains the same.

Drain...

I think the first ones are due to ship pretty soon...

voted for the remake as that's the best option in this poll, but still chose to go for a superb restored original with mods less than a month ago.

I play the crap out of it, know how to fix it, and have it right now. Who knows what ll happen to prices but like others a 20 year old machine just has "something" ..maybe even just that used machine smell makes it original .